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Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
« on: December 11, 2017, 11:09:03 PM »
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  • https://weather.com/news/trending/video/iconic-cross-survives-brush-fire-in-california

    Supposedly, this is the Cross of Father Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M
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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 12:29:19 AM »
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  • https://weather.com/news/trending/video/iconic-cross-survives-brush-fire-in-california

    Supposedly, this is the Cross of Father Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M
    Iconic Cross Survives Brush Fire in California
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    An iconic cross that holds a commanding view of the sea survived the brush fire in Ventura, even though everything else around it burned.
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    A few years ago the liberals in the Los Angeles County administration behind closed doors decided to spend $20 million for the purpose of recalling all the official county seals so they could issue new ones, the only change being to REMOVE the small cross on the gable roof of the mission church shown in the Seal. They took that little cross off the seals in the court houses, county fleet vehicles, stationery, office  doors, road signs, and so on. They had all the new ones made and were in the process of taking down the old ones before it ever made it into the news, so no public discussion was held, and it was never put up for public vote.
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    So it cost $20,000,000 to remove the cross in LA County, but in Ventura (the next county north) it cost nothing to keep it.
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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 12:41:05 AM »
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    http://noozeez.com/aclu-changes-california-history-by-having-flag-removed-by-los-angeles-country-flag/
    [Typo in website address: "flag" should be cross, "country" should be county]

    ACLU changes California history by having cross removed from Los Angeles County seal
    by Cactus Williams/ April 8, 2016
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    US District Judge Christina Snyder ruled that the small cross on the official seal of Los Angeles County was unconstitutional, siding with liberal groups such as the ACLU and saying that it only allowed for a single religion to hold power, prestige, and the purse in the county. The problem is that this also changes the historical nature of the seal itself.
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    Why does it feel like #christians are being persecuted now? #stupificationofamerica

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    The cross is on top of the San Gabriel Mission in the seal is historically correct. The reason that it’s included is because Franciscan missionaries from Spain were among the first settlers and were influential in the establishment of this territory. Removing the cross is changing the historical significance of this event. It’s not because of outward expression of religious superiority that the county is attempting to push onto those who do not share in the Christian faith. It’s a matter of not neglecting the historical accuracy of the county’s origins.
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    Removing the cross isn’t a direct attack against religious liberties. However, it’s a precedent that can be used to wipe all religious symbolism from anything that is associated with the government such as the use of the words, “In God We Trust,” on our currency. This ruling will be appealed and rightfully so. If history isn’t immune to the anti-religious machinations of the ACLU and their liberal cronies, nothing will stand up in court.

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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 01:05:18 AM »
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  • https://weather.com/news/trending/video/iconic-cross-survives-brush-fire-in-california

    Supposedly, this is the Cross of Father Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M
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    This photo shows some of the nearby charred bushes with the famous cross in the background.
    The left end of the crossarm appears shorter (perhaps burned shorter?) and jagged at the end:

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    Here is a closeup of the famous cross taken BEFORE the fire -- I can't find a closeup taken after the fire:

    As you can see, it has been reinforced with angle braces and steel bolts, and the wood is very old and weathered.
    It's the kind of thing that would burn very quickly in a raging fire -- all the more remarkable that it survived.
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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 01:39:48 AM »
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    Generally speaking, the Mission Cross was always the first thing to be established at a new mission. Fr. Serra and his successors followed this tradition without fail. When the Cross was erected, that was the place where Mass was celebrated every morning until such time as a more protective structure was built, such as something with a roof on it. It took many months for plans to be approved in Spain before construction of the new Mission could begin, but all that time and all during the construction process, the Mission Cross was the central meeting place and the place where their prayers were said daily. Every California Mission that you visit (there are 21 of them from San Diego to San Francisco) has a Mission Cross as a prominent feature, and any tour you take or picture book you read will prominently show the cross, its location on the grounds map, and sometimes a brief description to go along with it. If you just walk in without asking or studying you might have a hard time guessing where the Cross is located, but sometimes it is prominently in front and you can't miss it, like at Mission Santa Barbara:
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    From a tourist guide website, "California Through My Lens":
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    Overlooking the city of Ventura stands an old rugged cross with a history that dates back to the founding of the city itself. Only ten years ago, the one acre that the cross is on was developed into the Serra Cross Park, which is part of the larger Grant Park in the city of Ventura. This park has become a frequently visited attraction for locals and travelers alike as it is a beautiful place to watch the sunset or just sit and enjoy the beautiful views over the city.

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    • Open: Sunrise to Sunset 
    • Ample Parking at the top
    • Can book events at the park

    History

    On Easter Sunday, March 31, 1782, Spanish missionary, Father Junipero Serra, founded Mission San Buenaventura. On the beach south of the present-day mission church, he blessed an area of land and planted a wooden cross. Mission San Buenaventura was the ninth in the series of California Missions to be founded by Father Serra, and it was his last. Serra stayed only three weeks before leaving for Santa Barbara.

