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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: LaramieHirsch on June 03, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
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I don't understand. I often thought that Medjugorge was false, and that there was a great amount of demonic activity there. I've read a lot of reviews about how deception is occurring there.
Yet, it appears that the Vatican is edging its way to accepting the apparitions?
First, this article, but also, there are other articles on that website that imply that the Vatican is about to acknowledge it as a real apparition.
Thoughts, people?
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http://www.medjugorjetoday.tv/5777/rome-may-give-medjugorje-new-bishop/
Rome may give Medjugorje new bishopBy Jakob Marschner on Jun 3, 2012
While only very little has leaked from the Vatican Commission on Medjugorje, four possible outcomes are in play, a major Croatian newspaper has unofficially learned. Two of them will remove the influence of the Bishop of Mostar who does not believe in the apparitions.
The old bridge Stari Most is the landmark of Mostar. Two possible Vatican scenarios of the future of Medjugorje will place the parish outside of the diocese of Mostar, a major Croatian daily has learned from un-named sources
Recognition or condemnation of the claims of apparitions is not the main focus of the Vatican Commission appointed to investigate the events of Medjugorje. The more pressing issue is the future administration of the place.
Among four possible recommendations of the Commission, two will lead to Medjugorje no longer being under the jurisdiction of Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar. In one of these options, the Vatican will assume control of Medjugorje itself. In the other, the diocese of Mostar will be split in two, the Croatian newspaper Vecernji List writes without naming sources.
Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar
“Unofficially we have been informed that the game has four options. First, status quo remains, and Medjugorje will still be under the jurisdiction of Bishop Peric of Mostar who usually argues that there has never been any apparitions in the parish” the paper sums up the first option.
“But considering that millions of pilgrims are coming to Medjugorje, this option would also acknowledge the reality: It would acquire the status of at least a place of prayer and would be required to adopt ‘rules of the game’” journalist Zarko Ivkovic further reports in Vecernji List.
One year ago, Ivkovic was the main author of the book “Misterij Medjugorja” in which unclassified docuмents from the Yugoslavian secret police shed new light on the early days and years of Medjugorje.
Two scenarios of new governance
Though two of the four possible recommendations involve a new ecclesiastical governance of Medjugorje, the Croatian newspaper only uses the term “very radical” about one of them:
The Commission headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini (right) will submit its findings and recommendations to Pope Benedict XVI through the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before the end of 2012, Commission member Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo informed in February
“In the second option, the Pope would appoint his own delegates to Medjugorje, who would be responsible for the parish, and the Vatican’s decisions would be implemented on the ground through its Franciscan Commissioner. In this case, an official statute to determine the rules of action in this area would be given. The Bishop of Mostar would no longer have jurisdiction over Medjugorje.”
Today, the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno-Trebinje-Mrkan is the official name of the diocese usually referred to as Mostar. The third option changes this, to place Medjugorje in a new-established diocese, splitting in effect the diocese of Mostar in two:
The Bishop's Palace in Mostar. Two of the four Vatican scenarios for Medjugorje cited by Vecernji List place the parish outside of its reach
“The third option is a very radical. It envisages the establishment of the Diocese of Trebinje-Mrkan with the parish of Medjugorje as a part of it. This means that the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno will be territorially reduced, and the Pope would then appoint new bishops to Mostar, and assume jurisdiction over Medjugorje” writes Vecernji List.
“According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”
Other informations given to Vecernji List confirm previous reports that the Vatican Commission gives priority to studying the early days of the apparitions, and that Vatican officials have visited Medjugorje incognito, the latter most likely a fact since long before the Commission was formed in March 2010. Other aspects are new:
“The Commission extensively examines various docuмents, especially considering the events in the early days of the apparitions, and we unofficially learned that teams of experts are investigating miraculous healings. It is also interesting that the parish of Medjugorje has had incognito visits of people from the Vatican in order to determine the authenticity of the pastoral work of the Franciscans” the major Croatian newspaper writes.
Headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the Vatican Commission will submit its report and recommendations to The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which will take the report to Pope Benedict XVI who makes the final decision. The report is expected later this year.
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Laramie, what is true to a modernist depends on the context and who believes it is true.
