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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: Men, the system is against you
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2018, 03:56:29 PM »
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  • The preacher is NOT even a CHRISTIAN.   This is a traditional Catholic forum.   There are plenty of CATHOLIC resources and videos in regards to courtship nowadays.  

     



    (Actually, most of my food is novus ordo Catholic produced.  ).  Most books and videos I view are by Catholics.  

    Don't be a heretic and promote a video made by someone who doesn't believe in JESUS.  

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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #16 on: June 21, 2018, 04:01:04 PM »
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    MGTOW is for men what feminism is for women.  Now they both have an alternative to following God's law in their own lives.
    You are toeing the feminist line with this type of thinking.  "Some women are wrong, therefore some men are wrong too."  BAD THINKING!  If you can't just admit that feminism is wrong, without also blaming men somehow, you are infected with feminist ideals (which most women are and don't know it).

    Feminism = the false ideal that men are 'out to get them' and subverts the natural order of society and women's natural instincts, therefore to knowingly hold such views is immoral and uncatholic.

    MGTOW (I'm definitely not an expert on what they believe, but as guys are simple, therefore their philosophies are pretty easy to figure out too, especially for a male) = a social response to the growing feminism philosophy which permeates not only dating but family life, the legal and educational system, career opportunities, and even most plots of movies (sadly).

    The gist of their philosophy is:  "Women are acting crazy and i'm not going to deal with it anymore.  Life has more to offer and I'm going to discover it, and do it my way, not how 'society' tells me too."  I don't get the feeling they are overtly hateful of women, but more apathetic and having a loss of interest in dealing with the "baggage" that most women bring to a relationship, not due to any bad decisions they've made (i.e. divorce or single motherhood) but simply due to their false and overly-idealistic (Disney/hollywood-inspired) expectations for marriage, family and life in general.  No one can live up to those expectations and once women realize that marriage is hard work, they either become bitter and complain or they divorce and look for someone new.  And they always blame men, for not giving them a "happy life".  News flash, dear:  Happiness comes from within.  You're not happy because you're overly selfish (which is totally contrary to women's natural instinct to help, nurture and sacrifice).

    Add to these issues, the consumerism that is rampant globally, the selfishness of the age, the impatience of our modern world, the lack of a true religious and spiritual outlook on life (which applies to men and women) and you have all the reasons in the world to understand why *some* men are not interested in marriage.  The risks outweigh the benefits.  They'd rather be single and happy than married and miserable.

    There's nothing immoral about staying single.  I don't see how the MGTOW philosophies, aside from those that propose cohabitation/fornication, are immoral.  For some (those in their 20s), this may help them to grow up, do their own thing and 'find themselves' (in a good way).  The millenial age is FILLED with the message that "if you're not dating anyone, you're a loser."  Anything that will keep them from listening to society's message is a good thing.  If they follow their natural inclinations, more than likely they'll mature far quicker than the effeminate and metro-sɛҳuąƖ men that society says are the norm.  Then, they'll probably get married.  For those in their 30s-40s who are following MGTOW, it's probably because they've been burned/divorced and are skittish about going through such craziness again.  Can't blame them.


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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #17 on: June 21, 2018, 04:02:08 PM »
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  • The preacher is NOT even a CHRISTIAN.   This is a traditional Catholic forum.   There are plenty of CATHOLIC resources and videos in regards to courtship nowadays.  

    (Actually, most of my food is novus ordo Catholic produced.  ).  Most books and videos I view are by Catholics.  

    Don't be a heretic and promote a video made by someone who doesn't believe in JESUS.  
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    I'm a little torn on the issue. 
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    But let's start by just cutting through the hyperbole.  Protestants of course "believe in JESUS", as you put it.  They err grievously in a variety of matters but they all believe that Jesus Christ is God made man, the Second person of the Holy Trinity, deserving of latria, and so on.  This isn't to apologize for them, it's just to say that let's not pretend that they're Muslims or Jєωs.  There's a reality that our minds should adhere to.
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    After that, it would be great if there was Catholic material that treated these issues.  There really isn't, and if there is, go ahead and share it.  But the Church is suffering and virtually incapacitated.  Now, if the video was patently religious, you'd have a point.  But it's patently secular, it's psychological, and its focus is on natural virtue and whatnot.  In those areas, non-Catholics are not entirely out of bounds.  And given that there aren't Catholics producing this type of material, it seems to me that while someone is more than entitled to ignore it, it's hardly an obvious evil that needs to be stomped out.  At worst, it's an inferior perspective that gets quite a few things right.  That's at worst.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #18 on: June 21, 2018, 04:17:09 PM »
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  • Whenever he speaks about the selfishness, psychosis & predatory ways of women, then I'll post his monologues.
    And will you post monologues of the selfless, generous, and heroic ways of women?  Do you pay attention to virtuous women?  Yes, there are plenty of them out there when you take the time to look.  They are not perfect, but they are virtuous.
    Or has it just come down to men looking for only what is wrong with women and women looking for only what is wrong with men?
    I think we could each have more respect for the opposite sex in general.  We all know there are dregs out there but rather than focus on them, let's spend more time encouraging each other; family, friends, acquaintances, and even the strangers here on CI to strive to be better people rather than castigating those who fall short of the ideal.

