Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Monarchy  (Read 496 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ChristusRex1571

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 13
  • Reputation: +5/-1
  • Gender: Male
Monarchy
« on: March 20, 2020, 08:47:50 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • What percent of traditionalists would you say are monarchists? How about geocentrists? I would have thought most, especially regarding the former, but this sadly does not seem to be the case


    Offline josefamenendez

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4421
    • Reputation: +2946/-199
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Monarchy
    « Reply #1 on: March 20, 2020, 09:04:50 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I am- I may be a little farther than a geocentrist, not sure ( but we won't go there)


    Offline Iacobi I

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 28
    • Reputation: +9/-9
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Monarchy
    « Reply #2 on: March 20, 2020, 09:10:16 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • What percent of traditionalists would you say are monarchists? How about geocentrists? I would have thought most, especially regarding the former, but this sadly does not seem to be the case
    I would respond to the question by saying that True Catholics hold that the State is not an independent body that can regulate the Church and treat it as though it is "one of the many." The State actually derives its own authority from Christ and therefore can never contradict his law.
    It is true that Monarchy is more in line with this mode and way of thinking, however, it is not so much the aim of a traditionalist (in my view) to go about trying to reinstate a Catholic Monarch -it would be impossible with Francis anyway since he would never crown a Monarch considering that he does not wear his own crown or acknowledge his temporal authority.
    Once True Catholic principles are restored and the world is once again converted to Christ the King it will be easier to discuss changing the political system. For now, the goal would be to convert as many Novos Ordos as possible.

    Offline Mithrandylan

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4452
    • Reputation: +5061/-436
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Monarchy
    « Reply #3 on: March 20, 2020, 09:58:53 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • What percent of traditionalists would you say are monarchists? How about geocentrists? I would have thought most, especially regarding the former, but this sadly does not seem to be the case
    .
    I have to imagine it depends a lot on how you define it.  I think few traditionalists are actively trying to restore any of the dynastic lines.  I think most traditionalists are sympathetic to monarchy as the preferred form of government, though.
    .
    Sometimes I find that traditionalists confuse anti-republicanism with monarchism.  I've run into a few-- don't know how it abstracts into a global percentage-- whose 'monarchism' is really just the rejection of republicanism but in terms of an actual governmental reform to replace republicanism, they haven't thought any further than what amounts more to a dictatorship. 
    .
    Think of Henry VIII's England.  That's called a monarchy, but really, it was a (bad) dictatorship.  Henry consolidated an unprecedented amount of power into his own hands (and I don't just mean the spiritual jurisdiction he presumed to usurp).  His whim was law.  Henry's monarchy didn't at all work the same way that the earlier monarchies had worked, as those earlier monarchies did not centralize power on the king.  In fact, depending on the monarchy, the king's power was relatively little compared to the power that lower lords had over their lands.  I think that (more decentralized) monarchy is the most ideal model, as it much better accounts for the needs of the kingdom-- which are going to vary by different areas and cultures.  To effectively govern, rulers have to be close to the people so that they understand their needs, their economies, their concerns, etc.  A King who directly rules over a large country simply does not and cannot have that proximity, and as a result his subjects are dehumanized into a source of tax and conscription (which is precisely what happened in Anglican England).  This need for proximity was understood quite well by early medieval Europe, and they organized their societies accordingly.  I think that republicanism can simulate that kind of early feudalism, but only if it remains very local.  Which, as we know, it hasn't.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

    Offline ChristusRex1571

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 13
    • Reputation: +5/-1
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Monarchy
    « Reply #4 on: March 20, 2020, 10:12:49 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I would agree that converting Novus Ordos is the priority. But issues like these, monarchy and geocentrism, can also bring people into the faith. The monarchy and the Church were mutually supporting. The two heads of the double eagle. I don't think it is too surprising that the decline of monarchy and the Church went hand in hand. At one time, when one or the other went off track, the other could step in. For instance, the Emperor had right of veto and thus prevented Rampolla from being elected Pope and we got Pius X instead. I think that the system we have now could not be much worse. We have a republic run by oligarchs while the people believe we have a democracy and the not so elite elites exploit this. With monarchy or dictatorship we know who is responsible but the current oligarchs manipulate behind the scenes. The politicians themselves are not necessarily the ones with real power


    Offline SimpleMan

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4382
    • Reputation: +1628/-194
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Monarchy
    « Reply #5 on: March 20, 2020, 12:15:48 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I am a monarchist.  I am not a geocentrist.