So long as you're not really Catholic.
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“According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”
Off course they won't condemn it outright and this just further demonstrates the faithless corruption within the Concilliar Church. The pilgrimages to Medjugorje bring in too much money for them to condemn it. The Medjugorje pilgrimages are also becoming more popular and not less. Last year they had their highest number of visitors ever at over two million.
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Still 25% chance of disapproval
Or you could say 50% chance of approval or disapproval
Article is pro-Med, so naturally written optimistic either way
Percents not actual chances
Post-V2 Church still full of surprises
Unfortunately post-V2 Church going either way with Med will be a surprise
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Of course the modernists believe it's real, because they believe in the very warm, fuzzy crap that Medjugorje is all about.
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Went to Med news site
Watched Youtube apparition vids
It's just some woman staring at something and nodding
Probably going to tell people she said holy holy sounding things
Mythos already there so easy to believe
One of my college days' achievements was debunking Pentecostalism
Med works same way
But then I'm not Med expert
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Of course they won't condemn it outright ...
Oh my. What if?
Been waiting for a few years, now, on a definitive decision on this apparition.
To think, they might go through all this, and still leave everything in the gray.
Just like Fatima. There's nothing solid.
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Would be in line with the Church mission to be definite
Salvation of souls is important
Better to tell people now whether fraud
If fraud, how many souls are in jeopardy because of no definite judgment?
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To think, they might go through all this, and still leave everything in the gray.
That's what I think will happen Laramie. Even though the last two bishops of Mostar-Duvno, Zanic and Peric, have denounced the apparitions at Medugorje, the first stronger than the second, the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Bertone under none other than Cardinal Ratzinger stated in 1997 that these denunciations were only their "private opinions" and not the official ruling of the Church. The precedent has already been set.
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If you think about it, Medj is the perfect apparition for the masonic New Order Religion. It's already got its own doctrines, saints and now it needs a good apparition.
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Of course the modernists believe it's real, because they believe in the very warm, fuzzy crap that Medjugorje is all about.
Modernists don't believe in apparitions at all, so no, modernists do not believe in Medj. The people who tend to believe in Medj. are those who are otherwise devout Catholics, but who aren't being fed the real meat of true Catholicism, and chase after apparitions. In fact they have much in common with (some) traditionalists in that they don't respect the authority of the local bishop.
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Medjugorje is by and for the Charismatics, which is a branch or sect of Modernism. Modernism is all for sensationalism as well as touchy feelly emotionalism, so yes, Medjugorje is definitely a Modernist manifestation.
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You need a valid Pope to approve an apparition that is not contrary to faith and morals. Valid local bishops can do it but in a world with a Catholic Pope I would wait for his approval. We can find the truth, which apparitions always stress, in Catholic Catechisms approved by valid Popes.
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I don't understand. I often thought that Medjugorge was false, and that there was a great amount of demonic activity there. I've read a lot of reviews about how deception is occurring there.
Yet, it appears that the Vatican is edging its way to accepting the apparitions?
First, this article, but also, there are other articles on that website that imply that the Vatican is about to acknowledge it as a real apparition.
Thoughts, people?
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If Vatican II approves the apparitions, the novus ordites will just have to go along with it. They already go along with mass facing the people, communion in the hand, ecuмenism stretched to the point of everybody's truth being the truth, eucharistic ministers, the greatly distorted concept of "people of god"...
...throw this in to the stew and it really won't make a ripple.
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I don't understand. I often thought that Medjugorge was false, and that there was a great amount of demonic activity there. I've read a lot of reviews about how deception is occurring there.
Yet, it appears that the Vatican is edging its way to accepting the apparitions?
First, this article, but also, there are other articles on that website that imply that the Vatican is about to acknowledge it as a real apparition.
Thoughts, people?
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http://www.medjugorjetoday.tv/5777/rome-may-give-medjugorje-new-bishop/
Rome may give Medjugorje new bishopBy Jakob Marschner on Jun 3, 2012
While only very little has leaked from the Vatican Commission on Medjugorje, four possible outcomes are in play, a major Croatian newspaper has unofficially learned. Two of them will remove the influence of the Bishop of Mostar who does not believe in the apparitions.
