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Offline jman123

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Mirari Vos
« on: July 28, 2012, 08:54:22 AM »
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  • How could this be reconciled with our Bill of Rights here in the US?  

       This quote is from Mirari Vos.
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    15. Here We must include that harmful and never sufficiently denounced freedom to publish any writings whatever and disseminate them to the people, which some dare to demand and promote with so great a clamor. We are horrified to see what monstrous doctrines and prodigious errors are disseminated far and wide in countless books, pamphlets, and other writings which, though small in weight, are very great in malice. We are in tears at the abuse which proceeds from them over the face of the earth. Some are so carried away that they contentiously assert that the flock of errors arising from them is sufficiently compensated by the publication of some book which defends religion and truth. Every law condemns deliberately doing evil simply because there is some hope that good may result. Is there any sane man who would say poison ought to be distributed, sold publicly, stored, and even drunk because some antidote is available and those who use it may be snatched from death again and again?

    16. The Church has always taken action to destroy the plague of bad books. This was true even in apostolic times for we read that the apostles themselves burned a large number of books.[23] It may be enough to consult the laws of the fifth Council of the Lateran on this matter and the Constitution which Leo X published afterwards lest "that which has been discovered advantageous for the increase of the faith and the spread of useful arts be converted to the contrary use and work harm for the salvation of the faithful."[24] This also was of great concern to the fathers of Trent, who applied a remedy against this great evil by publishing that wholesome decree concerning the Index of books which contain false doctrine.[25] "We must fight valiantly," Clement XIII says in an encyclical letter about the banning of bad books, "as much as the matter itself demands and must exterminate the deadly poison of so many books; for never will the material for error be withdrawn, unless the criminal sources of depravity perish in flames."[26] Thus it is evident that this Holy See has always striven, throughout the ages, to condemn and to remove suspect and harmful books. The teaching of those who reject the censure of books as too heavy and onerous a burden causes immense harm to the Catholic people and to this See. They are even so depraved as to affirm that it is contrary to the principles of law, and they deny the Church the right to decree and to maintain it.


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    Mirari Vos
    « Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 09:27:13 AM »
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  • The Bishops are living Vatican II and not Vatican I .  That is why you don't see or hear excommunication and what is an Imprimatur.  Read Vatican 1 and compare Vatican II.  Religious liberty has 2 definitions and are both opposite.  We ARE the True Church the Church that Christ founded (Vat. I) and the American church is Vatican II.


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    Mirari Vos
    « Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 09:39:09 AM »
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  • Jman, they obviously cannot be reconciled because they directly oppose one another.  The US government is fundamentally anti-Catholic in its ideology, a paragon of the exact Liberalism that the Church clearly condemns, and has been a global force for evil through the spread of its erroneous and soul-rotting ideas beside its empty cultural exports, institutions, and products.  Hard sayings, I know, but the truth.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 10:01:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mirari Vos
    ...We are horrified to see what monstrous doctrines and prodigious errors are disseminated far and wide in countless books, pamphlets, and other writings which, though small in weight, are very great in malice. We are in tears at the abuse which proceeds from them over the face of the earth...


    That was then and this is now:

    Today, we are horrified to see what monstrous doctrines and prodigious errors are
    disseminated far and wide by the Catholic bishops
    of the world, and by priests who
    are not reprimanded by the bishops but instead are supported or even praised by
    the bishops. We are in tears at the abuse which proceeds from them over the face of
    the earth.
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    Mirari Vos
    « Reply #4 on: July 28, 2012, 01:51:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: PereJoseph
    Jman, they obviously cannot be reconciled because they directly oppose one another.  The US government is fundamentally anti-Catholic in its ideology, a paragon of the exact Liberalism that the Church clearly condemns, and has been a global force for evil through the spread of its erroneous and soul-rotting ideas beside its empty cultural exports, institutions, and products.  Hard sayings, I know, but the truth.