    How did Christ treat men and women?  How did Christ treat the sinner and the saint?

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #19 on: June 21, 2018, 04:22:05 PM »
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #20 on: June 21, 2018, 04:24:50 PM »
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  • Most ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs talk negative about women.  



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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #21 on: June 21, 2018, 04:43:38 PM »
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  • The pastor is not Protestant Christian.  He does not believe in JESUS.  You men are fools.  Go to your own pseudo trad forum.  What is wrong with you?  

    We know liberalism and feminism are sins.  We know this from Catholic resources.  



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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #22 on: June 21, 2018, 04:44:50 PM »
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  • Well like a typical woman you can't explain a simple point and have to ask people to watch a twenty minute video to understand you.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #23 on: June 21, 2018, 04:45:39 PM »
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  • There's nothing immoral about staying single.  I don't see how the MGTOW philosophies, aside from those that propose cohabitation/fornication, are immoral.  
    So, how many adherents of this philosophy do you think are actually remaining consistently celibate and not partaking of those  immoral acts? For those who claim to be practicing traditional Catholics, sounds like a precarious position to keep for long. I suppose some are called to consecrated chastity, but I think that those are the exceptions to the rule and aren't really what we're discussing here.

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #24 on: June 21, 2018, 04:49:09 PM »
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  • He ["pastor" Dowell] does not believe in JESUS.  You men are fools.  Go to your own pseudo trad forum.  What is wrong with you?  

    Oh, ignorant woman. The man, "pastor" Dowell, believes in and worships Jesus Christ. He calls himself a "Hebrew Israelite". It's a matter of semantics that he uses to identify himself and his community versus "Christians" from whom he dissociates and criticizes.

    I suggest you learn the facts before you open your soup cooler on the internet. Typical ignorant woman governed by emotions rather than the facts.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #25 on: June 21, 2018, 05:04:56 PM »
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  • Most ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs talk negative about women.  

    That might be true, but if you're implying that most men, who (rightfully) point out the negative in women, are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, then you suffer a fallacy in logic.

    From my observation, it seems that most women, who are very defensive towards men justly pointing out the slithery of most women, are hideous-looking, overweight, crypto-feminists who resent men because these women are rightfully under-appreciated.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #26 on: June 21, 2018, 06:47:34 PM »
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  • MGTOW is for men what feminism is for women.  Now they both have an alternative to following God's law in their own lives.

    MGTOW is, more or less, one of the defenses against feminism and the cultural & societal war against males, especially white males, for the past 50 years or more.

    The fact is women need men more than men need women. This truth is innately known by women, but it's repressed by their deluded egos anchored by their pride and the fake reality (matrix) in which they live.

    There are still some good women out there, but, as the Holy Bible tells us in Ecclesiastes 7:26-29 (Douay-Rheims), they are extremely rare. A Catholic man must search hard and use great discernment to find a woman who is suitable for marriage, and, at the very least, mere friendship.

    To reiterate a very important point, if any man gets married, NEVER allow the State as a 3rd Party contract to be involved in your marriage. Never get a state marriage license. This will help protect men against the subversive court system that is biased in favor of women. Marriage is between man, woman & God. Once you get the State involved, you lose your rights & sovereignty as a man.

    Also, get a prenuptial agreement. Never get married, if the woman doesn't want to get a prunupt, even when the State is excluded, and the marriage is solely conferred by the Church. If a woman rejects a prenupt, she is hiding an insidious plan and intention. Break up with her immediately.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #27 on: June 21, 2018, 07:40:22 PM »
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  • Truth is that most Catholics do have the wisdom to seek Catholic teaching which includes the New Testament and the Holy Trinity.  And it is the Latin Mass.  And Catholics need to instruct the ignorant.  We aren't "Hebrew Israelites"; We are Catholics. 
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #28 on: June 21, 2018, 08:33:09 PM »
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  • Also, get a prenuptial agreement. Never get married, if the woman doesn't want to get a prunupt, even when the State is excluded, and the marriage is solely conferred by the Church. If a woman rejects a prenupt, she is hiding an insidious plan and intention. Break up with her immediately.
    I see it the opposite. Any consideration of marrying a man would be off if he wanted a prenup. And I'm no gold digger. :)
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    Re: Men, the system is against you
    « Reply #29 on: June 21, 2018, 08:59:17 PM »
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  • I see it the opposite. Any consideration of marrying a man would be off if he wanted a prenup.

    Explain why to back up your point, otherwise, it's null. How would a prenuptial agreement be a detriment or potentially harmful to women? How would it "be off"?

    The point of a prenuptial agreement is to protect a man from gold-digging women. There, I just provided a fact. Your turn...

    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)