The old bridge Stari Most is the landmark of Mostar. Two possible Vatican scenarios of the future of Medjugorje will place the parish outside of the diocese of Mostar, a major Croatian daily has learned from un-named sources
Recognition or condemnation of the claims of apparitions is not the main focus of the Vatican Commission appointed to investigate the events of Medjugorje. The more pressing issue is the future administration of the place.
Among four possible recommendations of the Commission, two will lead to Medjugorje no longer being under the jurisdiction of Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar. In one of these options, the Vatican will assume control of Medjugorje itself. In the other, the diocese of Mostar will be split in two, the Croatian newspaper Vecernji List writes without naming sources.
Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar
“Unofficially we have been informed that the game has four options. First, status quo remains, and Medjugorje will still be under the jurisdiction of Bishop Peric of Mostar who usually argues that there has never been any apparitions in the parish” the paper sums up the first option.
“But considering that millions of pilgrims are coming to Medjugorje, this option would also acknowledge the reality: It would acquire the status of at least a place of prayer and would be required to adopt ‘rules of the game’” journalist Zarko Ivkovic further reports in Vecernji List.
One year ago, Ivkovic was the main author of the book “Misterij Medjugorja” in which unclassified docuмents from the Yugoslavian secret police shed new light on the early days and years of Medjugorje.
Two scenarios of new governance
Though two of the four possible recommendations involve a new ecclesiastical governance of Medjugorje, the Croatian newspaper only uses the term “very radical” about one of them:
The Commission headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini (right) will submit its findings and recommendations to Pope Benedict XVI through the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before the end of 2012, Commission member Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo informed in February
“In the second option, the Pope would appoint his own delegates to Medjugorje, who would be responsible for the parish, and the Vatican’s decisions would be implemented on the ground through its Franciscan Commissioner. In this case, an official statute to determine the rules of action in this area would be given. The Bishop of Mostar would no longer have jurisdiction over Medjugorje.”
Today, the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno-Trebinje-Mrkan is the official name of the diocese usually referred to as Mostar. The third option changes this, to place Medjugorje in a new-established diocese, splitting in effect the diocese of Mostar in two:
The Bishop's Palace in Mostar. Two of the four Vatican scenarios for Medjugorje cited by Vecernji List place the parish outside of its reach
“The third option is a very radical. It envisages the establishment of the Diocese of Trebinje-Mrkan with the parish of Medjugorje as a part of it. This means that the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno will be territorially reduced, and the Pope would then appoint new bishops to Mostar, and assume jurisdiction over Medjugorje” writes Vecernji List.
“According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”
Other informations given to Vecernji List confirm previous reports that the Vatican Commission gives priority to studying the early days of the apparitions, and that Vatican officials have visited Medjugorje incognito, the latter most likely a fact since long before the Commission was formed in March 2010. Other aspects are new:
“The Commission extensively examines various docuмents, especially considering the events in the early days of the apparitions, and we unofficially learned that teams of experts are investigating miraculous healings. It is also interesting that the parish of Medjugorje has had incognito visits of people from the Vatican in order to determine the authenticity of the pastoral work of the Franciscans” the major Croatian newspaper writes.
Headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the Vatican Commission will submit its report and recommendations to The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which will take the report to Pope Benedict XVI who makes the final decision. The report is expected later this year.
Medjugorje is Charismatic - which is a form of Pentecostalism - condemned by the Church in addition it attempts to legitimize Religious Indifferentism a Heresy likewise condemned by the Church.
All Religions are not from GOD.
Only one Church is from GOD - the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church.
The Blessed Virgin Mary doesnt come to Earth to tell us things we already know hundreds of times.
The whole Medjugorje hoax is an embarrassment.
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I still think chances are Med won't get the nod
One thing we can't forget about post-V2 Church
Even if its bishops are a little quiet or confusing
post-V2 Church still cracking down on mod nuns
not giving up on same-sex "marriage" or abortion either
Giving up on these issues would be easier than staying the course
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STILL cracking down on mod nuns?! Where were you in the 70's & 80's?
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Time moves slow in Catholic Church
Did you expect SSPX to succeed within 30-40 years?
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Of course the modernists believe it's real, because they believe in the very warm, fuzzy crap that Medjugorje is all about.
