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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: klasG4e on October 12, 2017, 11:42:39 AM
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One hundred years ago tomorrow would have been October 13, 1917. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the miracle seen over Fatima, Portugal came exactly at 12 Noon which would have been 7 a.m. Eastern Standard Time in the U.S.
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And, so far at least, the world has not ended.
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And, so far at least, the world has not ended.
Well, it's not October 13 yet, is it?
I expect SOMETHING to happen that will eventually lead to the unwinding of all that Our Lady came to warn us about at Fatima. -- e.g. an attack on North Korea that will eventually escalate into WW3.
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Heaven is being more than patient with us.... :pray:
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Communism has spread world wide at rapid rate.
All we can do is pray.
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Communism has spread world wide at rapid rate.
All we can do is pray.
California has become the latest Communistic state.
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One hundred years ago tomorrow would have been October 13, 1917. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the miracle seen over Fatima, Portugal came exactly at 12 Noon which would have been 7 a.m. Eastern Standard Time in the U.S.
According to reports of the time;
When the children arrived, a priest looked at his timepiece and complained it was already after 12 noon and that
Our Lady wasn't coming, everything being just a hoax and everyone should go home.
According to O Dia newspaper, "At one o'clock, the hour of the sun, the rain stopped"
Another witness, Dr. Almeida Garret, professor at the University of Colmbra in his testimony stated the people looked up and it was "almost two o'clock wartime or about noon, sun time".
To estimate the exact time of the sun you would have to know what war time was. Maybe it was something like daylight saving time.
Anyway, Our Lady wouldn't have used a timepiece, she would have used the sun.
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According to reports of the time;
When the children arrived, a priest looked at his timepiece and complained it was already after 12 noon and that
Our Lady wasn't coming, everything being just a hoax and everyone should go home.
According to O Dia newspaper, "At one o'clock, the hour of the sun, the rain stopped."
Another witness, Dr. Almeida Garret, professor at the University of Colmbra in his testimony stated the people looked up and it was "almost two o'clock wartime or about noon, sun time".
To estimate the exact time of the sun you would have to know what war time was. Maybe it was something like daylight saving time.
Anyway, Our Lady wouldn't have used a timepiece, she would have used the sun.
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In those days poor people didn't have watches because they were too expensive. So most of the people in the crowd would not have had access to the time by mechanical means, nor would they have been accustomed to thinking about what time it is out of daily habit. They were used to gauging day time by the position of the sun in the sky.
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But from the accounts I have read, the expected time of the last apparition had passed without the apparition having happened, for whatever reason. Perhaps Our Lady was answering prayers of latecomers who didn't want to miss out and were hurrying through the muddy paths, in the rain. Perhaps she was sympathetic to the cripples whose mobility was greatly diminished in the rain, at least some of whom Our Lady had planned to heal that day. And perhaps she was giving that one mysterious priest one last chance to accept the grace of conversion, even though he turned out to reject it in the end.
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The unidentified priest who attempted to make everyone go home when Our Lady's arrival was delayed was probably not the parish priest who had been giving the 3 children such a hard time. But curiously, both of these priests somehow disappeared after the Miracle of the Sun, never to be heard from again, simply gone from history.
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It's interesting that even today, skeptics continue to say that the whole thing was a hoax. There have been numerous books written on the great deception that was "Fatima" -- how many parts of the various testimonies are in conflict or don't make sense when put together. But this should not be too surprising that there would be conflicting accounts because in everyday life whenever a crisis or unusual event happens, the testimony of various witnesses can be very different, even in contradiction to each other.
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Well, it's not October 13 yet, is it?
I expect SOMETHING to happen that will eventually lead to the unwinding of all that Our Lady came to warn us about at Fatima. -- e.g. an attack on North Korea that will eventually escalate into WW3.
The 100-year anniversary has particular significance because of the words of Our Lord to Sister Lucy in 1931: "They did not wish to heed My request. Like the king of France, they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church; the Holy Father will have much to suffer."
On June 17, 1689 the Sacred Heart of Jesus manifested to Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque His command to the King of France that the King was to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart. The king failed to heed this request and so also his successors. On June 17, 1789 the King of France Louis XVI was stripped of his legislative authority by the upstart Third Estate, and four years later the soldiers of the French Revolution executed him as if he were a criminal.
