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Offline Marlelar

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Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2017, 02:14:06 PM »
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    • Jovita, if you are addressing me, I am by no means "trashing" Fr. Kolbe.  

    As I said earlier I consider him to be a very holy man and most probably one of billions of saints (most of whom are not officially recognized as such).

    My concern is with the current way the "V2 church" has changed the process of canonization and rushes people through the process, the worst examples being Mother Teresa, J23, and JP2.  

    The current occupants of the Vatican have lost my trust.  Fortunately there are plenty of men and women whose canonizations are not questionable to whom we can safely pray.
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    Offline JPaul

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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #31 on: October 23, 2017, 02:31:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 17, 2017, 10:26:42 AM
    It does not surprise me that he would teach such a thing since all the Novus Ordo priests teach the same things. The SSPX seminaries teach that Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, and all other false religions can be saved without belief in Christ of the Holy Trinity.

    Both of Fellay's / Novus Ordo/ SSPX teachings are contradicted by Catholic dogma.  
    All factions which are of SSPX origin teach this same thing, including the resistance and most sedevacantist Bishops and priests.  It is the theology held by the Archbishop and many of his peers.
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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #32 on: October 23, 2017, 02:51:57 PM »
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    • This is yet another topic where the SSPX raises questions and confusion by expressing ideas which are not particularly Traditional.  The cry that they have been a bulwark for Tradition and defenders of it, has been a useful descriptor which has served to keep the faithful on the ranch but in many instances is no more than a utilitarian phrase which rings the bell of those who still long for a return and preservation of the Faith as it was. However when the realities of this movement break through the image that we have been given of steadfastness and purity, there is this disorientation, confusion, and endless discussion as to what it all means.  that is because they are not the same. We live in an age of illusion and created perceptions, which move souls from here to there but not necessarily towards the goal of Truth and Salvation.

    The search for Truth and the purity of Religion has become a largely personal one now as most authentic institutions have been rendered impotent and unable to help guide souls to their final home.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #33 on: October 23, 2017, 09:32:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on October 18, 2017, 10:17:51 PM
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    A priest once told me that Blessed Maximilian Kolbe offered Mass while he was in prison, but he had to first obtain the host and the wine, which were very hard to come by. And he did not have his Mass prayers written out, so he had to make do with what he could remember by heart.
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    There were times when he waited for days until he finally obtained a single crumb of bread and a mere drop of wine, and he used that for offering Mass.
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    Would that be valid?

    I don't think there's reason to doubt it. If Jesus is present in a crumb that drops from a broken host, then He is present in a crumb that is consecrated by His priest in a prison cell.            
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    All the sins of the world could have been atoned for by one drop of Our Lord's most precious Blood, because It's power is infinite.
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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #34 on: October 23, 2017, 09:42:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Recusant Sede on October 17, 2017, 05:51:52 PM
    Frankly, the whole thing just doesn’t sit right with me. I would like to know why the SSPX is pushing a "NO saint" so fervently? To be clear, Fr. Kolbe may have been a good man and may very well be in heaven, but he did not die a martyr for the Faith. Also, I'm fairly confident that one is NOT allowed to give ones life in exchange for another. One can certainly lose his life defending someone who is being attacked and thus commit a meritorious act, but, I'm pretty sure what Fr. Kolbe did is not approved  Catholic teaching.
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    What if one of the items on the list during +Fellay's negotiations with Newrome was something like the following:

    ---- We promise to promote three Newchurch Newsaints' devotions without distinction. ---- 
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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #35 on: October 23, 2017, 10:44:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on October 18, 2017, 04:53:47 PM
    Would that be valid?
    Yes. Father Ciszek did the same thing while he was in prison.
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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #36 on: October 24, 2017, 12:50:18 AM »
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    • Isn't Fr Chazal promoting a (resistance) MI?  (Also, I seem to remember something about the SSPX MI being  disbanded and then re-formed under Fr Stelhin. Possibly because it had resistance-friendly members? Does anyone else remember something like this a few year back?)
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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #37 on: October 24, 2017, 01:00:29 AM »
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    • Aha.. found it.  I highlighted the sentence.


