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Offline CM

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Matthew I have a request
« on: February 28, 2010, 04:16:10 PM »
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  • Ladislaus is making a mockery of Catholic dogmas in the "What is heresy" thread in the Crisis section, from which I was banned simply because some people don't like my positions, nor the veracity with which I defend them.  Will you please "lemme at 'im"?


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    Matthew I have a request
    « Reply #1 on: February 28, 2010, 05:03:58 PM »
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  • I figured you might be watching.  Yes, I did take your name in vain on that thread, using you (and fk) as examples of casting the "heresy" accusation against propositions which fall short of heresy.


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    Matthew I have a request
    « Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 07:31:45 PM »
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    Ladislaus is making a mockery of Catholic dogmas in the "What is heresy" thread in the Crisis section, from which I was banned simply because some people don't like my positions, nor the veracity with which I defend them.  Will you please "lemme at 'im"?


    You mean "making a mockery of my opinions."  

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    Matthew I have a request
    « Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 08:13:01 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, you deny that a proposition which contradicts ANY de Fide statement is by that very fact heresy.  It is not my opinion, it is what Pope Leo XIII himself taught in Satis Cognitum when he reiterated the words of St. Augustine.

    This "implicit" heresy and "explicit" heresy distinction you have espoused does not change the fact that heresy is heresy and when it is willingly assented to in opposition to what the Magisterium says on the matter, separates one from the Church.

    But you seem to think that it has to be already defined as heresy before it is such.  This opinion of yours simply is not true, nor does it hold even a shadow of tenability in the face of Satis Cognitum:

    Quote from: Pope Leo, in the above mentioned encyclical,
    The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium. Epiphanius, Augustine, Theodoret, drew up a long list of the heresies of their times. St. Augustine notes that other heresies may spring up, to a single one of which, should any one give his assent, he is by the very fact cut off from Catholic unity. "No one who merely disbelieves in all (these heresies) can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or may arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic" (S. Augustinus, De Haeresibus, n. 88).

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    « Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 08:49:42 PM »
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  • He never said anything different.  The distinction has to do with the logical remoteness of a proposition.  


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    « Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 08:52:38 PM »
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    For there may be or may arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic"


    All he stated here is that he didn't cover every heresy in his work.  You know, more than half your problem is almost incessantly making false or unwarranted inferences from these docuмents.  You approach everything with a pretext and it ruins your comprehension powers.  

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    « Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 09:14:32 PM »
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    Ladislaus is making a mockery of Catholic dogmas in the "What is heresy" thread in the Crisis section, from which I was banned simply because some people don't like my positions, nor the veracity with which I defend them.  Will you please "lemme at 'im"?


    CM you were allowed to post here for ages....The real reason you were banned from there was fk coming on and calling people stupid.

    If he hadnt come on you would still be posting there.