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Offline Caraffa

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Mel Gibson's classless Un-Catholic behavior continues...
« on: February 08, 2010, 09:24:03 PM »
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  • Comes across unrepentant and calls a reporter an a**hole:


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    Mel Gibson's classless Un-Catholic behavior continues...
    « Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 10:13:42 PM »
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  • Well, it's been my experience that when a Catholic leaves the faith, his or her behavior does pretty much go right downhill thereafter, so... really, no matter what this man (or any other fallen away person) may do now, should not be at all shocking to any of us. This is what life without grace, or life while trying to shut out God, looks like.

    It is the grace of God and the love of God that keeps us good. Throw that out, and there's nowhere left to go but down. That's true for every last one of us, not just Mel.

    We should keep this in mind rather than just acting all scandalized by what he's doing and gossiping about him. If we were not Catholic, or if we fell away, you can bet we'd all be doing some pretty darn messed up things too. Some of us might even be WORSE than him! >gasp<

     :faint:

    In other words... there but by the grace of God go every last one of us.

    We should remember that this is simply what happens to a person when they walk away from God, and try not to be unduly disturbed or scandalized by it. Rather, it should remind us only to be all the more vigilant about keeping our own Faith, and behaving ourselves in our own lives.
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi


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    Mel Gibson's classless Un-Catholic behavior continues...
    « Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 10:47:51 PM »
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  • Yes, that is true Dulcamara. Unfortunately I'm a perfect example of how one can go downhill when they move further away from God. Since I have not said the Rosary for 1 year and my morning/night prayers are either a few seconds long or not at all (when they used to be 15 minutes long), I have started cussing on a daily basis. I didn't say a bad word for 11 years until just this September. My prayer life has suffered because I don't have the mental energy to pray because of "caregiver's burnout". And gong to confession every week also made me a better Christian, but it has been since last Easter that I have gone (I choose to take a 30 minute nap instead). That is why I am not as good a Christian as I used to be.  :sad:

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    « Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 03:57:40 PM »
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    This is what life without grace, or life while trying to shut out God, looks like.


    Very true, what St Paul says at the end of Romans one comes to mind.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 04:19:08 PM »
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    Yes, that is true Dulcamara. Unfortunately I'm a perfect example of how one can go downhill when they move further away from God. Since I have not said the Rosary for 1 year and my morning/night prayers are either a few seconds long or not at all (when they used to be 15 minutes long), I have started cussing on a daily basis. I didn't say a bad word for 11 years until just this September. My prayer life has suffered because I don't have the mental energy to pray because of "caregiver's burnout". And gong to confession every week also made me a better Christian, but it has been since last Easter that I have gone (I choose to take a 30 minute nap instead). That is why I am not as good a Christian as I used to be.  :sad:


    The trick is to catch ourselves in those small sins that are starting to grow on us, before they cause us to fall into mortal sin and apostacy. Even if you cannot say the Rosary for some reason or the more vocal morning or evening prayers in the missale, there is a type of prayer which the saints and theologians agree is more powerful than all of these, mental prayer.
    Pray for me, always.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 05:41:30 PM »
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    Yes, that is true Dulcamara. Unfortunately I'm a perfect example of how one can go downhill when they move further away from God. Since I have not said the Rosary for 1 year and my morning/night prayers are either a few seconds long or not at all (when they used to be 15 minutes long), I have started cussing on a daily basis. I didn't say a bad word for 11 years until just this September. My prayer life has suffered because I don't have the mental energy to pray because of "caregiver's burnout". And gong to confession every week also made me a better Christian, but it has been since last Easter that I have gone (I choose to take a 30 minute nap instead). That is why I am not as good a Christian as I used to be.  :sad:


    Perhaps you should find someone to pray with?


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    « Reply #6 on: February 11, 2010, 02:25:34 AM »
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    The trick is to catch ourselves in those small sins that are starting to grow on us, before they cause us to fall into mortal sin and apostacy. Even if you cannot say the Rosary for some reason or the more vocal morning or evening prayers in the missale, there is a type of prayer which the saints and theologians agree is more powerful than all of these, mental prayer.


