Author Topic: modern Ireland (Read 1367 times)

OldMerry · « **on:** November 15, 2014, 02:50:33 PM »

:reading: Does anyone know of a recent book about the history of Ireland, especially covering the post-famine era ... particularly the Easter Uprising to the present day. Must be the conservative/Catholic view, of a style interesting for trad. high schoolers. Many thanks and God bless you all.

cassini · « **Reply #1 on:** November 16, 2014, 01:37:16 PM »

I will make some enquires Merry, back in a day or two.

OldMerry · « **Reply #2 on:** November 16, 2014, 11:15:27 PM »

Thank you so much. Looking for something, if possible, fairly inexpensive and brief; readable from between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

cassini · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2014, 01:34:17 PM »

Merry, I have been in touch with a librarian who specialises in the 16th century history of Ireland. He is rersearching books on post-1845 and 1852 famine books for us. Will be back to you when he rings me.

In the meantime have you read republished Fr Augustine's IRELAND'S LOYALTY TO THE MASS? (1933) It covers the period 1500 to 1869. My wife said it gives a vivid picture of what the Irish suffered to keep the Mass. Perhaps the most poignant remark of the author was that whereas he visited the most marvellous churches and cathedrals all over Europe, Ireland's were the mass rocks.

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2014, 02:54:16 PM »

For however long whatever there was of "Irish Catholicity" lasted, it's dead (save for a tiny Traditionalist population) and has been so for a very long time.

Several reasons for that demise are explained in this piece from Christian Order in 2003.

It's not overlong but if you're short on time, go right to "Cultural Cringe" and "Pluralist Sophistry," midway through.

Deeply discouraging but I'm afraid it's a compelling analysis.

http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2003/features_dec03_bonus_1.html

OldMerry · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2014, 07:56:43 PM »

This discussion is most interesting. The Isle of Saints and Scholars is no more - at least for now. When in Ireland it reminded me of Quebec - both formerly thoroughly Catholic, but now post-Vat II and in the age of revolution, seemingly anxious and quick to throw off the Catholic past, the Catholic stigma. Now, embarrassed about it. And even to the point of derision, Christ-hating. More than just irreligious. I had read that part of Ireland's problem was that St. Patrick had inculcated upon the Irish the importance of being under the Pope, of following the Pope. This led to the kind of obedience - maybe a certain blind or fanatical following - that puts them where they are now, in this age of unworthy Popes (in part, anyway), When visiting there, the trads, though edifying, were a minority indeed. And persecuted by their fellow novus ordo or now-pagan Irish. The world rather expected the Irish to lead and be in the vanguard of resistance against the revolution in the Church - against modernism. But, not so. Perhaps a case of, the corruption of the best is the worst.

OldMerry · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2014, 08:38:32 PM »

Dear Cassini - You are too kind with all your work to help. Way over and above! I want to tell you that I have been informed that a decision was made. The book found and chosen is The Enduring Gael Our Irish Heritage by Fr. Robert Dougherty. I have not read it but was informed that it wasn't too bad a book on the subject of modern Ireland - or, "What's become of Ireland since the famine..." (so to speak). And this is what the instructor was looking for. Nevertheless, do share what your contact finds. It may well be of use for others, or at another time. God bless you. Thanks, too, to Anthony Benedict. I passed on the article to the instructor. A sobering, serious examination of that saddest of things - the loss of Faith. Especially in Ireland - a people formerly so proud of their Faith, never having held a heresy ... until Modernism knocked them silly.

cassini · « **Reply #7 on:** November 21, 2014, 02:29:31 PM »

Here is an actual recording of the Catholic knowledge children of Ireland had at a very young age. This recording, in a Dublin school, is from the 1950s before Vatican II. Today they come out knowing NOTHING of the Bible or catechism:

Enjoy the innocence of Irish children:

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #8 on:** November 26, 2014, 05:38:46 PM »

Remember the Mass rocks!