Author Topic: Mortal Sin (Read 6935 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:05:36 PM »

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"That's Novus Ordo garbage."
But they've never been in the Novus Ordo. They were raised as a traditional Catholic.

They aren't legit trads then. If there are trad priests telling people they haven't committed mortal sins then those trad priests are crypto-modernists.

As I said before, the same garbage is used to justify bogus annulments today.

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Tele, that sounds even more wrong than the definition I read from the Catechism. I think the Catechism purposefully says "full consent of the will"

Do you think you're not giving full consent of the will when you do something? That seems very, very presumptuous to me. In dreams perhaps, under the influence of intoxicants, or under extreme duress perhaps. In the course of ordinary events? No.

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and "sufficient reflection" for a reason. If it had just said "consent of the will" and "reflection", I would agree with you completely, but it doesn't say that.

Sufficient reflection means just that "sufficient." As in - "that's gravely wrong, I shouldn't do it"

An act on the spur of the moment, like a blasphemy one utters without intending it - a person hasn't sufficiently reflected.

Punching someone immediately in a moment of rage without having planned to?

That's not sufficient reflection,

etc.

Alex117 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:15:08 PM »

Perhaps you're right on all of your points (except for calling my friend a fake trad), as I don't have any sufficient arguments to give you in return. If you don't mind me saying though, I would still like to hear what others have to say about this subject, because my mind still doesn't feel like it has a solid grasp on mortal sin yet. Thanks for your input though, Tele.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:17:29 PM »

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Perhaps you're right on all of your points (except for calling my friend a fake trad), as I don't have any sufficient arguments to give you in return. If you don't mind me saying though, I would still like to hear what others have to say about this subject, because my mind still doesn't feel like it has a solid grasp on mortal sin yet. Thanks for your input though, Tele.

If SSPX priests are telling people that they don't commit mortal sins because they never really give full consent of the will or think over the matter properly then they're defecting to modernism.

Koch Preuss Moral Theology

Philomene Marie · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:18:06 PM »

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but one of my friend's said that they've never committed a mortal sin once

That's Novus Ordo garbage.

If you do something willingly you know is mortally wrong, that's full consent of the will and sufficient reflection.

They try the same garbage with marriages. They suggest that people today really didn't mean their vows if they don't want to keep them.

It's modernist sophistry.

Um exucuse me Telesphorus, but I was the friend who said that, and yes I can proudly say that I've never committed a mortal sin. It is possible to be under the age of 20 and have avoided enough occasions of sin to where you haven't committed a mortal sin. I'm sorry you might not be as fortunate.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:21:03 PM »

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Um exucuse me Telesphorus but I was the friend who said that, and yes I can proudly say that I've never committed a mortal sin.

Do you mean you've never committed an act that was gravely sinful objectively? Or do you believe you didn't have subjective culpability for it?

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It is possible to be under the age of 20 and have avoided enough occasions of sin to where you haven't committed a mortal sin. I'm sorry you might not be as fortunate.

Yes, I'm sorry too I haven't been as fortunate, but I assumed that Alex meant the person was free of it because of "full consent of the will" and "sufficient reflection" being lacking, not the absence of grave matter.