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Medjugorge close to getting approved?!?
« on: June 03, 2012, 01:47:32 PM »
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  • I don't understand.  I often thought that Medjugorge was false, and that there was a great amount of demonic activity there.  I've read a lot of reviews about how deception is occurring there.  

    Yet, it appears that the Vatican is edging its way to accepting the apparitions?

    First, this article, but also, there are other articles on that website that imply that the Vatican is about to acknowledge it as a real apparition.  

    Thoughts, people?

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    http://www.medjugorjetoday.tv/5777/rome-may-give-medjugorje-new-bishop/



    Rome may give Medjugorje new bishopBy Jakob Marschner on Jun 3, 2012
    While only very little has leaked from the Vatican Commission on Medjugorje, four possible outcomes are in play, a major Croatian newspaper has unofficially learned. Two of them will remove the influence of the Bishop of Mostar who does not believe in the apparitions.


    The old bridge Stari Most is the landmark of Mostar. Two possible Vatican scenarios of the future of Medjugorje will place the parish outside of the diocese of Mostar, a major Croatian daily has learned from un-named sources
    Recognition or condemnation of the claims of apparitions is not the main focus of the Vatican Commission appointed to investigate the events of Medjugorje. The more pressing issue is the future administration of the place.

    Among four possible recommendations of the Commission, two will lead to Medjugorje no longer being under the jurisdiction of Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar. In one of these options, the Vatican will assume control of Medjugorje itself. In the other, the diocese of Mostar will be split in two, the Croatian newspaper Vecernji List writes without naming sources.


    Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar
    “Unofficially we have been informed that the game has four options. First, status quo remains, and Medjugorje will still be under the jurisdiction of Bishop Peric of Mostar who usually argues that there has never been any apparitions in the parish” the paper sums up the first option.

    “But considering that millions of pilgrims are coming to Medjugorje, this option would also acknowledge the reality: It would acquire the status of at least a place of prayer and would be required to adopt ‘rules of the game’” journalist Zarko Ivkovic further reports in Vecernji List.

    One year ago, Ivkovic was the main author of the book “Misterij Medjugorja” in which unclassified documents from the Yugoslavian secret police shed new light on the early days and years of Medjugorje.


    Two scenarios of new governance

    Though two of the four possible recommendations involve a new ecclesiastical governance of Medjugorje, the Croatian newspaper only uses the term “very radical” about one of them:


    The Commission headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini (right) will submit its findings and recommendations to Pope Benedict XVI through the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before the end of 2012, Commission member Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo informed in February
    “In the second option, the Pope would appoint his own delegates to Medjugorje, who would be responsible for the parish, and the Vatican’s decisions would be implemented on the ground through its Franciscan Commissioner. In this case, an official statute to determine the rules of action in this area would be given. The Bishop of Mostar would no longer have jurisdiction over Medjugorje.”

    Today, the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno-Trebinje-Mrkan is the official name of the diocese usually referred to as Mostar. The third option changes this, to place Medjugorje in a new-established diocese, splitting in effect the diocese of Mostar in two:


    The Bishop's Palace in Mostar. Two of the four Vatican scenarios for Medjugorje cited by Vecernji List place the parish outside of its reach
    “The third option is a very radical. It envisages the establishment of the Diocese of Trebinje-Mrkan with the parish of Medjugorje as a part of it. This means that the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno will be territorially reduced, and the Pope would then appoint new bishops to Mostar, and assume jurisdiction over Medjugorje” writes Vecernji List.

    “According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud  which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”

    Other informations given to Vecernji List confirm previous reports that the Vatican Commission gives priority to studying the early days of the apparitions, and that Vatican officials have visited Medjugorje incognito, the latter most likely a fact since long before the Commission was formed in March 2010. Other aspects are new:

    “The Commission extensively examines various documents, especially considering the events in the early days of the apparitions, and we unofficially learned that teams of experts are investigating miraculous healings. It is also interesting that the parish of Medjugorje has had incognito visits of people from the Vatican in order to determine the authenticity of the pastoral work of the Franciscans” the major Croatian newspaper writes.

    Headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the Vatican Commission will submit its report and recommendations to The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which will take the report to Pope Benedict XVI who makes the final decision. The report is expected later this year.

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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle

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    « Reply #1 on: June 03, 2012, 01:51:41 PM »
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  • Laramie, what is true to a modernist depends on the context and who believes it is true.  

