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Offline Croix de Fer

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Re: Men, the system is against you
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2018, 09:02:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 21, 2018, 07:40:22 PM
    Truth is that most Catholics do have the wisdom to seek Catholic teaching which includes the New Testament and the Holy Trinity.  And it is the Latin Mass.  And Catholics need to instruct the ignorant.  We aren't "Hebrew Israelites"; We are Catholics.

    The man is giving practical advise to men about protecting themselves from the proliferation of, and ubiquitous, predatory women. The point of the video is not to instruct us on the Faith. You fail at distinguishing the two. There's nothing wrong with a Catholic taking sound & practical advise and heeding wisdom from anyone who isn't Catholic, as long as it's not about the Faith. There is no heresy being committed here. You're using an ad hominem fallacy (the fact he's "Hebrew Israelite") to conceal your disdain for the truth he says about women.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #31 on: June 21, 2018, 09:28:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 21, 2018, 08:59:17 PM
    Explain why to back up your point, otherwise, it's null. How would a prenuptial agreement be a detriment or potentially harmful to women? How would it "be off"?

    The point of a prenuptial agreement is to protect a man from gold-digging women. There, I just provided a fact. Your turn...
    I can't speak for Jen, but I share her opinion. I would not want to marry a man asking for a pre-nuptial agreement.
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    The problem that I see is that a pre-nup seems to show a flawed understanding of marriage.  Divorce is never an option.  Why make plans for something that ought to be unthinkable? Asking for a pre-nup is saying that one does not trust one's spouse to keep his or her vows.  I would not want to marry someone who did not trust me.
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    My husband and I married 38 years ago.  Even then, people were starting to talk about pre-nups.  We rejected it because we did not see it as compatible with our Catholic faith nor with the love and trust we had for each other.
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    For the record, I agree that the system is against men and that they face a great deal of unfairness in terms of marriage.  It is a serious problem.  I just don't think a pre-nup is the right solution.
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    Offline Croix de Fer

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #32 on: June 21, 2018, 09:42:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on June 21, 2018, 09:28:58 PM
    I can't speak for Jen, but I share her opinion. I would not want to marry a man asking for a pre-nuptial agreement.
    Good. If a woman doesn't want to marry a man who wants a prenuptial agreement, then it's that much easier for the discerning man to filter out the wicked who is up to no good or doesn't understand the flaky nature of herself that is intrinsic to female nature due to the fall.


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    Divorce is never an option.  Why make plans for something that ought to be unthinkable? Asking for a pre-nup is saying that one does not trust one's spouse to keep his or her vows.  
    You live in La La Land. There are Catholics, even "trad Catholics", who get "divorced". The very fact we are all human makes us subject to falling and being corrupted. Men should protect themselves from being railroaded by the system and wicked women, especially in the wake of the highway robbery epidemic afflicting men that's sanctioned by courts to favor women the past 60 years, and getting worse.


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    I would not want to marry someone who did not trust me.
    And no man in his right mind should want to marry a woman who doesn't agree to a prenuptial agreement. If the woman truly loves the man, she would agree to it, and she'd understand the reasoning behind it. She would be supportive of it.

    And if the man doesn't love the woman, why would he ask her to marry him in the first place? You have no logical argument.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #33 on: June 21, 2018, 10:04:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 21, 2018, 08:59:17 PM
    Explain why to back up your point, otherwise, it's null. How would a prenuptial agreement be a detriment or potentially harmful to women? How would it "be off"?

    The point of a prenuptial agreement is to protect a man from gold-digging women. There, I just provided a fact. Your turn...
    I had a fairly lengthy reply all ready to send and my computer died.  :facepalm: I'm too sleepy to start over! Anyway, a lot of what I said was basically what Jayne said, so I'm not sure there is a point in writing it all down again, as you've already stated that you disagree. But I'll reply again tomorrow.
    I listened to a sermon by Fr. Ripperger once about prenuptial agreements. He said that were not consistent with the Catholic understanding of the marriage sacrament. I think he even advised not to marry someone who insisted on one, but I can't quite remember. I'll do my best to find it and link to it! I'm sure his words make much more sense than how I would manage to put it, anyway. 
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #34 on: June 21, 2018, 10:27:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: jen51 on June 21, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
    I had a fairly lengthy reply all ready to send and my computer died.  :facepalm: I'm too sleepy to start over! Anyway, a lot of what I said was basically what Jayne said, so I'm not sure there is a point in writing it all down again, as you've already stated that you disagree. But I'll reply again tomorrow.
    I listened to a sermon by Fr. Ripperger once about prenuptial agreements. He said that were not consistent with the Catholic understanding of the marriage sacrament. I think he even advised not to marry someone who insisted on one, but I can't quite remember. I'll do my best to find it and link to it! I'm sure his words make much more sense than how I would manage to put it, anyway.