In regard to Our Lady of Fatima, she did not request the consecration of Russia until June 13, 1929. Logically, it will be 100 years to the day on June 13, 2029 that we could expect some sign that this chapter of the Church is being wrapped up. That being said, I agree with you that today, October 13, 2017, is a significant milestone.
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I don't want to put myself too far out on a limb but I think that on or around October 9, 2028 (70 years since the death of Pope Pius XII), we will have a truly Catholic pope. Why 70 years? Because theologians/philosophers think that the lifetime of a man (70-80 years) is the upper limit that an institution could survive without a head before becoming extinct. The Jєωs were exiled in Babylon for 70 years. Regardless of whether you are a sedevacantist or not, if you are a traditional Catholic, in effect there has been no pope since October 9, 1958. This situation can't go on indefinitely without calling into question Our Lord's promise that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church. If 1000 years from now, people are still "resisting" the pope in the name of traditional Catholicism, and the pope is continuing to overturn every doctrine taught before the Second Vatican Council, then the promise would seem to have lost all meaning.
If there is a pope by October of 2028, then it would make sense that on June 13, 2029, he would be the one to suffer the consequences of the earlier refusal. I would expect that the consecration would then be done at some point but that it would be too late and the punishments would come to their climax.
I could be completely wrong.
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Communism has spread world wide at rapid rate.
All we can do is pray.
In the last 25 years, nearly all of the Communist regimes have fallen, though - almost all of them in the early 1990s. You can count the number of active Communist governments in the world on one hand.
This could be proof that Fatima's message is somewhat working.
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The miracle began about 1.30 p.m. Portuguese standard time which was actually an hour and a half ahead of true solar time for that meridian.
Dennis Whiting
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In the last 25 years, nearly all of the Communist regimes have fallen, though - almost all of them in the early 1990s. You can count the number of active Communist governments in the world on one hand.
This could be proof that Fatima's message is somewhat working.
Or are they just regrouping and rebranding underground?
Some say the Church has fallen but we know tradition is still regrouping.
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But from the accounts I have read, the expected time of the last apparition had passed without the apparition having happened, for whatever reason. Perhaps Our Lady was answering prayers of latecomers who didn't want to miss out and were hurrying through the muddy paths, in the rain. Perhaps she was sympathetic to the cripples whose mobility was greatly diminished in the rain, at least some of whom Our Lady had planned to heal that day. And perhaps she was giving that one mysterious priest one last chance to accept the grace of conversion, even though he turned out to reject it in the end.
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Perhaps the "lateness" was a foreshadowing of what she is doing now, in her attempt to restrain her Son's hand and delay His return a bit to give one last chance to the world to repent.
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Right now, at this moment in time Mount St. Michael is in the middle of their Fatima conference. You would be so in awe to see how beautiful everything is; so many people from all over the world came to celebrate this 100 anniversary today. Even priests are there that are not of C.M.R. I.; one is actually a novus ordo "priest" who admits, he needs to correct his situation. Another is under Bishop Sanborn, from Europe, and another from Russia, those are just the few I was able to talk to.
In a few moments, they will begin the outdoor procession and it is raining outside, just like it was 100 years ago at Fatima.
The talks from the various priests and Bishop Pivarunas were so well received and informative.
If we could have another miracle tonight I would pray for the conversion of the entire world and ring in the reign of Mary and her Immaculate Heart. The abolishment of Vatican II and a Catholic Pope.
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Or are they just regrouping and rebranding underground?
Some say the Church has fallen but we know tradition is still regrouping.
Much more likely, I think
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The miracle began about 1.30 p.m. Portuguese standard time which was actually an hour and a half ahead of true solar time for that meridian.
Dennis Whiting
Thank you! I just read a confirmation of what you state in the very authoritative Volume 1 of The Whole Trith About Fatima by Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite. The account of the miracle in that work is quite detailed, riveting, and precise.
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Myrna: I too, with my husband, was at the conference, our first time. Fantastic! We cried when we said farewell to Our Lady with white handkerchiefs.