Modernists don't believe in apparitions at all, so no, modernists do not believe in Medj. The people who tend to believe in Medj. are those who are otherwise devout Catholics, but who aren't being fed the real meat of true Catholicism, and chase after apparitions. In fact they have much in common with (some) traditionalists in that they don't respect the authority of the local bishop.
Perhaps it's because a lot of novus ordo bishops aren't trustworthy? Neither the trads nor the hopeful place their trust in them.
The Bishops pushed hard for the novus ordo with it's everybody's truth is the truth and then they continued to push with large chunks of Catholics walking away.
I guess caring about souls is the last thing on a novus ordo bishop's mind.
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The Blessed Virgin Mary doesnt come to Earth to tell us things we already know hundreds of times.
Good call!!!
:applause: :applause: :applause:
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Time moves slow in Catholic Church
Did you expect SSPX to succeed within 30-40 years?
Hey troll, SSPX succeeded immediately upon it's establishment because success is defined as maintaining Catholic tradition!
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NyIndech, what are you talking about?! What does the SPPX have to do with this (Medjugorje)? Me no comprende.
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I read somewhere that Sister Lucy of Fatima was asked about the
Medjuqorge apparitions, and she replied that the Blessed Mother is
not appearing at Medjuqorge.
I do not remember the source, but it is someplace online.
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NyIndech, what are you talking about?! What does the SPPX have to do with this (Medjugorje)? Me no comprende.
It was an example
Keep forgetting that CathInfo is the forum where people don't read good
Usually write for people who pick up examples
And actually read posts
And post charitably
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How 'bout saying, "for example....' for us slow ones then? Would make it easier for all.
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Because some people are spoiling for a fight
And some others seem like they log in here to vent anger on others
So it won't matter if I say "fer 'zample" because it'll be overlooked
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Time moves slow in Catholic Church
Did you expect SSPX to succeed within 30-40 years?
Hey troll, SSPX succeeded immediately upon it's establishment because success is defined as maintaining Catholic tradition!
:cheers:
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Because some people are spoiling for a fight
And some others seem like they log in here to vent anger on others
So it won't matter if I say "fer 'zample" because it'll be overlooked
:cry:
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I don't see how the article dated June 3rd implies that Rome is about to give approval to Medjugorje. It makes perfect sense to me that the Church would appoint a bishop who is completely unbiased to look into the alleged apparitions in order to get to the bottom of this matter and either affirm or put an end to this nonsense once and for all. Also I have read that both JPll and Pope Benedict XVl personally don't believe anything supernatural is happening there. Since the Church is protected by the Holy Spirit and these apparitions prove to be false, there is no way the Church will give them any recognition.
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if Mary really appeared 40000 times since the 80s
why didn't John Paul II pretty much live there?
If Mary really appeared all those times
Why didn't John Paul II approve it in his lifetime?
Mary showing up anywhere is pretty significant
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I don't see how the article dated June 3rd implies that Rome is about to give approval to Medjugorje. It makes perfect sense to me that the Church would appoint a bishop who is completely unbiased to look into the alleged apparitions in order to get to the bottom of this matter and either affirm or put an end to this nonsense once and for all. Also I have read that both JPll and Pope Benedict XVl personally don't believe anything supernatural is happening there. Since the Church is protected by the Holy Spirit and these apparitions prove to be false, there is no way the Church will give them any recognition.
Heretics arent protected by the Holy Ghost - therefore - just like in the case of The Escriva "Canonization" it will all come down to money
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I don't see how the article dated June 3rd implies that Rome is about to give approval to Medjugorje. It makes perfect sense to me that the Church would appoint a bishop who is completely unbiased to look into the alleged apparitions in order to get to the bottom of this matter and either affirm or put an end to this nonsense once and for all. Also I have read that both JPll and Pope Benedict XVl personally don't believe anything supernatural is happening there. Since the Church is protected by the Holy Spirit and these apparitions prove to be false, there is no way the Church will give them any recognition.
