Author Topic: Micheal Voris (Read 3304 times)

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:06:24 PM »

FWIW, recent and brief discussions with a few Nervous Ordealers has indicated to me that there is, deep down, an unease and they ARE looking, at least, at the Latin Mass as superior to the other stuff that drives them nuts. That is at least a tiny beginning - for them.

Most Trads, no - 98% of ALL Trads with whom I am very well acquainted have arrived at this life-altering realization following prolonged study and reflection. There are, in my own little circle, only a tiny number who were Trads right from the get-go, back in the 60s and 70s.

Thus, Voris serves a basic purpose. He's got some people starting to ask "why"?

Eventually, some number of those will run into people like us and we can show them.

I have mixed emotions about MV. He does a good job at "what" he's about and his sincerity and commitment are unquestionable. Officially, including the men working with him, are still off-put by the "irregularity" of the SSPX. However, it was not too long ago that MV did a very fair, balanced and honest show on the SSPX and it demonstrated his willingness to examine the facts, close up.

It took me a few years to decide the Trad movement really WAS what it claimed. Those hesitancies, largely emotional, are tough to discard all at once. Yet, if one just keeps studying the good, solid material that is out there, one day dawn will break on marble head and, bingo!

I'm not going "nice" on the issue of the unbridgeable gap between Santo Subito's "version" of the Church and Catholicism itself, but every day there ARE Catholics at any of a number of stages along the continuum that eventually will get them back on track with orthodox doctrine and practice.

Marlelar · « **Reply #16 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:29:19 PM »

Quote from: jmid

How can you only the Vatican? Just about every NO parish preaches heresey, or has a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priest running the show. I can’t think of one, solid, orthodox Bishop in the whole USA !!!

NO parishes are part of the "institution of the Vatican" and are thereby contaminated with the same worldly spirit as the Vatican itself. I'm sorry I wasn't clear, I didn't mean just Vatican city, or the buildings in Rome, I meant the whole "structure" and that includes the current parish system as they take their orders from the Vatican regardless of where they are situated geographically.

My point is that the true faith is alive and well, the gates have not "prevailed", the true faith is lived by fewer and fewer people but it does still exist.

Marsha

michaela benedicta · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:13:02 PM »

In response to Jmid, the gates of Hell have not prevailed. Our Lord suffered His Passion... Shouldn't His Bride, the Church, do the same?!? Same can be applied to us... Do we think that Heaven should come cheap??!?!
The wheat is being separated from the chaff. From all Eternity, we were destined by Our Father to be in these times! We must fight under the banner of the Red and the Blue! Rosaries in hand, souls beautiful by the Holy Ghost being present, we need to be an example to the world!
Our Lady of Fatima said that many people go to Hell, because there is no one to pray for them... We cannot be dejected looking around at the chaos...
Keep your eyes fixed on our Captain and our Queen! As Bishop Sheen said, "dead bodies float downstream.. It takes a real person with character to swim against the tide!"

Pax,

michaela +

Ps yes, sigh, I know that B. Sheen said some modernist things...please read for content!! :)

cassini · « **Reply #18 on:** December 11, 2012, 03:03:11 PM »

Quote from: jmid

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/churchmilitanttv/2012/12/06/open-mic-night-with-michael-voris
Michael Voris has a weekly Internet Radio show; this past week he was taking callers to hear what their opinions were on “What is the biggest problem in the Church” It was frustrating that not one person pointed to Rome as the culprit. I wasn’t really surprised though, it seems that people in the NO or even Trads have a hard time admitting that the Pope himself is responsible for the horrible crisis facing Mother Church. What accounts for this? Is it psychological? Like an abusive parent, where the children refuse to believe Daddy is a drunken loser and keep yearning for his love?
Just as the Faith of the Apostles was shaken by the crucifixion, asking “How can this be.” I ask myself the same question , Our Lord tells us “The Gates Of Hell Shall not Prevail” but yet they have prevailed!!! How can this be?? The Church in every way possible has been overrun. Masons and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are now in charge on every level, there is no unity of faith anymore, the church is no longer Holy, she has become a whore, selling herself to the highest bidder. There is no equal in the whole of History of The Church, to the crises we are now facing. We have become like the some poor pathetic beggars asking for some miracle to save us. The Church has been crucified, and yet many people still refuse to believe it, even though the stench is overwhelming. Either the resurrection of The Church needs to happen soon, or we may need to ask ourselves the final question, which is too horrible to even consider.
Veni, veni Emmanuel;
Captivum solve Israel,

Jmid, you are not alone in your thoughts. Where is the simple Catholic world of my youth, the 1950s. Today, everyone has to be a theologian to try to figure out how the word of God still holds true while Rome behaves like Protestants.
This must be where blind faith comes in. There are times I cannot believe God would allow things to get so bad IN HIS CHURCH. But He did. Oh yes I know there are traditional theologians who try to explain the situation but it all feels made up to me. So it all comes down to blind faith. I prefer understandable faith, but I cannot figure that out. That is all we have left Jmid, the only explanation that makes sense to me.

michaela benedicta · « **Reply #19 on:** December 11, 2012, 03:11:44 PM »

Wow, it must have been so nice to live in the 50's... That is my favourite era!
Ever since I was little, I felt that I was "misplaced" in the wrong era! :) I always wanted to be Donna Reed (but not to vacuum in high heels, ha ha!)

Must have been nice to live in the time when the Church was truly Catholic, and even if you went to Holy Mass in Spain, you would still be able to follow along!

<sigh!>

michaela +

:scratchchin:

sspxbvm · « **Reply #20 on:** December 11, 2012, 05:43:42 PM »

Quote from: jmid

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/churchmilitanttv/2012/12/06/open-mic-night-with-michael-voris
Michael Voris has a weekly Internet Radio show; this past week he was taking callers to hear what their opinions were on “What is the biggest problem in the Church” It was frustrating that not one person pointed to Rome as the culprit. I wasn’t really surprised though, it seems that people in the NO or even Trads have a hard time admitting that the Pope himself is responsible for the horrible crisis facing Mother Church. What accounts for this? Is it psychological? Like an abusive parent, where the children refuse to believe Daddy is a drunken loser and keep yearning for his love?
Just as the Faith of the Apostles was shaken by the crucifixion, asking “How can this be.” I ask myself the same question , Our Lord tells us “The Gates Of Hell Shall not Prevail” but yet they have prevailed!!! How can this be?? The Church in every way possible has been overrun. Masons and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are now in charge on every level, there is no unity of faith anymore, the church is no longer Holy, she has become a whore, selling herself to the highest bidder. There is no equal in the whole of History of The Church, to the crises we are now facing. We have become like the some poor pathetic beggars asking for some miracle to save us. The Church has been crucified, and yet many people still refuse to believe it, even though the stench is overwhelming. Either the resurrection of The Church needs to happen soon, or we may need to ask ourselves the final question, which is too horrible to even consider.
Veni, veni Emmanuel;
Captivum solve Israel,

Prepare yourself because it is going to get worse. Wherever the Catholic Faith is you will find the Church still alive, have courage. In other words if there is a family keeping the Faith and honoring Mary it is there that you have the proof the Church is still here and when the Catholic Faith is practiced unadulterated you will very quickly notice holiness begin to sprout. The Faith is holy. It does not depend on anybody to keep it's holiness. False Catholics (like the pope & bishops) who live bad lives can do nothing to change the holiness of the True Church which Christ left here for our eternal salvation. The true Faith is holy and will make true Catholics holy.

cassini · « **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2012, 11:59:34 AM »

Quote from: michaela benedicta

Wow, it must have been so nice to live in the 50's... That is my favourite era!
Ever since I was little, I felt that I was "misplaced" in the wrong era! :) I always wanted to be Donna Reed (but not to vacuum in high heels, ha ha!)

Must have been nice to live in the time when the Church was truly Catholic, and even if you went to Holy Mass in Spain, you would still be able to follow along!

<sigh!>

michaela +

:scratchchin:

This was Ireland in the 1950s. We were not rich then, but we were very happy. The churches were so packed one could be pushed off one end of the pew to make room for at the other end. There were days one could not get into certain Masses so packed were they. Say there was something on in the parish church. From an hour before the streets would come alive with people leaving their homes to make their way towards the ringing bells. It was so natural for all to attend church functions. The country was Catholic, nothing happened without the bishops and priests being invited.

The schools were so Catholic every subject included Catholicism in some way. We learned the penny cathecism by heart, theologiand by the age of ten. Just listen to thiss

The voices are real kids of that era.

I recall a Christian Brothers' seminary near my home, 300 acres of land where they grew everything to eat, kept cows for milk etc. Some days they would walk in pairs up the road, they stretched for a quarter of a mile there were so many. That seminary is now a Raddison Hotel.

My father, Lord rest his soul, submitted his three sons to a convent to serve mass at 7.30 AM each day. Later I was an alter boy at the local parish. Me and my pal volunteered to serve everything, not because we were holier than others, but because we could get out in the evenings. The retreats were for men then another for women. If I was serving Mass at the womens' retreat we had to leave the church for the instruction.

Dirty films and books were banned and the constitution was Catholic. The classic films shown were very decent. TV consisted of Robin Hood in snow, indeed everything in snow. Parish dances were held, the boys lined one side of the room, girls the other. the priest would be there, separating couples that got too close together.
Sin was diffucult, the girls kept the boys in check, not a kiss until the third date.
But we were all happy.

michaela benedicta · « **Reply #22 on:** December 12, 2012, 01:25:10 PM »

Your post brought tears to my eyes, it sounds like Heaven!!

I had the wonderful fortune of going to Ireland about six years ago...my family came from County Cavan. I was able to visit there, and Dublin and a sweet little town named Mallahide.
Wonderful days, wish I could have seen more... Unfortunately had to be admitted to the hospital for 3 days, but I long to return again and spend months if not years there! <3

Thank you for allowing us to see inside of your world, and some of your happy memories. You are very truly blessed!

Love,
michaela +

:dancing:

jmid · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2012, 10:52:23 AM »

Cassini

Thank you for your post.
I am 48 years old, I always tell my kids that I saw "The tail end" of the Old America growing up in North Jersey. I remember when I was young going to Mass to a packed house in very large Catholic Churches, standing room only.

It must have been the beginning of The NO, around 69-73. There were Processions through the streets of our city( Which had mostly Italians,Irish,Polish ethnics) I remember hanging out with my buddies on the corner, and having Nuns walking up and stopping to admonish us.

There was a Pizzeria, all the kids would eat at, one time my buddies and I were there, it was very loud with all the kids laughing and joking, then all of a sudden The Parish Priest walked in and the place went silent. He walked to each table and spoke with each one, told us all to be good.

It was very strange, of course these are the memories of a young mind, but there wasn't any divorce, all the Moms were home,in the neighborhood we were all the same religion and shared the same culture.

At the public school I went to, we had a boys gym and the girls had their own gym.

I recall when we were making First Communion, we had to go on a retreat during the week, and the whole class except for the two kids, left school to go.

Then all of a sudden the modern world came crashing down on us and its been mayhem ever since.

Now the Churches are empty, 99% of those kids from the pizzeria and retreat either became secular or Protestant; the Nuns and Priests are no where in sight, no more processions, the neighborhood is now Americanized ( Jєωιѕн Multi-cultural)

Sooo Sad

Cassini you hit the nail on the head, when you said all the explanations seem made up, so right....so very right.

cassini · « **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2012, 04:13:17 PM »

Quote from: michaela benedicta

Your post brought tears to my eyes, it sounds like Heaven!!
I had the wonderful fortune of going to Ireland about six years ago...my family came from County Cavan. I was able to visit there, and Dublin and a sweet little town named Mallahide.
Wonderful days, wish I could have seen more... Unfortunately had to be admitted to the hospital for 3 days, but I long to return again and spend months if not years there! <3

Thank you for allowing us to see inside of your world, and some of your happy memories. You are very truly blessed!

Love,
michaela +

:dancing:

Michaela, I was born not too far from Malahide. I went to primary school near there too. It is a small world.

michaela benedicta · « **Reply #25 on:** December 13, 2012, 08:49:40 PM »

:shocked:

I tell you what, Mallahide was so charming, as soon as I got discharged from the hospital, I asked my husband if it was alright with him if we stayed there the rest of our holiday!!

I have a great picture sitting at the Coffee Scene right across from St Sylvester's (?), and across from Duffy's Pub.

It was so wonderful, we just happened to walk into St. Sylvester's right during Adoration..it was such a grace-filled time. We stayed in that church a lot during the rest of our holiday, too!

The darndest thing happened, though. I was sitting at the Coffee Scene (having a beautiful scone, BTW), and snapped a picture of the spire of the church. Got home, and guess what??!?! that was the ONLY pic that did not show up. <sigh>
At least I got some pictures of the inside.

Will you ever go back, on holiday or otherwise? If I get better, I would like to go to Rome, and then back to Mallahide.

Erin Go Bragh! :alcohol:

michaela +