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Offline Stubborn

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Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
« on: July 17, 2015, 05:14:33 PM »
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  • Not that this is earth shattering news, but in this video, the fool states the SSPX is schismatic. In the comment section, it says: We also have a brief FAQ on the Society of St. Pius X at http://www.churchmilitant.com/... There will be more in the near future.

    Comments that attempt to advocate for the legitimacy and/or credibility of the Society of St. Pius X will also be deleted.


    As if there would be any traditional faith left in the world if would have been left up to this public compromiser to preserve the faith in the 60s and 70s.

    Whoever was unsure where he stood before, wonder no more, he is one of the enemy.


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    Rome has NOT spoken

    TRANSCRIPT

    The best description of the Church speak these days is vagueness. Day after day, various clergy in the Church speak in stridently UNCLEAR terms. There is a decided lack of clarity. Catholics know this.

    They hear the absence of clarity Sunday after Sunday, press release after press release, and RCIA class after RCIA class. And there is a further problem with the lack of clarity: It is the near refusal to condemn what needs to be condemned, and the problem applies across a huge spectrum of issues. From the bogus visions of Medjugorje to the schismatic existence of the SSPX to the mad ramblings of dissidents in seminaries and Catholic universities, Rome rarely slaps down anything. And the problem is that as long as something isn't condemned, the followers or adherents of said issue can say, "Well, Rome hasn't said we're condemned, so we are okay.".........


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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2015, 05:39:52 PM »
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  • Coming from that limp-wristed pansy fruit who attends what can be best described as  the "Roman Lutheran Feminist Church" in the Novus Ordo Missae. Pot calling the kettle black, probably.
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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2015, 06:08:54 PM »
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    Coming from that limp-wristed pansy fruit who attends what can be best described as  the "Roman Lutheran Feminist Church" in the Novus Ordo Missae. Pot calling the kettle black, probably.
    It does seem hypocritical that he's not a Traditional Mass attendee.
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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2015, 06:28:06 PM »
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  • The worse thing I heard from Michael Voris is that all marriages performed by
    the SSPX are invalid. It was in that episode in which he said that those that
    are out of the church are in the church. And, those that should be in the
    church are out of the church.
    The church has always recognized marriages performed in Protestant
    Churches. My Father and Mother were originally Protestants until my Mother
    converted to the Catholic Faith in the early 1950's and was baptized along
    with my older brother, my sister and myself.
    They were never asked to remarry in the Catholic Church, and I along
    with my brother and sister attended Parochial School.  
    The Marriage contract is actually between a man and a woman. It is a
    Sacrament and the Priest is actually the witness.
    I an not saying that the SSPX is protestant. Just to make a point. That
    even the Vatican 2 Church recognizes the SSPX Marriages are valid.
    And they recognizes Marriages in all other faiths and religions as valid.
    Where Michael Voris got this is unknown and just a lie to keep people
    in the novus ordo.
    Trouble is, most people whom hear Michael Voris will believe him, and
    are to lazy to investigate for themselves.

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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2015, 08:43:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    The church has always recognized marriages performed in Protestant
    Churches.


    Every single one? I think I read it's not wholesale like that. They can be invalid just like even any catholic sacrament can be.

    I finding it disturbing when they say the same thing about Protestant baptisms. I don't know if it's only been the Modernists and the Novus Ordo who claim they're ALL valid, when such is not the case. Loads of Protestant sects baptize "in the name of Jesus" only and don't use the Trinitarian formula, which makes them invalid.


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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2015, 10:50:08 PM »
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  • Back in 1988 Rome slapped down the SSPX while protecting their own novous ordo priests who were raping and molesting children.

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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2015, 10:55:10 PM »
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  • Vatican II is schism.
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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #7 on: July 18, 2015, 10:27:37 AM »
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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #8 on: July 18, 2015, 10:57:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
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    The church has always recognized marriages performed in Protestant
    Churches.


    Every single one? I think I read it's not wholesale like that. They can be invalid just like even any catholic sacrament can be.

    I finding it disturbing when they say the same thing about Protestant baptisms. I don't know if it's only been the Modernists and the Novus Ordo who claim they're ALL valid, when such is not the case. Loads of Protestant sects baptize "in the name of Jesus" only and don't use the Trinitarian formula, which makes them invalid.


    The couples are the minister of the Sacrament in Marriage, which means all of them are valid if contracted licitly.

    And you can assume 95% of all Protestants to be Trinitarian, so they'd have valid baptisms. The Jesus-only Pentecostals are the big ones that aren't - I think they're the majority of that denomination. But your average Lutheran, Presbyterian or Anglican will have a valid baptism.