Heretics arent protected by the Holy Ghost - therefore - just like in the case of The Escriva "Canonization" it will all come down to money
Money makes a huge difference to Benedict XVI. Since Medge is a cash cow for the tourism industry in Yugoslavia, Benedict won't touch it. To him, apparently, the money is much more important than the faith. It's like he believes in the shekels instead of Catholic doctrine.
Don't forget what Fr. Pfeiffer had to say about the event of 1990 (from his sermon on Pentecost Sunday, minute 20 +/-):
That same year, bishop Zanic comes from Yugoslavia.
He visits Rome. He visits .. Cardinal Ratzinger, and he says,
Cardinal Ratzinger, you are the head of the Congregation for the
Docrine of the Faith.
I am the bishop of Medjugoria, in Yugoslavia. And in
Medjugorje they are liars.
In Medjugorje are enemies of God. In Medjugorje
The priest is sleeping with nuns. In Medjugorje it is a "faith miracle,"
and people are coming from all over the world, and I have
condemned it but they won't listen to me.
Can you please make a public proclamation from Rome, condemning Medjugorje?
And do you know what Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger said?
Zanich, you take care of it. There are too many friends of Medjugorje here.
I will not condemn it, but I agree with you.
His name was Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger.
IMHO Medge fits hand-in-glove with the Novus Ordo imposter liturgy, and most parish priests all over the world will no more speak against Medge than they would speak against the fake liturgy they practice every day.
Scripture says test everything. All the saints who had apparitions tested them. A simple test exposes false ones, usually. But in Medjugorje, the fantasy is far more important than the truth, as so it is with everyone who goes there. I have known tourists who come back saying their rosary "turned to gold" in Medjugorje when they were there. I ask to see the rosary, and what they show me is a silver or chrome plated brass wire rosary that has the plating wearing off. Then I ask them if they have taken it to a Jєωeler to see if it is really gold, and they always answer that they wouldn't dare question the miracle. Well, then of course, without being tested, any scam avoids exposure.
That said, the mere fact that Rome has refrained from any definitive pronouncement all these years speaks volumes. The Church doesn't need to give any approval of it, when merely saying nothing about it is taken to mean the same thing as approval, in the minds of the rebels who flock there on "vacation." As Fr. Pfeiffer observed, even if Benedict in private takes sides with the local bishop who condemns the fake apparitions there, he isn't going to say so in public, because "there are too many friends of Medjugorje" in Rome. Which probably means if he condemned it, Benedict would have to let go of the profits his "friends" share, and he would lose his cut, somehow.
Did Benedict put a stop to the NeoCatechumenal Way nonsense? On the contrary he gave it approval! And that can be seen to be worse than Medjugorje's apparitions, as it involves what would seem to be the Mass itself (but it's merely an abomination, standing in the holy place -- let the reader understand).
Any news will likely be more ambiguity that does not "get to the bottom of this matter and either affirm or put an end to this nonsense once and for all." It would be great if that were the case, but sadly, don't hold your breath.
There isn't going to be any improvement until the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary takes place, as Our Lady requested 80 or 90 years ago. This is a good example of things that will not get better until then.
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Wrong to assume Church won't say no to Med
Sure Med seems to fit in with the NO crowd
I know NO people who believe in Med like it was written in the Gospels
However American nuns been behaving bad for years
They seem to be in line with what trads make of NO Church
2 yrs ago me and trads would have thought they were par for the course
Yet Church isn't letting them go preach their heresy so easy now
Watch wait and pray pray pray
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Wrong to assume Church won't say no to Med
Sure Med seems to fit in with the NO crowd
I know NO people who believe in Med like it was written in the Gospels
However American nuns been behaving bad for years
They seem to be in line with what trads make of NO Church
2 yrs ago me and trads would have thought they were par for the course
Yet Church isn't letting them go preach their heresy so easy now
Watch wait and pray pray pray
Except that The NO isnt the CHURCH
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I don't see how the article dated June 3rd implies that Rome is about to give approval to Medjugorje. It makes perfect sense to me that the Church would appoint a bishop who is completely unbiased to look into the alleged apparitions in order to get to the bottom of this matter and either affirm or put an end to this nonsense once and for all. Also I have read that both JPll and Pope Benedict XVl personally don't believe anything supernatural is happening there. Since the Church is protected by the Holy Spirit and these apparitions prove to be false, there is no way the Church will give them any recognition.
