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Offline Christin

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« on: May 03, 2008, 08:49:56 AM »
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  • This is exciting and disturbing. Here is the actual bill passed three years ago which was/is supposed to go into effect this month (May 2008) which requires all renewed drivers' licenses to contain scannable microchips with your personal information on them.(RFID chips.)

    REAL ID Act of 2005
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.418:
    Click on the third one.
    Click on Title II - IMPROVED SECURITY FOR DRIVERS' LICENSES

    Among other important statements:
    "(1) IN GENERAL- Beginning 3 years after the date of the enactment of this Act,[so in 2008,] a Federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver's license or identification card issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting the requirements of this section."

    Don't be deceived if you read about voluntary RFID chip licenses. Yes, they were voluntary, up until May 2008. Now the only case where you can get a normal, unchipped license is if you live in a state which is not in compliance with the REAL ID Act.. yet.

    Offline Vandaler

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    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2008, 09:41:06 AM »
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  • What information do you fear, should not be written on that chip, that is not already written in ink on your current drivers license ?


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    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2008, 11:45:06 AM »
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  • Well, since the drivers' license is no longer to be used only as a driver's license, but rather as a microchipped, multifunctional National ID card, replacing the necessity for passports, there are many problems I have with that.

    1. I thought the US was a free country. Why is this mandatory? When did we vote on it? Why are they not at least telling everyone about it???
     :really-mad2:

    2. Once a drivers' license was strictly used for identifying legally approved drivers on the road. Now it is (at least temporarily) still going to be called a drivers' license, but it will function as a National ID card. Think of what has happened to the Social Security Number. It is no longer just used for people paying into Social Security and claiming it when they get older. It is now more like a number used to number people.
     :sad:

    3. Your number (SS#) will be on the chip, along with all sorts of other information about you. If you can find an article explaining exactly what information will be on there to start with, let me know. Whatever it is, once we all have and need these cards to drive, they can put whatever they want on there. No, they don't have to tell us or get our permission first.
     :reading:

    4. Anyone with a remote control RFID scanner can read your card's radio wave frequency, and get your personal information right through your wallet and pants pocket. Hope RFID readers don't have as easy of a time finding their way into criminals' hands as illegal drugs and weapons do.  
    :light-saber:

    5. The next step is implanting the chip, so that you don't have to carry it and possibly lose it. Like the Real ID Act of 2005 described in my above post, it will be voluntary at first.
     :shocked:

    6. I don't want an implanted chip that causes cancer and deprives me of the freedom I grew up thinking we would always have!
     :cry:

    7. Why can't we wise up and stop this thing before it goes any further?
     :whistleblower:
    What's wrong with normal passports and drivers' licenses?  :confused1:

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    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2008, 12:29:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Christin
    ...as a microchipped, multifunctional National ID card, replacing the necessity for passports...


    Actually, you will still need a passport in all situations where you needed one in the past - flying overseas, for example.  

    Imo, it was already a bad sign that the passport was checked when leaving your native country.  It should only have been checked when entering a foreign land.

    Van, I believe the idea is to store quite a bit more data on the new IDs, and there is also the fact that it is traceable.  Knowing where the RFID is naturally leads to knowing where the person is, most of the time anyway.  Many detest such a situation, and I cannot fault them.
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    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2008, 12:36:10 PM »
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  • Hardly surprising to find mr vandal as an apologist for anti-christ, big bro, judaic NWO.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 12:46:30 PM »
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  • I have known him for some time, and actually have quite a bit of respect for him and his honesty (and his English isn't too shabby, either :detective:).  In another thread he was able to discern that I was clearly speaking from the objectively and demonstrably true point of view that TRUTH is ONE.  Whether he agrees with me or not at this stage, he is a rarity among moderns in that he could discern that I was indeed operating on the principle that there is unity in the truth.  For that reason alone, I have hope that all shall be well in the long run.
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    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2008, 04:40:49 PM »
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  • Hi Christin,

    I work in the security field, so I weight matters of security/freedom with a different scale. You'll never be entirely free but the correct balance is hard to find and not everyone agrees on what it should be.

    I personally am more concerned and interested with the efficacy of the National I.D. card, but that is a different subject.

    Quote from: Christin

    3. Your number (SS#) will be on the chip, along with all sorts of other information about you. If you can find an article explaining exactly what information will be on there to start with, let me know. Whatever it is, once we all have and need these cards to drive, they can put whatever they want on there. No, they don't have to tell us or get our permission first.
     :reading:


    From your link above...

    (b) Minimum Document Requirements- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the following information and features on each driver's license and identification card issued to a person by the State:

                (1) The person's full legal name.
                (2) The person's date of birth.
                (3) The person's gender.
                (4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.
                (5) A digital photograph of the person.
                (6) The person's address of principle residence.
                (7) The person's signature.