    For a person who was raised with the american ideas and converts to tradition this is a shattering saying that one of our most fundamental rights in the Constitution is very bad as defined by the church.  


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    « Reply #5 on: July 28, 2012, 07:04:24 PM »
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  • Mirari Vos is very important.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 07:27:05 PM »
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  • Fr.Lagrange was wont to say, "The Church is intolerant in principle because she believes. She is tolerant in practice because she loves. The enemies of the Church are tolerant in principle because they do not believe. They are intolerant in practice because they do not love."
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 04, 2012, 05:39:10 AM »
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  • I just want to remind you that the Bill of Rights is what allows us to proclaim the Catholic Faith in a predominantly Protestant and secular society.


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    Mirari Vos
    « Reply #8 on: August 04, 2012, 08:18:54 AM »
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  • My personal opinion is that it is up to Catholics to avoid harmful things, not for writers of harmful things to be forced not to write. Part of our daily cross-carrying consists of avoiding occasions of sin and that includes reading or hearing sinful things. If a book about occultism makes me start practicing magic, is that the author's fault or my own?

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    Mirari Vos
    « Reply #9 on: August 04, 2012, 11:34:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: theology101
    My personal opinion is that it is up to Catholics to avoid harmful things, not for writers of harmful things to be forced not to write. Part of our daily cross-carrying consists of avoiding occasions of sin and that includes reading or hearing sinful things. If a book about occultism makes me start practicing magic, is that the author's fault or my own?


    That's nonsense.

    In our satanic society avoiding harmful things would mean staying home and not associating with most other people (which, unfortunately, includes many members in our own families who are modernists). There are occasions of sin nearly everywhere anymore.

    Contrary to your opinion it is our duty to stand up against such filth.

    Your personal opinion is one of a coward, not a Catholic.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 04, 2012, 06:14:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: jlamos
    Quote from: theology101
    My personal opinion is that it is up to Catholics to avoid harmful things, not for writers of harmful things to be forced not to write.


    In a truly just society, writers of harmful things would be summarily thrown into
    prison, or at least confined to a penitential environment if they can behave
    themselves.

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    Part of our daily cross-carrying consists of avoiding occasions of sin and that includes reading or hearing sinful things. If a book about occultism makes me start practicing magic, is that the author's fault or my own?


    It's both your fault AND the author's fault. No book on such things "makes" you
    practice them. You have a free will, and you are the one who chooses to practice
    what you read in a book.

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    That's nonsense.

    In our satanic society avoiding harmful things would mean staying home and not associating with most other people (which, unfortunately, includes many members in our own families who are modernists). There are occasions of sin nearly everywhere anymore.

    Contrary to your opinion it is our duty to stand up against such filth.

    Your personal opinion is one of a coward, not a Catholic.


    What's missing in America and thus spreading worldwide as a consequence is the
    Church's doctrine of the SOCIAL KINGSHIP OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

    Fr. Fahey was a great exponent of this doctrine, and Modernists have done all
    they can to suppress it. This includes Freemasons, Zionists, Protestants and now
    Novordiens.

    Secular governments have no right to allow the public practice of false religions.
    That fact does not set well with non-Catholics. It means war: ideological war.

    The Canonized Traditional Latin Mass includes many prayers for the "freedom and
    exultation of Holy Mother Church." That translates to the suppression of evil
    literature, books, billboards, broadcasts, theater, plays, movies, "adult
    entertainment," TV and radio, and public events like parades, festivals and
    fundraisers, etc.

    I have a relative who lives in a remote part of Nevada and he says that when
    he has to take the family on a drive through the country to Reno, or wherever,
    they practically have to cover the eyes of their sons so they won't see
    billboards with indecent images of women and salacious slogans on them. Those
    things would be ILLEGAL if the Church was free and exalted in our society. Note,
    that would be Holy Mother Church operating "on all 12 cylinders," instead of two
    or three!

    (Cf: The Third Secret of Fatima -- which is still under suppression!)
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