    How do you do mental prayer?

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    « Reply #7 on: February 11, 2010, 02:29:29 AM »
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    Perhaps you should find someone to pray with?



    Firstly, my family members aren't religious. Secondly, my problem is that either I do not have the time to pray (because I take care of Granny all the time and the little break I do get I take a nap for 30 minutes), or by the time I put Granny to bed, I am too mentally tired to pray.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 11, 2010, 04:04:41 PM »
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    The trick is to catch ourselves in those small sins that are starting to grow on us, before they cause us to fall into mortal sin and apostacy. Even if you cannot say the Rosary for some reason or the more vocal morning or evening prayers in the missale, there is a type of prayer which the saints and theologians agree is more powerful than all of these, mental prayer.


    How do you do mental prayer?


    There are different methods, but one does not have to use those. Mental prayer is simply openly praying and talking to Our Lord. As St. Theresa of Avila says, "Mental Prayer is nothing else than an intimate friendship, a frequent heart-to-heart with Him by whom we know ourselves to be loved."

    Pray for me, always.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 11, 2010, 04:17:31 PM »
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    How do you do mental prayer?


    TAN sells a booklet called Catechism of Mental Prayer --buy it.  It costs $2 or so.

    IMO, moderns should NOT go into something like this with a VAGUE notion like, "Just talk to Jesus."
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #10 on: February 11, 2010, 04:35:02 PM »
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    IMO, moderns should NOT go into something like this with a VAGUE notion like, "Just talk to Jesus."


    Yes, I know what you mean especially in the context of American Christianity. One should always seek Traditional guidance. I take it that Alex is a Traditional leaning Catholic and therefore understands were I'm coming from. I would not tell someone who is unconverted to "just talk to Jesus."
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    « Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 08:38:00 AM »
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  • For the sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;
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    « Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 01:51:42 PM »
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    Perhaps you should find someone to pray with?



    Firstly, my family members aren't religious. Secondly, my problem is that either I do not have the time to pray (because I take care of Granny all the time and the little break I do get I take a nap for 30 minutes), or by the time I put Granny to bed, I am too mentally tired to pray.


    Well, one thing we Catholics also frequently forget, is that we can pray, in a sense, by our whole lives, not just with our words. When we are doing our duty, if we do it because we know it is pleasing to God, and we mean it as an act of loving service to Him, then we are basically "praying" by our whole lives. We may not have much time for vocal prayers or deep meditations, but every human act can be done with love for God, as long as it is good.

    The practice or habit of doing this... raising our minds and hearts to God in our very duties and those things that could otherwise separate us from Him... we are uniting ourselves to Him in a practical and loving way. Moreover, because we train ourselves to think of our daily duties and chores as things we do for Christ rather than just family or ourselves, that mindset also effects WHAT we do... what kind of job we are doing in our duties.

    A person, for example, who is a writer, and writes to enjoy or excite themselves, or others only, is subject to no end of temptations to resort to impure or violent things in their work, because, as the world and the flesh tell them "they're exciting". Not only in terms of what is done or said in the work, but even in the narrative, by the way and tone in which things are presented, these sick and sinful things creep in. But to the person who writes to excite themselves or others, they easily convince themselves almost anything is acceptable, so long as it accomplishes that (being "exciting"), because they mistakenly believe this is the only way to produce interesting and captivating work that will be read. (A devilish lie if ever there was one.)

    But the person who writes for God, out of a sense of love and duty to God, who knows and recognizes their talent comes from Him, and must be used for Him, and who reminds themselves that they must answer for where they lead minds, hearts and souls by their work, will take the time to learn where the dangers in their work are, and diligently fight to avoid them. They will be always keeping an eye out for dangerous things that have crept in, and will not spare their work or personal feelings, in order to cut out all that is dangerous, for the sake of God and souls. By doing so, not only will they perfect their work MORALLY, but also even artistically, technically, etc... because morality and sanctity train the mind in countless ways we do not normally think or notice, and will teach it to find good and more perfect ways of accomplishing things.