Heretics arent protected by the Holy Ghost - therefore - just like in the case of The Escriva "Canonization" it will all come down to money
Money makes a huge difference to Benedict XVI. Since Medge is a cash cow for the tourism industry in Yugoslavia, Benedict won't touch it. To him, apparently, the money is much more important than the faith. It's like he believes in the shekels instead of Catholic doctrine.
Don't forget what Fr. Pfeiffer had to say about the event of 1990 (from his sermon on Pentecost Sunday, minute 20 +/-):
That same year, bishop Zanic comes from Yugoslavia.
He visits Rome. He visits .. Cardinal Ratzinger, and he says,
Cardinal Ratzinger, you are the head of the Congregation for the
Docrine of the Faith.
I am the bishop of Medjugoria, in Yugoslavia. And in
Medjugorje they are liars.
In Medjugorje are enemies of God. In Medjugorje
The priest is sleeping with nuns. In Medjugorje it is a "faith miracle,"
and people are coming from all over the world, and I have
condemned it but they won't listen to me.
Can you please make a public proclamation from Rome, condemning Medjugorje?
And do you know what Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger said?
Zanich, you take care of it. There are too many friends of Medjugorje here.
I will not condemn it, but I agree with you.
His name was Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger.
IMHO Medge fits hand-in-glove with the Novus Ordo imposter liturgy, and most parish priests all over the world will no more speak against Medge than they would speak against the fake liturgy they practice every day.
Scripture says test everything. All the saints who had apparitions tested them. A simple test exposes false ones, usually. But in Medjugorje, the fantasy is far more important than the truth, as so it is with everyone who goes there. I have known tourists who come back saying their rosary "turned to gold" in Medjugorje when they were there. I ask to see the rosary, and what they show me is a silver or chrome plated brass wire rosary that has the plating wearing off. Then I ask them if they have taken it to a Jєωeler to see if it is really gold, and they always answer that they wouldn't dare question the miracle. Well, then of course, without being tested, any scam avoids exposure.
That said, the mere fact that Rome has refrained from any definitive pronouncement all these years speaks volumes. The Church doesn't need to give any approval of it, when merely saying nothing about it is taken to mean the same thing as approval, in the minds of the rebels who flock there on "vacation." As Fr. Pfeiffer observed, even if Benedict in private takes sides with the local bishop who condemns the fake apparitions there, he isn't going to say so in public, because "there are too many friends of Medjugorje" in Rome. Which probably means if he condemned it, Benedict would have to let go of the profits his "friends" share, and he would lose his cut, somehow.
Did Benedict put a stop to the NeoCatechumenal Way nonsense? On the contrary he gave it approval! And that can be seen to be worse than Medjugorje's apparitions, as it involves what would seem to be the Mass itself (but it's merely an abomination, standing in the holy place -- let the reader understand).
Any news will likely be more ambiguity that does not "get to the bottom of this matter and either affirm or put an end to this nonsense once and for all." It would be great if that were the case, but sadly, don't hold your breath.
There isn't going to be any improvement until the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary takes place, as Our Lady requested 80 or 90 years ago. This is a good example of things that will not get better until then.
I read somewhere the Megaforgery lovers response to the fact the Bishops of Mostar denounced Megaforgery was because the Commies put the squeeze on them.
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I read somewhere the Megaforgery lovers response to the fact the Bishops of Mostar denounced Megaforgery was because the Commies put the squeeze on them.
That's a rich one. I know some who believe that when any bishop condemns Medge it shows how corrupt he is. Maybe that's about the same kind of dopiness.
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How 'bout saying, "for example....' for us slow ones then? Would make it easier for all.
NyIndech talk
Too lazy write
Sorry if confuse
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Wrong to assume Church won't say no to Med
Sure Med seems to fit in with the NO crowd
I know NO people who believe in Med like it was written in the Gospels
However American nuns been behaving bad for years
They seem to be in line with what trads make of NO Church
2 yrs ago me and trads would have thought they were par for the course
Yet Church isn't letting them go preach their heresy so easy now
Watch wait and pray pray pray
NyIndech, enroll in RCIA somewhere.
You and NO were made for each other.