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Offline Charlemagne

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« on: July 29, 2013, 11:05:46 AM »
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  • This is another reason no Pope - or Francis, for that matter - should ever speak "off the cuff."

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    Is Francis the Most Liberal Pope Ever?

    Pope Francis has railed against economic injustice while staying mostly mum about abortion and gαy marriage. Many conservative Catholics are not pleased.

    Pope Francis, flying back to Italy after his trip to Brazil, was asked by reporters about a Vatican monsignor who had been accused of having a same-sex relationship while living in Latin America.

    "If someone is gαy and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis answered.

    Suggesting that gαy people should be forgiven for their actions won't exactly win Francis a GLAAD award. But it's certainly an olive branch to the gαy community, especially considering the docuмent signed by Francis' predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, that said people with deep-rooted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies should not be allowed to be priests.

    Pope Francis' Brazil trip did plenty more to give hope to religious liberals, too, as he stressed that the wealthy should do more to reduce income inequality and said that the Catholic Church was "perhaps too cold, too caught up with itself, perhaps a prisoner of its own rigid formulas."

    Before his week-long trip to Brazil for "World Youth Day," Francis had already raised the ire of Catholic traditionalists by washing the feet of a Serbian Muslim woman and saying that God redeems "even the atheists."

    In May, he told a crowd at St. Peter's Square in Vatican City, "I think about those who are unemployed often because of an economic conception of society that seeks egoistic profit regardless of social justice" — a statement that union official Damon Silvers said was "very similar to our message at the AFL-CIO."

    These incidents, as well as Francis' relative silence when it comes to condemning abortion, gαy marriage, and birth control, haven't pleased traditionalists in the Catholic Church.

    "This is already true of the right wing of the church," Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia told the National Catholic Reporter. "They generally have not been really happy about his election, from what I've been able to read and to understand."

    The editorial board of The Independent wonders if the pope is really looking to shift the Church's "attitude to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, to women priests, to contraception, abortion, stem cell research — all those toxic issues that no pontiff until now has dared to confront." That's unlikely though, the paper notes, as the conservative College of Cardinals chose Francis to become pope in the first place, suggesting he's hardly a liberal.

    Conservative blogger John Zuhlsdorf, a.k.a. Father Z, questions whether liberals really ought to be so happy about the pope's seemingly progressive bent, noting that "by projecting a compassionate image, he will simultaneously make it harder for them to criticize him when he reaffirms the doctrinal points they want him to overturn."

    Ultimately, hoping for a complete turnaround on hot-button social issues might be too much for progressives to ask for. That doesn't mean, however, that liberals should dismiss Francis, Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress, tells TPM.

    "As a progressive I think the pope kinda rocks," says Tanden. "The fact that he's been so aggressive on social justice is something all progressives should welcome."

    SOURCE: http://news.yahoo.com/francis-most-liberal-pope-ever-112600279.html

    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2013, 11:34:27 AM »
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  • I bet you all that Cardinal Sodano will organise a rebellion against francis and depose him for heresy. Francis will summon a council to himself to discuss women deacons and priests. At this point the Cardinals who are trad novus ordos will rebel and frank will be no more.  
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    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2013, 11:54:14 AM »
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  • Catholics cannot look to this guy as a shepherd.

    The post-Vatican II church is overly rigid in it's formulas?  Yes, it's gone hardcore conciliarist but this is just crazy for Pope Francis to say that.

    Catholics cannot look to the bishops of the novus ordo structure because they are not shepherds of souls.  


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    « Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 02:22:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Yahoo News

    Conservative blogger John Zuhlsdorf, a.k.a. Father Z, questions whether liberals really ought to be so happy about the pope's seemingly progressive bent, noting that "by projecting a compassionate image, he will simultaneously make it harder for them to criticize him when he reaffirms the doctrinal points they want him to overturn."


    I wonder what Fr. Z "the conservative" has been smoking? Francis is already turning just about everything on its head. It's only going to get worse, but I don't think the "conservative" cardinals are going to do anything about it, either.
    "Let us thank God for having called us to His holy faith. It is a great gift, and the number of those who thank God for it is small."
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    « Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 02:25:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: MiserereMeiDeus
    Quote from: Yahoo News

    Conservative blogger John Zuhlsdorf, a.k.a. Father Z, questions whether liberals really ought to be so happy about the pope's seemingly progressive bent, noting that "by projecting a compassionate image, he will simultaneously make it harder for them to criticize him when he reaffirms the doctrinal points they want him to overturn."


    I wonder what Fr. Z "the conservative" has been smoking? Francis is already turning just about everything on its head. It's only going to get worse, but I don't think the "conservative" cardinals are going to do anything about it, either.


    I mean, I know I should be praying for Frances' conversion and believing that my prayers will be answered and all that, but it really seems like an exercise in futility. Sigh.
    "Let us thank God for having called us to His holy faith. It is a great gift, and the number of those who thank God for it is small."
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    « Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 02:27:12 PM »
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  • I do pray for his conversion, but I haven't been able to figure out how to convince myself that I'm not wasting my time when I do it. Mea culpa, no doubt.
    "Let us thank God for having called us to His holy faith. It is a great gift, and the number of those who thank God for it is small."
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    « Reply #6 on: August 08, 2013, 02:39:15 PM »
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  • Invoke St. Jude.  Isn't he the patron saint of lost causes?