    If a child wants to know how to do something, a GOOD child will watch it's parents, and try to do as they do. A bad-mannered, or self-willed child, will probably just try to figure it out themselves, no matter what kind of disaster they make of things doing it, and then stubbornly insist that their way (however obviously bad or wrong) is right. If I want to know how to do something well, I must look at my heavenly parents, Jesus and Mary. If I live for them, then they (and the saints) become my pattern in EVERYTHING. In this way, so long as I adhere to living this way, and to whatever degree I succeed, all that I do will be directed by the highest virtue and insight (of God and the saints). If I do everything for myself, or just because I have to, without thinking about it or without including God in the picture, I am sure to do it badly, as my flesh, temptations, impatience and imperfections all get in the way, and destroy and corrupt whatever I am trying to do.

    This example is the difference between living for God... praying by our lives... and living as the atheists and agnostics do, simply doing duty for duty's sake, or at best for their own sake.

    This is ALSO at the heart of the tragedy of "Sunday Catholicism". How can people seriously think that the only time God can be in their lives, or cares what they do, or should be obeyed, is on Sunday, when they "have time for Him," and that on Monday-Saturday, that's the "REAL world" or "REAL life", which has got little or nothing (they say) to do with God?

    The fact is, EVERY INSTANT OF OUR EXISTENCE, from conception to eternity, concerns God, God's laws and our willingness to cooperate with Him and His plan for us. If we think that being Catholic means ONLY the sacraments, the Ten Commandments and the rosary, and nothing else, we have already, in our minds and hearts, "dethroned" our Divine King from the rest of our life that we have decided "has nothing to do with Him". But by recognizing that every instant we live, we are in His sight, must obey His law, and can do every human act, however trivial, for the love of Him, we not only fulfill what is meant by "serving Him,"  but in fact we live for Him, in Him, with Him... He and our thoughts of Him sanctify our lives and our work, give us strength and patience where we would otherwise have none, and make us mindful of pitfalls that wait for us in our daily lives if we try to live without Him.

    If we want do everything for Him (or at least intend to generally and sincerely), then we also must strive to remind ourselves that work need not be something that takes us away from Him, but that rather by doing it FOR Him, and out of love for Him in particular, we will draw far closer to Him than we will by hasty rosaries between godless living.

    Prayer is important, but having the spirit of God and the saints in our lives is in a sense even more important. Prayer quickly becomes poor and shoddy when we have no real love of God in our hearts, or we never think of Him outside of that 15 minutes when we say our vocal prayers. But our prayers will be much better if we live united in this way to God, doing everything for the love of Him. We must grow and cultivate that love in our hearts, training our hearts and minds to turn to Him habitually (it's hard to do at first!), and our flesh to be subject to the spirit of the love of God... that is, training our flesh to submit to inconvenience, pain, sacrifice, etc., in order to accomplish our duties well for the love of God.

    But just like a person waking from a coma may have atrophied muscles, and cannot begin by getting out of bed and running a marathon, neither can we acquire this way of life overnight, or from one moment to the next. We must firstly want it, make up our minds to pursue it, and then, day by day, in the doing of our daily duties, learn how to actually do it. Learn, in the midst of frustration and exhaustion to turn our thoughts even momentarily to God and remember that it is all for the love of Him, and in reparation for our sins. We must start small, and build up these good habits, until, one day, our minds naturally and habitually think that way without any more strenuous conscious effort on our part.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 14, 2010, 03:11:50 AM »
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    « Reply #14 on: February 14, 2010, 03:36:43 AM »
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    How do you do mental prayer?


    TAN sells a booklet called Catechism of Mental Prayer --buy it.  It costs $2 or so.

    IMO, moderns should NOT go into something like this with a VAGUE notion like, "Just talk to Jesus."


    I'm going to buy that booklet. Thanks.

    Alex, I will  :pray: for you. Your loyalty and charity to your grandmother will not go unrewarded.
    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.