    Don't bother. Just refer to my last response to Jayneks comments.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #35 on: June 21, 2018, 11:27:53 PM »
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    • Can. 1102 §1. A marriage subject to a condition about the future cannot be contracted validly.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #36 on: June 22, 2018, 03:29:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant on June 21, 2018, 11:27:53 PM
    Can. 1102 §1. A marriage subject to a condition about the future cannot be contracted validly.
    This canon actually affirms prenuptial agreements because the sneaky woman attempting to "divorce" the husband and steal his hard-earned assets, wealth, money & kids cannot truly divorce him in the Eyes of God, for they are still married, therefore, she has no right to steal what he has earned, saved and provided, thus, as a hedge in working with God's Law, but understood in worldly terms with worldly intentions, the prenuptial agreement, under State law, nullifies any power of the woman to effect this grand theft.

    In other words, the prenuptial agreement is in regard to a condition of "divorce" (a discordant, self-serving, loveless marriage) not the true state of marriage where man and woman live in harmony and love each other, therefore, a marriage is still a valid Sacrament when getting a prenuptial agreement.  

    Your post is a failure.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #37 on: June 22, 2018, 04:04:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 22, 2018, 03:29:51 AM
    This canon actually affirms prenuptial agreements because the sneaky woman attempting to "divorce" the husband and steal his hard-earned assets, wealth, money & kids cannot truly divorce him in the Eyes of God, for they are still married, therefore, she has no right to steal what he has earned, saved and provided, thus, as a hedge in working with God's Law, but understood in worldly terms with worldly intentions, the prenuptial agreement, under State law, nullifies any power of the woman to effect this grand theft.

    In other words, the prenuptial agreement is in regard to a condition of "divorce" (a discordant, self-serving, loveless marriage) not the true state of marriage where man and woman live in harmony and love each other, therefore, a marriage is still a valid Sacrament when getting a prenuptial agreement.  

    Your post is a failure.
    Or, even if the prenuptial agreement does invalidate a marriage, considering the huge epidemic of divorces recognized by the State, it would be good for the man that the marriage was never valid in the first place, because the prenuptial agreement protects him from legalized grand larceny committed by women who are favored by the courts to debase men in society. He can be proceed to marry another Catholic woman (who is, hopefully, not an anthropomorphic tapeworm in high heels), since he was never validly married in the first place.

    Either way, the prenuptial agreement is a win for the man as it protects him.

    And to reiterate, the man should never get a State marriage license, lest he lose his sovereignty as a man and set himself up as a target for legalized grand larceny by the woman in a State where common law marriages don't exist, and he doesn't get a prenuptial agreement. 

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #38 on: June 22, 2018, 06:19:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 21, 2018, 04:49:09 PM
    Oh, ignorant woman. The man, "pastor" Dowell, believes in and worships Jesus Christ. He calls himself a "Hebrew Israelite". It's a matter of semantics that he uses to identify himself and his community versus "Christians" from whom he dissociates and criticizes.

    I suggest you learn the facts before you open your soup cooler on the internet. Typical ignorant woman governed by emotions rather than the facts.
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    I wonder no more why you can't find a good lady
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    I will pray God softens your heart to those created by God.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #39 on: June 22, 2018, 06:28:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 22, 2018, 04:04:36 AM
    Or, even if the prenuptial agreement does invalidate a marriage, considering the huge epidemic of divorces recognized by the State, it would be good for the man that the marriage was never valid in the first place, because the prenuptial agreement protects him from legalized grand larceny committed by women who are favored by the courts to debase men in society. He can be proceed to marry another Catholic woman (who is, hopefully, not an anthropomorphic tapeworm in high heels), since he was never validly married in the first place.

    Either way, the prenuptial agreement is a win for the man as it protects him.

    And to reiterate, the man should never get a State marriage license, lest he lose his sovereignty as a man and set himself up as a target for legalized grand larceny by the woman in a State where common law marriages don't exist, and he doesn't get a prenuptial agreement.
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    You are a mess.
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    Perhaps men can help you understand why it is not good to live in mortal sin.  It seems the ladies just don't know how to get through to you.
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    God bless you and enlighten you.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #40 on: June 22, 2018, 08:04:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: TxTrad on June 22, 2018, 06:28:18 AM

    Perhaps men can help you understand why it is not good to live in mortal sin.  It seems the ladies just don't know how to get through to you.
    It's not a mortal sin, if the person(s) believe they are married when it's actually an invalid marriage. You're obviously not catechized on the Faith and sin, otherwise you would know that one of the conditions for committing mortal sin is consciously being aware of the sin and willfully engaging in it.