    So long as you're not really Catholic.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 03, 2012, 02:30:39 PM »
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    “According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud  which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”


    Off course they won't condemn it outright and this just further demonstrates the faithless corruption within the Concilliar Church. The pilgrimages to Medjugorje bring in too much money for them to condemn it. The Medjugorje pilgrimages are also becoming more popular and not less. Last year they had their highest number of visitors ever at over two million.
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    « Reply #3 on: June 03, 2012, 02:45:25 PM »
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  • Still 25% chance of disapproval

    Or you could say 50% chance of approval or disapproval

    Article is pro-Med, so naturally written optimistic either way

    Percents not actual chances

    Post-V2 Church still full of surprises

    Unfortunately post-V2 Church going either way with Med will be a surprise
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    « Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 02:51:37 PM »
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  • Of course the modernists believe it's real, because they believe in the very warm, fuzzy crap that Medjugorje is all about.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 03, 2012, 03:12:55 PM »
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  • Went to Med news site

    Watched Youtube apparition vids

    It's just some woman staring at something and nodding

    Probably going to tell people she said holy holy sounding things

    Mythos already there so easy to believe

    One of my college days' achievements was debunking Pentecostalism

    Med works same way

    But then I'm not Med expert
    can't tell if ninja

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    « Reply #6 on: June 03, 2012, 03:28:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: Caraffa
    Of course they won't condemn it outright ...


    Oh my.  What if?  

    Been waiting for a few years, now, on a definitive decision on this apparition.  

    To think, they might go through all this, and still leave everything in the gray.  

    Just like Fatima.  There's nothing solid.
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    « Reply #7 on: June 03, 2012, 06:28:04 PM »
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  • Would be in line with the Church mission to be definite

    Salvation of souls is important

    Better to tell people now whether fraud

    If fraud, how many souls are in jeopardy because of no definite judgment?
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    « Reply #8 on: June 03, 2012, 08:20:59 PM »
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     To think, they might go through all this, and still leave everything in the gray.  

    That's what I think will happen Laramie. Even though the last two bishops of Mostar-Duvno, Zanic and Peric, have denounced the apparitions at Medugorje, the first stronger than the second, the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Bertone under none other than Cardinal Ratzinger stated in 1997 that these denunciations were only their "private opinions" and not the official ruling of the Church. The precedent has already been set.
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    « Reply #9 on: June 03, 2012, 09:09:02 PM »
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  • If you think about it, Medj is the perfect apparition for the masonic New Order Religion.  It's already got its own doctrines, saints and now it needs a good apparition.
    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31

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    « Reply #10 on: June 05, 2012, 09:24:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    Of course the modernists believe it's real, because they believe in the very warm, fuzzy crap that Medjugorje is all about.

    Modernists don't believe in apparitions at all, so no, modernists do not believe in Medj. The people who tend to believe in Medj. are those who are otherwise devout Catholics, but who aren't being fed the real meat of true Catholicism, and chase after apparitions. In fact they have much in common with (some) traditionalists in that they don't respect the authority of the local bishop.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 05, 2012, 09:36:41 AM »
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  • Medjugorje is by and for the Charismatics, which is a branch or sect of  Modernism.  Modernism is all for sensationalism as well as touchy feelly emotionalism, so yes, Medjugorje is definitely a Modernist manifestation.
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    « Reply #12 on: June 05, 2012, 11:36:05 AM »
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  • You need a valid Pope to approve an apparition that is not contrary to faith and morals.  Valid local bishops can do it but in a world with a Catholic Pope I would wait for his approval.  We can find the truth, which apparitions always stress, in Catholic Catechisms approved by valid Popes.  
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    « Reply #13 on: June 05, 2012, 11:59:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    I don't understand.  I often thought that Medjugorge was false, and that there was a great amount of demonic activity there.  I've read a lot of reviews about how deception is occurring there.  

    Yet, it appears that the Vatican is edging its way to accepting the apparitions?

    First, this article, but also, there are other articles on that website that imply that the Vatican is about to acknowledge it as a real apparition.  

    Thoughts, people?

    - - - -


    If Vatican II approves the apparitions, the novus ordites will just have to go along with it.  They already go along with mass facing the people, communion in the hand, ecumenism stretched to the point of everybody's truth being the truth, eucharistic ministers, the greatly distorted concept of "people of god"...  

    ...throw this in to the stew and it really won't make a ripple.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 05, 2012, 12:47:14 PM »
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    I don't understand.  I often thought that Medjugorge was false, and that there was a great amount of demonic activity there.  I've read a lot of reviews about how deception is occurring there.  