    Shortly after the Mission’s founding, a large wooden cross was planted on top of a hill overlooking the Mission church. This highly visible cross served as a road sign for travelers in search of the Mission. The cross has been lost to elements many times but it is always replaced and continues to stand above Venutra.

    Serra Park

    There is not a lot else to say about this park that wasn’t said above so I will just leave you with some of the photos I took there. It is a great place to stop and spend sometime just enjoying the beautiful California coastal views.
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    See photos on this page:

    https://californiathroughmylens.com/serra-cross-park-ventura
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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 06:04:44 AM »
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    This previously-competent judge seems to have fallen over the edge. She has become biased, cranky, and uneven. There has been a radical sea-change in her temperament and demeanor. She is short, impatient, and biased in favor of the government. The rumor is that she is unwell, and if that is the case, she needs to take some time off. She has begun to abuse attorneys who appear before her, and that is a radical departure from her prior persona. ".............




    Also she was appointed by Bill Clinton.  If she is Jewish any Catholic lawyer should get this over turned very easy now.

    And we all know the aclu is anti Catholic.  
    Her verdict was unconstitutional, biased and anti Christian. She was appointed by Bill Clinton.  
    Where are the Catholic lawyers and groups??

    They should be doing what TFP is doing.  




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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 08:40:43 AM »
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  • Great thread and today another anniversary of a miraculous event that gets greater with each technological advancement. 

    One of the ways to prove the Catholic claim is through miracles. Catholicism, unique amongst all the faiths on Earth, has colorable claims of miraculous events with evidence. One of these miraculous events is Our Lady's appearance to St. Juan Diego from December 9th to the 12th of 1531. You can find the full story here. And here's her image on the tilma of St. Juan Diego.

    https://www.wordonfire.org/resources/blog/st-juan-diegos-miraculous-proof/4581/ 

    Dec. 12 OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE

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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 02:57:57 PM »
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    Supposedly, this is the Cross of Father Junípero Serra y Ferrer, O.F.M
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    The location of the Mission Cross is kept at each Mission as a special place because of the longstanding tradition at the Missions to have Mass there and to have prayers like Benediction and the Breviary for priests, also for meetings with the faithful in the shadow of the prominent Cross.
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    The cross has been lost to elements many times but it is always replaced and continues to stand above Venutra.
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    Exposed to the weather, wood does not hold up well, and over time it becomes decayed, so all of the Mission Crosses have to be replaced from time to time. They might last about 20 to 50 years, depending on the climate and the wood species. If they used teak and oiled it with linseed oil every year it might hold up indefinitely, but teak is not a native wood, and the Missions used materials native to the area, usually. One source says this one in Ventura was erected around WWII, which would make it 70 years old. So that's ancient for a wood cross. 
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    The Ark of the Covenant was made from "setim wood" which is reputably impervious to decay, but apparently that's a very unique species found only in the Holy Land. I've never seen it available in California. There is a very hardy wood from England called lignum vitae (Latin name) which had long been used in old ships for the seals surrounding propeller shafts; it comes from logs buried in bogs and they say there are no more of this species living, it is extinct. It's unlikely that teak, setim wood or lignum vitae were ever used for a Mission Cross. Coastal redwood is a possibility because of its resistance to termites (but not impervious), but its strength is not very good so the crossbeam would be subject to fracture at the lap joint, where it intersects the vertical post. They could use railroad tie stock which is typically saturated with creosote for preservation, but that has an offensive odor that would be undesirable. Pressure treated or Wolmanized Douglas Fir would hold up well, but it's greenish in color so for the first 10 years or so it would have to be kept painted to look authentic. The Mission Cross looks more authentic when it appears weathered.
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    Therefore it is the LOCATION of this Cross that is likely from the founding of the Mission, but not the physical cross itself.
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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 03:02:11 PM »
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    This previously-competent judge seems to have fallen over the edge. She has become biased, cranky, and uneven. There has been a radical sea-change in her temperament and demeanor. She is short, impatient, and biased in favor of the government. The rumor is that she is unwell, and if that is the case, she needs to take some time off. She has begun to abuse attorneys who appear before her, and that is a radical departure from her prior persona.".............




    Also she was appointed by Bill Clinton.  If she is Jewish any Catholic lawyer should get this over turned very easy now.

    And we all know the aclu is anti Catholic.  
    Her verdict was unconstitutional, biased and anti-Christian. She was appointed by Bill Clinton.  
    Where are the Catholic lawyers and groups??

    They should be doing what TFP is doing.  
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    Are you referring to this judge? --

    US District Judge Christina Snyder
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    Re: Miracle in Midst of the Thomas Fire
    « Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 03:04:46 PM »
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    I just heard on the news that the Thomas Fire has become the most devastating fire in the history of California.
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    That's probably based on dollar value of the loss, because the San Francisco fire that followed the 1906 earthquake burned the entire city down.
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