Author Topic: Moon/ Earth/ Sun Relationship. (Read 977 times)

roscoe · « **on:** March 24, 2008, 01:41:58 AM »

IMO the Moon revolves around Earth and the Earth revolves around then Sun. L. Pastor's confusing of the terms rotation and revolution in v29 of his History(Galileo's 2nd indictment) is unnerving. Ciao

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2008, 01:43:14 AM »

I put emphasis on "IMO." :reading:

roscoe · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2008, 02:20:16 AM »

Should of course read the Sun--possibly KP could be more specific on his thoughts--do you believe that the Earth revolves around the Moon?

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2008, 02:31:22 AM »

No, I am an adherent of geocentrism/geostatism, although I know it is not de fide definita dogma.

roscoe · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2008, 12:26:51 PM »

According to Pope Greg XIII, the Earth revolves around the Sun. The idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun has been incorperated into the function of the Gregorian Calendar of the Roman Church. See Pastor vol's 19 and 25 for a complete explanation of this dilema.

As this is a matter of natural science, it is not a dogmatic article of faith in a spiritual sense. It is however a decision of the Roman Pontiff and it would probably be a good idea for Catholics to conform to his Authority. Ciao

Adesto · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2008, 02:12:08 PM »

I'm with Roscoe on that one.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2008, 06:00:06 PM »

The last decree concerning the issue, though, roscoe, was in favor of geocentrism. It would not seriously matter to the Holy See now for there to be a decree on the issue again, of course. Both the heliocentric and geocentric (Tycho Brahe) models have everything in the same position, except with slightly different orbits of the Earth and Sun in relation to each other. So the Gregorian calendar could still work with the geocentric model. You could very much use anything else as a reference point like the planet Jupiter placed as the center and do calculations according to it. Again, this is not all de fide definita dogma, but theologically the Earth is the center of the universe at least anyway.

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** March 26, 2008, 12:06:35 AM »

It is not accurate to say that the last decree(1633) was in favor of geocentrism. The fact is that the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun is used in the calculation of the Gregorian calendar: see L. Pastor v's 19 and 25 online(there are about 20 pages in each vol that are relevant). If the decree of 1633 were in favor of geo-centrism, the Gregorian calendar would have to be given up.

roscoe · « **Reply #8 on:** March 26, 2008, 12:22:08 AM »

It is probably more accurate to say that the decree of 1633 was not oppossed to helio or geo- centrism. It has to be remembered also that thitherto, no scientific proof that Earth rev around Sun had been discovered.

IMO the 1633 condemnation of Galileo in astronomical terms is only symbolic as Galileo's actual heretical crimes lie in the area of his major occupation in life--physics.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #9 on:** March 26, 2008, 12:38:58 AM »

In a geocentric system, a shifting of the angle of the orbit of the sun would account for the course of the year I imagine. So, it could work still with the geocentric system. Geocentrism was still regarded considerably in the early 1600s, roscoe. Heliocentrism was not necessarily accepted by all at that time. Later on though, there came the acentrism of today where the universe has no center, although heliocentrism would be applied by scientists today to the solar system and Earth.

roscoe · « **Reply #10 on:** March 26, 2008, 01:41:14 AM »

Until Newton and Bradley provided the scientific proof, the conception of the solar system was speculation.

Acentrism--that is the word I have been looking for to describe how it is irrelevant( in a spiritual sense) to worry about where is the physical center of universe.

An example would be the Iconoclastic schism w/ the East at the time of St. Greg II. The Revolution( no pun intended) would have occured regardless of the physical location of the Communist schismatics. Ciao