    Yet, it appears that the Vatican is edging its way to accepting the apparitions?

    First, this article, but also, there are other articles on that website that imply that the Vatican is about to acknowledge it as a real apparition.  

    Thoughts, people?

    - - - -

    http://www.medjugorjetoday.tv/5777/rome-may-give-medjugorje-new-bishop/



    Rome may give Medjugorje new bishopBy Jakob Marschner on Jun 3, 2012
    While only very little has leaked from the Vatican Commission on Medjugorje, four possible outcomes are in play, a major Croatian newspaper has unofficially learned. Two of them will remove the influence of the Bishop of Mostar who does not believe in the apparitions.


    The old bridge Stari Most is the landmark of Mostar. Two possible Vatican scenarios of the future of Medjugorje will place the parish outside of the diocese of Mostar, a major Croatian daily has learned from un-named sources
    Recognition or condemnation of the claims of apparitions is not the main focus of the Vatican Commission appointed to investigate the events of Medjugorje. The more pressing issue is the future administration of the place.

    Among four possible recommendations of the Commission, two will lead to Medjugorje no longer being under the jurisdiction of Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar. In one of these options, the Vatican will assume control of Medjugorje itself. In the other, the diocese of Mostar will be split in two, the Croatian newspaper Vecernji List writes without naming sources.


    Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar
    “Unofficially we have been informed that the game has four options. First, status quo remains, and Medjugorje will still be under the jurisdiction of Bishop Peric of Mostar who usually argues that there has never been any apparitions in the parish” the paper sums up the first option.

    “But considering that millions of pilgrims are coming to Medjugorje, this option would also acknowledge the reality: It would acquire the status of at least a place of prayer and would be required to adopt ‘rules of the game’” journalist Zarko Ivkovic further reports in Vecernji List.

    One year ago, Ivkovic was the main author of the book “Misterij Medjugorja” in which unclassified documents from the Yugoslavian secret police shed new light on the early days and years of Medjugorje.


    Two scenarios of new governance

    Though two of the four possible recommendations involve a new ecclesiastical governance of Medjugorje, the Croatian newspaper only uses the term “very radical” about one of them:


    The Commission headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini (right) will submit its findings and recommendations to Pope Benedict XVI through the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before the end of 2012, Commission member Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo informed in February
    “In the second option, the Pope would appoint his own delegates to Medjugorje, who would be responsible for the parish, and the Vatican’s decisions would be implemented on the ground through its Franciscan Commissioner. In this case, an official statute to determine the rules of action in this area would be given. The Bishop of Mostar would no longer have jurisdiction over Medjugorje.”

    Today, the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno-Trebinje-Mrkan is the official name of the diocese usually referred to as Mostar. The third option changes this, to place Medjugorje in a new-established diocese, splitting in effect the diocese of Mostar in two:


    The Bishop's Palace in Mostar. Two of the four Vatican scenarios for Medjugorje cited by Vecernji List place the parish outside of its reach
    “The third option is a very radical. It envisages the establishment of the Diocese of Trebinje-Mrkan with the parish of Medjugorje as a part of it. This means that the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno will be territorially reduced, and the Pope would then appoint new bishops to Mostar, and assume jurisdiction over Medjugorje” writes Vecernji List.

    “According to the fourth option, the Medjugorje phenomenon would be declared a fraud  which would then imply a ban on pilgrimages. This option is still the least likely.”

    Other informations given to Vecernji List confirm previous reports that the Vatican Commission gives priority to studying the early days of the apparitions, and that Vatican officials have visited Medjugorje incognito, the latter most likely a fact since long before the Commission was formed in March 2010. Other aspects are new:

    “The Commission extensively examines various documents, especially considering the events in the early days of the apparitions, and we unofficially learned that teams of experts are investigating miraculous healings. It is also interesting that the parish of Medjugorje has had incognito visits of people from the Vatican in order to determine the authenticity of the pastoral work of the Franciscans” the major Croatian newspaper writes.

    Headed by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the Vatican Commission will submit its report and recommendations to The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which will take the report to Pope Benedict XVI who makes the final decision. The report is expected later this year.



    Medjugorje is Charismatic - which is a form of Pentecostalism - condemned by the Church in addition it attempts to legitimize Religious Indifferentism a Heresy likewise condemned by the Church.

    All Religions are not from GOD.

    Only one Church is from GOD - the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church.

    The Blessed Virgin Mary doesnt come to Earth to tell us things we already know hundreds of times.

    The whole Medjugorje hoax is an embarrassment.

     

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