    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/capuchins-of-morgon-join-the-resistance-write-200-page-treatise/msg518994/#msg518994

    "Dear Sean,
    The treatise is big, I saw it on the desk of a sspx confrere, and it is against the canonical agreement.
    Perhaps, but it is just a guess, Fr Joseph* had a hand in it, but it is endorsed by Fr Antoine.
    Bishop Fellay received it in his Chapter of Martigny and closed his eyes.
    For my part, I wrote to them that the deal is already effective at the canonical level, in a secret symbiotic way.
    But it remains the thesis of the treaty, (quite huge, 100 pages, small print, two columns), is our position, and looks to be aimed at that Fr Celier's secret treaty of Archbishoplefebvrology, that poisoned the minds of so many superiors some years back.
    Moreover, Fr Stehlin is unilaterally taking over the Militia Immaculatae, which was run by the Capuchins (a move reminiscent of the menzingerial moves against Avrille).
    Then, Morgon has issued the ultimatum that if their candidates continue to be barred from the priesthood, Morgon will call Bishop Faure, whom they trust.
    And there are plenty of other incidents, and the third order is very favorable to the Resistance.
    My own Brother, Brother Nicholas, says he totally agrees with our position.
    Unfortunately, I could not find the time to visit him.
    It will all be done the Capuchin way, I trust.
    Suaviter ac fortiter.
    You can publish this if you want.
    In Iesu et Maria,
    Francois Chazal+"


    PS: Just for clarification, the "Fr Joseph" that Fr. Chazal refers to in his email is Fr. Joseph (de Cacqueray).
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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #38 on: October 27, 2017, 02:41:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truecharity on October 23, 2017, 09:39:09 PM
    Oh that. The pagan Blood.

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    Are you saying you are a pagan?
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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #39 on: October 27, 2017, 05:55:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on October 16, 2017, 11:56:47 PM
    Those babies who are murdered in the womb face even more uncertainty for their lives have ended brutally in so much pain. Even before eight weeks, an unborn child feels pain because the nervous system and brain begin to develop before the heart starts to pump blood.

    All the more reason to save the lives of these children so they have an opportunity to be baptized. I spent half my life in front of those mills while the NO counselors said all of the babies killed go to Heaven (??). Is an abortion a ticket to Heaven? I know the babies suffer horribly, but are we sure they are dying for Christ or just brutally murdered?
    I have no assurance my grown, baptized son will be saved, or I for that matter....if all aborted babies  die and go straight to heaven, isn't that then the goal? Why should we even stop abortion?
    Now of course, God is Just and will do what he Wills, but from what has been passed on to us by the Church, unbaptized babies that are not martyred for the Faith do not go to Heaven. That is why Limbo is a wholly consoling concept,( formerly called Abraham's bosom) The unbaptized aborted babies will live in an earthly type of paradise in perfect happiness, but they will not see the Beatific Vision. Therein lies the eternal crime and horror of abortion. This is what the Church has given me to understand.
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    Re: Militia Immaculate Apostolate of SSPX
    « Reply #40 on: October 28, 2017, 12:02:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on October 27, 2017, 05:55:01 PM
    All the more reason to save the lives of these children so they have an opportunity to be baptized. I spent half my life in front of those mills while the NO counselors said all of the babies killed go to Heaven (??). Is an abortion a ticket to Heaven? I know the babies suffer horribly, but are we sure they are dying for Christ or just brutally murdered?

    I have no assurance my grown, baptized son will be saved, or I for that matter....if all aborted babies  die and go straight to heaven, isn't that then the goal? Why should we even stop abortion?

    Now of course, God is Just and will do what he Wills, but from what has been passed on to us by the Church, unbaptized babies that are not martyred for the Faith do not go to Heaven. That is why Limbo is a wholly consoling concept,( formerly called Abraham's bosom) The unbaptized aborted babies will live in an earthly type of paradise in perfect happiness, but they will not see the Beatific Vision. Therein lies the eternal crime and horror of abortion. This is what the Church has given me to understand.
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    I knew an anesthesiologist who would baptize babies and young children on the operating table when they were dying and nothing could be done to save them. He did not try to get the parents' permission nor did he discuss it with anyone. He did it discreetly and never was criticized for it. I told him, You know, you have a whole congregation of saints in heaven waiting to thank you. He nodded in agreement.
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    Here is a website for Fr. Stehlin's Militia Immaculatae:
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    https://militia-immaculatae.info/en/new-booklet-the-consecration-of-russia/
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