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    I wonder no more why you can't find a good lady
    In order to not find a good lady, first, a man has to be searching for one. I haven't searched for one in quite some time because I'm surrounded by daughters of Asmodeus, demonic slobs and walking vectors of spiritual H1N1-pandemic. There are no trad Catholics around where I live, and even the women who identify as "trad" should be suspect until they prove otherwise. :farmer:


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    God bless you and enlighten you.
    False sanctimonious piety from you. We know you're an insincere, two-legged erect pig with the Jezebel spirit. We can read between the lines.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #41 on: June 22, 2018, 08:49:15 AM »
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    • What's a summary example of what your prenup would say?

    I could see why one might be necessary.  A 'divorce' could happen on a legal level, for moral reasons, and the marriage not be affected.  For example, say a husband needs to 'divorce' his wife because she's addicted to meth and he needs to separate her from the children.  In this case, a 'divorce' would mean to protect his credit score, his bank account (so she can't steal $ for drugs), and his other property - so he can raise the children.

    I can see a prenup being needed if your wife accuses you of 'cheating' or some other b.s. and then tries to get your stuff.  In that case, my opinion is that a prenup would say "in the case of a civil divorce, all assets are split 50/50, in accordance with moral law, and if you decide to separate from me, no alimony is required in the future."

    Morally, a father would be required to support his children, but I wouldn't want a court getting involved in 'child support' payments.  Really, this whole topic is crazy to think about.  So many unknowns.

    ...But if you didn't get a marriage license, then why is a prenup even needed?


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    And to reiterate, the man should never get a State marriage license, lest he lose his sovereignty as a man and set himself up as a target for legalized grand larceny by the woman in a State where common law marriages don't exist, and he doesn't get a prenuptial agreement. 
    The avoiding of a marriage license is an interesting topic, from a legal perspective.  Not having one would affect many things (but there could still be a legal fix, you'd just have to put forth more effort to fix it).  For example, you would lose the "spouse is automatically legally recognized as your spouse" in:
    1.  Tax return.  I'm not sure you could file 'married, joint' anymore.
    2.  Will.  You'd have to hire an attorney to write up a good will to recognize your non-legal spouse.
    3.  Insurance, of all kinds.
    4.  Hospitals, life-or-death situation.  You'd have to make sure your non-legal spouse could be present/make decisions if you were in a coma, or even to visit you (in certain circuмstances)
    5.  ...I'm sure there's more.  Whatever situations that "gαy couples" had to face before the supreme court "ok'ed" their "unions" would apply.
     
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #42 on: June 22, 2018, 10:27:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 22, 2018, 03:29:51 AM
    This canon actually affirms prenuptial agreements because the sneaky woman attempting to "divorce" the husband and steal his hard-earned assets, wealth, money & kids cannot truly divorce him in the Eyes of God, for they are still married, therefore, she has no right to steal what he has earned, saved and provided, thus, as a hedge in working with God's Law, but understood in worldly terms with worldly intentions, the prenuptial agreement, under State law, nullifies any power of the woman to effect this grand theft.

    In other words, the prenuptial agreement is in regard to a condition of "divorce" (a discordant, self-serving, loveless marriage) not the true state of marriage where man and woman live in harmony and love each other, therefore, a marriage is still a valid Sacrament when getting a prenuptial agreement.  

    Your post is a failure.
    You just twist whatever you like to suit your narrative, don't you? Even those here who somewhat support you (And I do believe some of your complaints are valid) have got to see that there is something unhinged in your way of thinking. All I did was post cannon law in regards to pre-nups and you come unglued. Your disdain for women in general has warped you somehow. If this is the way you conduct yourself IRL, then the type of good traditional wife you are seeking will avoid you like the plague, and any wise men in her family would prevent your advances. 
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #43 on: June 22, 2018, 10:46:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 20, 2018, 07:25:17 PM
    Be sure to watch the last half, too, that's a reenactment of a man & woman on a dinner date. The true nature, thoughts & intentions of most women is superbly portrayed.


    Any so-called Catholic man who posts videos of a non-Catholic preacher who teaches that women are the enemy and men ought not get married has a serious screw loose and needs to have his head examined.


    I see you also endorse prenups.


    You must have had a very poor upbringing and a very poor formation as a Catholic.


    You have no concept of Catholic marriage at all.

    Unless I missed the part where Joseph had Mary sign a prenup. 


    Oh no, that's right: he TRUSTED HER.


    Croix de Fer is a moron polluting Catholic truth with this unCatholic nonsense.
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 10:55:36 AM »
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    • These ladies here are correct: you're single for a very good reason.

    Women can smell the stink of your BS a mile away.
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