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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #9 on: July 18, 2015, 11:14:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: JezusDeKoning
    But your average Lutheran, ####ian or Anglican ...



    Why is the name of a denomination blotted out?

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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #10 on: July 18, 2015, 11:38:02 AM »
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    But your average Lutheran, ####ian or Anglican ...



    Why is the name of a denomination blotted out?


    The word P-r-e-s-b-y-t-e-r has been blocked for some reason.


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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #11 on: July 18, 2015, 11:39:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: JezusDeKoning
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    The church has always recognized marriages performed in Protestant
    Churches.


    Every single one? I think I read it's not wholesale like that. They can be invalid just like even any catholic sacrament can be.

    I finding it disturbing when they say the same thing about Protestant baptisms. I don't know if it's only been the Modernists and the Novus Ordo who claim they're ALL valid, when such is not the case. Loads of Protestant sects baptize "in the name of Jesus" only and don't use the Trinitarian formula, which makes them invalid.


    The couples are the minister of the Sacrament in Marriage, which means all of them are valid if contracted licitly.


    What do you mean by "if contracted licitly"?

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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #12 on: July 18, 2015, 02:54:06 PM »
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  • So now Pope Voris has the Magisterium according to Voris. Now who's the schismatic?

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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #13 on: July 18, 2015, 03:09:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
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    The church has always recognized marriages performed in Protestant
    Churches.


    Every single one? I think I read it's not wholesale like that. They can be invalid just like even any catholic sacrament can be.

    I finding it disturbing when they say the same thing about Protestant baptisms. I don't know if it's only been the Modernists and the Novus Ordo who claim they're ALL valid, when such is not the case. Loads of Protestant sects baptize "in the name of Jesus" only and don't use the Trinitarian formula, which makes them invalid.


    The couples are the minister of the Sacrament in Marriage, which means all of them are valid if contracted licitly.


    What do you mean by "if contracted licitly"?


    As in, free to marry, a man and a woman doing the intentions of the Church (like intending to have kids, etc.).
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    Michael Voris calls SSPX Schismatic
    « Reply #14 on: July 18, 2015, 03:36:23 PM »
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    Coming from that limp-wristed pansy fruit who attends what can be best described as  the "Roman Lutheran Feminist Church" in the Novus Ordo Missae. Pot calling the kettle black, probably.
    It does seem hypocritical that he's not a Traditional Mass attendee.



    He hangs and wholly endorses fellow libs Fr. Paul Nicholson and wdtprs.com's Fr. John Zuhlsdorf - two other highly public compromisers which, between the three of them, if left up to them, there would be no TLM, no crisis, no "Vortex" and certainly no "church militant tv".

    This weeks edition of Bishop Williamson's Eleison comments certainly helps explain and expose Michael Voris and his "conservative Novus Ordo militant TV" empire as; “A sickness of the mind. ‘Rather than a confusion of mind, liberal Catholicism is a sickness of the mind’ .... the mind is unable simply to rest in the truth. It can venture no statement without thinking immediately of the counter-statement, which it feels equally obliged to make.

    Except when it comes to public liberals masquerading as conservatives, I say that "the mind is unable simply to accept the truth. It can venture no statement without thinking immediately of the counter-statement, which it makes the truth."

    I hope everyone who reads this thread understands that whatever the shape of the SSPX today, if it weren't for the stubborn lay folk and stubborn clergy, those courageous few who would not bend to the Novus Ordo - and for the ultra-stubborn Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre remaining uncompromising when the entire Catholic world reeked, screamed, beckoned and demanded compromise to accept the Novus Odor, and while seemingly 99.9% of everyone including priests, bishops, cardinals, nuns, friends, relatives, acquaintances and every one - and everything Catholics up to that time treasured, succuмbed and compromised which helped usher in the Novus Oder and all of it's abominations - Archbishop Lefebvre did his duty and remained stubborn for God and the Church and the salvation of souls, and by the grace of God and against all odds, did his duty, alone and with the help of God to "hand down what he also received" while being persecuted by his superiors, his equals and his subordinates.

    No matter what one's opinion of the SSPX is these days, if they have an ounce of faith, if they harbor any grace of God within them, if they are even trying to seek the truth and promote it, they could not make the statement MV makes - which bespeaks of the truth above from +Williamson's Eleison comments that MV and his Militant TV and those who support him are certainly liberals, no better imo than the rest of the compromisers who did their part to kick out the True Catholic Faith and usher in the new conciliar faith.    

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse