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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Modest Swimdresses
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2019, 12:44:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 19, 2019, 12:25:44 PM
    Yes, mixed-gender swimming usually is an occasion of sin, but what if EVERYONE wore the very modest swimsuits as in the OP's link?  In that case, probably not.

    But there's another consideration besides the occasion sin.  Even if someone has attained a significant degree of purity, it's still wrong IMO to take part in such a culture of immodesty.  Even if I were fully clothed and were entirely safe from occasions of sin, I still would not want to go to a beach or a pool party where everyone was running around immodestly.  There's just something incongruous about a Catholic being in such a place.

    So, for instance, most saints held dancing to be an occasion of sin.  Yet, even if I did not actively participate, and there were no occasion of sin for me personally, I would not want to even be present at a dance (especially modern dances) because of the aversion we have to it given our Catholic sensitivities.

    Of course, there could also be the possibility of scandal with your presence as well if it gives someone the impression that you condone that sort of environment.
    Where does one draw the line then?  Isn't immodesty all around us?
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #16 on: June 19, 2019, 02:13:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 19, 2019, 12:44:08 PM
    Where does one draw the line then?  Isn't immodesty all around us?

    Isn't the line here obvious?  I walk around a grocery store where there happen to be a few women wearing shorts or tight shirts, vs. I walk around a beach where nearly 100% of the people there are gravely immodest.  In addition, going to buy groceries is a necessary activity, and it would not cause scandal for people to know that you were there, even if some present happened to be immodest.
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #17 on: June 19, 2019, 04:13:30 PM »
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    • I will still be nursing this summer but I would like to try something like these in future. 
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #18 on: June 19, 2019, 06:11:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 19, 2019, 02:13:25 PM
    Isn't the line here obvious?  I walk around a grocery store where there happen to be a few women wearing shorts or tight shirts, vs. I walk around a beach where nearly 100% of the people there are gravely immodest.  In addition, going to buy groceries is a necessary activity, and it would not cause scandal for people to know that you were there, even if some present happened to be immodest.
    I wonder how Our Lady handled the immodesty in Egypt when daily she had to go to the well etc. ::)
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #19 on: June 20, 2019, 12:04:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: AMDGJMJ on June 18, 2019, 04:14:42 PM
    If anyone is looking for modest swimwear this site has their Swimdresses at up to 70% off right now.  True, it is based out of Israel, but it is hard to compare with the quality of them.  I have used them for years.

    http://seasecret.biz/one-piece-bathing-suits
    This is where my wife has bought the bathing suits for our girls for years now https://hydrochic.com/
    Very good quality, after use, if you wash them and air dry them or partially dry them in the dryer, they will last for years. My wife unfortunately does not listen to my advice, she cooks them in the dryer, nevertheless, they last for two to three girls as they grow up.

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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #20 on: June 20, 2019, 12:15:51 PM »
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    • There's two parts to modesty in the beach your own and those around you. You can't control those around you at the places where you go swimming, so it is just as important to avoid places where other people go, since they are all basically naked. For example, if you have a boat go out during the week or go to a sandbar where you are the only one. If on land go to a stream where no one goes. We go to those places and to beaches where few people go, and we set ourselves up far from others. If you take your glasses off you won't see those people far from you. As a man, I have no problem seeing the average women you see on the beach, older out of shape women, they are more of a sin against charity (scary sights!), though like I said I avoid places where there are people. If we are in a spot by ourselves, I don't have glasses on, and a young good looking naked girl ( girls in bikinis are naked) sets up next to us, I pack up the troops and move away or altogether leave the place.
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #21 on: June 20, 2019, 01:07:34 PM »
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    • "I have no problem seeing the average women you see on the beach, older out of shape women, they are more of a sin against charity (scary sights!),"

    As I said in my post.......whale watching.  :D The things you see when you dont have a harpoon. ;)

    "Admiral, there be whales here!" Scotty, Star Trek IV TVH

    or as a shark might say on the 4th of July with the requisite sunbathers....

    "Once more unto the beach, dear fins, once more, to feast upon the spiritually dead!"

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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #22 on: June 20, 2019, 02:13:53 PM »
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    • It's a shame that most Trad women wouldn't wear any of those suits.  They are very feminine and attractive.
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #23 on: June 20, 2019, 04:42:32 PM »
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    • Yes, and it's important EVEN IF you happen to be unsightly, or a man, to dress modestly.  It's also about maintaining an overall modest mindset and upholding the dignity due to temples of the Holy Spirit.
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #24 on: June 20, 2019, 09:42:22 PM »
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #25 on: June 20, 2019, 09:53:24 PM »
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #26 on: June 20, 2019, 10:57:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 19, 2019, 02:13:25 PM
    Isn't the line here obvious?  I walk around a grocery store where there happen to be a few women wearing shorts or tight shirts, vs. I walk around a beach where nearly 100% of the people there are gravely immodest.  In addition, going to buy groceries is a necessary activity, and it would not cause scandal for people to know that you were there, even if some present happened to be immodest.

    Yes, let's get into some Catholic doctrine.

    Has anyone brought up the phrase yet, "Unnecessary occasion of sin"?

    A beach is an unnecessary occasion of sin. A grocery shop is a NECESSARY occasion of sin. We have to eat in order to live. We do not need to sunbathe or swim in order to live.

    See the difference?

    The actual danger, or occasion of sin, could be the same. Heck, it could be WORSE at the grocery store in certain circuмstances (30 young, attractive women in shorts and immodest clothes at the grocery store vs. only 5 near-naked women a good distance away at the beach on a given Monday late morning) but it doesn't change one's clear, rational, Catholic judgment on the matter.

    It's all a question of: is it necessary or not to be there?
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #27 on: June 20, 2019, 11:07:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 19, 2019, 10:27:51 AM
    The problem women have is that God created them to want to make a "fashion statement" with every clothing situation.  It's not possible to be fashionable while swimming.  If you want to swim, you can be fashionable/immodest or frumpy/modest.  We're not fish; swimming is a luxury.
    Big important point you brought up there. Generally speaking, women want to be photogenic, look good, appeal to their natural vanity in every situation. Why can't they just focus on the social aspect of swimming as a family? Usually it is a chance to relax, talk, be with your family/kids, etc. Women should be happy with that alone.
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #28 on: June 21, 2019, 08:59:23 AM »
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    • With respect to the grocery store situation, many Walmarts in the US appear to be just as bad as a beach (or worse) when it comes to immodesty and sheer travesty.

    The advantage of living in a cold climate is that the immodesty window is relatively small. 6-8 months where there can be is and usually is snow on the ground does play a role. 
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    Re: Modest Swimdresses
    « Reply #29 on: June 21, 2019, 09:38:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 18, 2019, 07:04:36 PM
    I think trad women need to mature beyond adolescent recreations, and finally realize swimming isn't important.

    Good grief, the big deal some women make about being on the beach or at the pool boggles the mind.

    You would think Francis could almost write his next encyclical on the theology of the beach.

    Get over it, already.

    Swimming is for babies and the navy.

    One good reason to stay modest should be the thought of our deathbed hour, and the demons that will inevitably turn up to accuse us of all sorts of things.    I like the modest swimwear designs though, and bought a set a few years ago.  Perhaps the stressed out Traditional Catholic women make a big deal over the beach due to the negative ions?    


    Interesting info:

    The Benefits of Negative Ions at the Beach



    Negative ions, a name given to a small molecule that’s gained a negative electrical charge, are found in extremely high concentrations near the ocean. These molecules are microscopic and can not only pass through our skin cells but also through our lungs via the air we breathe.



    For nearly 100 years, researchers have explored the benefits of negative ions – a phenomenon that occurs naturally in nature. Ions are formed when an atom gains or loses an electrical charge. Typically, negative ions are formed through natural means such as rain, wind, or sunlight causing an atom to break apart. As you could image, forests, beaches, waterfalls, rivers, and just about any area out in nature will contain high concentrations of negative ions in the air.



    The beach, in particular, can have as much as 2000 negative ions per cubic centimeter as opposed to a crowded city that may have less than 100.



    Studies have shown that negative ions possess not only an anti-microbial effect but also a mood-stabilizing one. Research seems to indicate that negative ions can influence serotonin levels in your brain. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that may have role in mood disorders ranging from depression to seasonal affective disorder.



    * source:  https://www.ionloop.com/blog/the-power-of-negative-ions-the-beach/ (WARNING:  disgusting, leaping bikini clad entity photo on page.)



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