Author Topic: Mel and Hutton Gibson (Read 7707 times)

Hozjusz · « **on:** January 15, 2013, 03:14:19 PM »

1. Huttons divorce - true?
2. There is any way to contact them, despite of Huttons www?
3. Are they attending now somewhere?
4. Have they maybe co-operated with bp Vizelis? Seems that both, bishop and Hutton were very radical.
5. Someone know how they were setting Mass centers? People, priest?

Thanks

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2013, 09:03:03 PM »

Quote from: Hozjusz

1. Huttons divorce - true?
2. There is any way to contact them, despite of Huttons www?
3. Are they attending now somewhere?
4. Have they maybe co-operated with bp Vizelis? Seems that both, bishop and Hutton were very radical.
5. Someone know how they were setting Mass centers? People, priest?

Thanks

From a generous, kind soul who actually does know the people about whom you are inquiring:

"1.Yes, it's true. Hutton and Joye split last year. 2. It might be possible to contact Hutton c/o Holy Family Chapel, Agoura Hills, CA, writing would be the best. 3. Hutton from last I heard still assists at HFC. 4. Can't confirm Bp Vizelis, I believe Mel's children were all confirmed by a Bishop (with orders pre-1970 for validity) from Hermosillo some years ago. HFC is not affiliated with the SSPX, the L.A. Diocese, or any other group that adheres to the Vatican II doctrine(s). 5. They are not setting up "mass centers", this is an independent chapel that was established to carry on the Deposit of Faith, unaltered. They will only accept validly ordained (pre-1970) priests to say Mass according to the Tridentine Rite promulgated by Pope Pius V."

For the record, I am not the generous, kind soul providing this info. I am usually cantankerous, bumptious and disinclined to do favors for strangers. Oh, and the actual provider of said info is a MUCH better marksman than I, as well.

wallflower · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2013, 04:41:43 PM »

Why did I think Hutton had passed away? Was he really sick for a while maybe? Well, I'm glad to hear he is ok.

Sigismund · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:34:44 PM »

They will only accept priests who were ordained before 1970? HFC will have a limited life span then.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2013, 03:49:53 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

They will only accept priests who were ordained before 1970? HFC will have a limited life span then.

If you try to ask about that you get put on their hot list pretty quickly.

They know how to weed out trouble from the get-go. We see a lot of
that kind of thing going on now with the SSPX, too, but these are not
related, so they say.

They built a nice church in the hills, but how are they going to keep it
running with the rules they've set up? At some point they'll have to
import CMRI or ST. Pius V or something else -- sede, of course.

Thursday · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2013, 06:23:40 AM »

Quote from: wallflower

Why did I think Hutton had passed away? Was he really sick for a while maybe? Well, I'm glad to hear he is ok.

Yes, he was really sick but he turned out to be ok although he hasn't sent out his newsletter for a while. A few years now. He must be getting up there 95 or so.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2013, 01:56:04 PM »

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Why did I think Hutton had passed away? Was he really sick for a while maybe? Well, I'm glad to hear he is ok.

As an avid defender of the Gibson family in the past, I have to say that I am glad that Hutton still lives, considering his contemptible comments about Father Bolduc that still remain on his website. I hope that God is merciful to him, and he becomes aware of his public libelous comments against him, and has them removed before he faces his judgment.

The evidence is clear. None of what he wrote about Father Bolduc was true.

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=2&xmldoc=19841482586FSupp896_11315.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985&SizeDisp=7

Further, I hope he makes a public apology before his death, for keeping those things published on his website.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #7 on:** January 18, 2013, 02:22:26 PM »

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http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=2&xmldoc=19841482586FSupp896_11315.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985&SizeDisp=7

Further, I hope he makes a public apology before his death, for keeping those things published on his website.

I hope so, too! :shocked: Am I mistaken that Mr. Gibson also said some things against Fr. Malachi Martin?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** January 18, 2013, 02:46:15 PM »

That's not to mention the fact that, in his filth-infested book "Lefebvre Unmasked" he called Archbishop Lefebvre an "instrument of satan" and made the ridiculous charge that the Archbishop was "invalidly ordained".

Hutton does need to repent for these statements.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2013, 03:49:11 PM »

I read somewhere that Mel took conservatorship of his dad, and filed for divorce on his behalf. Supposedly he felt that his dad's best interests were not being protected somehow. Not sure it is true. Take it for what its worth.

Sigismund · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2013, 08:08:43 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Sigismund
They will only accept priests who were ordained before 1970? HFC will have a limited life span then.

If you try to ask about that you get put on their hot list pretty quickly.

They know how to weed out trouble from the get-go. We see a lot of
that kind of thing going on now with the SSPX, too, but these are not
related, so they say.

They built a nice church in the hills, but how are they going to keep it
running with the rules they've set up? At some point they'll have to
import CMRI or ST. Pius V or something else -- sede, of course.

Or they will end up as home aloners with a pretty building.

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2013, 08:09:56 PM »

Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti

That's not to mention the fact that, in his filth-infested book "Lefebvre Unmasked" he called Archbishop Lefebvre an "instrument of satan" and made the ridiculous charge that the Archbishop was "invalidly ordained".

Hutton does need to repent for these statements.

Good heavens. If he wasn't validly ordained, who is?

magdalena · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2013, 08:19:04 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
That's not to mention the fact that, in his filth-infested book "Lefebvre Unmasked" he called Archbishop Lefebvre an "instrument of satan" and made the ridiculous charge that the Archbishop was "invalidly ordained".

Hutton does need to repent for these statements.

Good heavens. If he wasn't validly ordained, who is?

Whether he was or wasn't, we are at the Mercy of God.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2013, 10:46:52 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
That's not to mention the fact that, in his filth-infested book "Lefebvre Unmasked" he called Archbishop Lefebvre an "instrument of satan" and made the ridiculous charge that the Archbishop was "invalidly ordained".

Hutton does need to repent for these statements.

Good heavens. If he wasn't validly ordained, who is?

Some people believe that Archbishop Lefebvre was invalidly ordained because he was (supposedly) ordained by a Freemason (Cardinal Leinart).

Not only has it never been proven that Cardinal Leinart was a Freemason, but even if he was, saying that would make the Archbishop's ordination invalid would contradict what was taught by Pope Leo XIII and St. Thomas Aquinas.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2013, 10:53:47 PM »

For reference, this is what they say:

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“In the words uttered by (the minister), the intention of the Church is expressed; and this suffices for the validity of the sacrament, EXCEPT THE CONTRARY BE EXPRESSED EXTERIORLY on the part of the minister”. - St. Thomas Aquinas

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“Concerning the mind or intention, inasmuch as it is in itself something internal, the Church does not pass judgment; but in so far as it is externally manifested, she is bound to judge of it. Now, if in order to effect and confer a Sacrament a person has seriously and correctly used the due matter and form, he is for that very reason presumed to have intended to do what the Church does. It is on this principle that the doctrine is solidly founded which holds as a true Sacrament that which is conferred by the ministry of a heretic or of a non-baptized person, as long as it is conferred in the Catholic rite.“ - Pope Leo XIII

So, as long as the ordaining Bishop or Cardinal, whether he is Catholic or a heretic, observes externally the rite perscribed for the sacrament, according to Church teaching, he must be presumed to have the right intention and thus, the sacrament must be presumed to be valid.