    Quote from: Christin
    4. Anyone with a remote control RFID scanner can read your card's radio wave frequency, and get your personal information right through your wallet and pants pocket. Hope RFID readers don't have as easy of a time finding their way into criminals' hands as illegal drugs and weapons do.


    Interesting point.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2008, 06:28:43 PM »
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  •  Wow... for once I'm actually glad I don't drive.

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    Offline Christin

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    « Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 06:36:45 PM »
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  • gladius_veritatis said:
    "Actually, you will still need a passport in all situations where you needed one in the past - flying overseas, for example."

    See:
    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/308864_border24.html


    Vandaler said:

    [Christin said:
    3. Your number (SS#) will be on the chip, along with all sorts of other information about you. If you can find an article explaining exactly what information will be on there to start with, let me know. Whatever it is, once we all have and need these cards to drive, they can put whatever they want on there. No, they don't have to tell us or get our permission first.]

    "From your link above...

    (b) Minimum Document Requirements- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the following information and features on each driver's license and identification card issued to a person by the State:

                (1) The person's full legal name.
                (2) The person's date of birth.
                (3) The person's gender.
                (4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.
                (5) A digital photograph of the person.
                (6) The person's address of principle residence.
                (7) The person's signature."

    Vandaler, I had read that, but my question is not what the given MINIMUM required information is that must initially be put on the chips. Rather, I am interested in EXACTLY what information WILL initially be put on various chips, particularly those that diligently exceed the given minimum info requirements. Though even that can, of course, be easily expanded on at future dates.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 03, 2008, 06:57:50 PM »
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  • Gladius thanks.

    Though even the most casual of observers would see the difference between being an apologist and stimulating substance to a discussion.

    Christin,

    I understand your concern.  It would be rather easy to track what information will be on the National I.D. card but, in the case of drivers license, it' trickier since if I'm not mistaken, those are directed at the State level, not by the Federal Government.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 03, 2008, 08:47:10 PM »
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  •  :scratchchin:
    Vandaler, I think I get it. You said:
    "It would be..easy to track what information will be on the National I.D. card but, in the case of drivers license, it's trickier since if I'm not mistaken, those are directed at the State level, not by the Federal Government."

    In other words, the Federal Government is making a temporary sacrifice while this project goes into action. Since information put on license chips will be controlled and observed by individual State Governments, the Federal Government will not have the information as readily available. Nor will we, since State Government information is understandably harder to gather, and that is why the sacrifice is worth making for the Federal Government. It doesn't have to worry about us knowing what is on our new mandatory microchips while the system is being implemented.

    In the long run, however, the REAL ID Act provides a remedy to this problem (for the government.) The Federal Government has taken steps to ensure that the information will ultimately be made more readily available to them:

    "Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security,...shall develop and implement a plan--

    (1) to improve the communications systems of the departments and agencies of the Federal Government in order to facilitate the integration of communications among the departments and agencies of the Federal Government and State"


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    « Reply #11 on: May 03, 2008, 11:09:27 PM »
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  • What I meant, simply, is that if you want to keep track of what will be on your drivers license card, it can very well vary from State to State and thus not receive as much attention, should a State decide to add some additional information then the minimal requirements.

    I would think it very easy however to find out what is on the card should you want to know.  I don't blame you to want to know if that a matter you take at heart.

    My interest in the matter is, will it make you safer. I fail to see how it will.


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    « Reply #12 on: May 04, 2008, 11:48:53 AM »
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  • .
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    Real ID & the Subdermal Chip (the Mark of the Beast)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo&eurl=http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1772699/

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/135

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/354


     

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     "Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."  (David Rockefeller, Memoirs 2002)

     
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    « Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 01:38:42 PM »
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  • Vandaler, whether I could get an accurate answer or not as to what personal information of mine will be appearing on this scannable Radio Frequency ID chip, don't you think in a free country a competent person should be able to choose whether he can morally accept an RFID chip without having his driving priveleges revoked for refusing it?

    When I am forced to carry this cancer-causing, freedom-depriving device just to be able to drive to work, I will have to say I no longer recognize our country as the free land I once grew up in.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 07, 2008, 03:24:39 PM »
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  • Your asking me personally ?

    Was I American, I would oppose the national I.D. card on the grounds that it's not an effective program in effectively meet it's objective of increasing security. (cost/benefit)

    The RFID chip in itself does not really concern me.  Let me ask you: Why do you feel more liberty if the information is written in ink only rather then, additionally on a chip ?

    Personally, I would not feel oppressed by the measure.  Your cancer argument would need to be substantiated for me to consider it seriously.




     

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