Author Topic: Mary and Isis? (Read 1251 times)

gobosox91 · « **on:** April 20, 2012, 06:38:43 PM »

Anybody know how to refute these pagan claims?

IIf I were a troll, it would be the SAME question each time.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #1 on:** April 20, 2012, 07:29:05 PM »

One clear way is to ask yourself where are these pagan goddesses today?

They have all disappeared like a small little flame on a candle. Yet, even against the secular society, the love of the Blessed Virgin does not recede.

This particular question isn't even directed at us from a protestant direction but an atheist one.

I'm actually unfamiliar with "isis" but I do know it's a tired old story drudged up by haters of the Catholic Church and it shows some real savvy on our hater's part because the Blessed Virgin Mary is at the very heart of the Catholic Church.

You will have to deal with these hoary old tales throughout your journey from beginner student/questioner to a Traditional Catholic but get ready for all the other ones too.

A short answer? Those other false gods disappeared under their own dead weight and are only mentioned by secularists trying to sow doubt and discontent among believers but in our world they are less than a ghost because they stopped being believed over 2000 years ago and haven't resurfaced. The Roman Catholic Church, on the other hand, has constantly had to deal with and defeat it's enemies.

We have constantly had to face down our enemies and each time we have been victorious although millions of souls had to pay a terrible price.

TKGS · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2012, 09:19:35 PM »

Anti-Catholics have, for centuries, made up stories that appear to cast doubt upon the Church and then expect Catholics to refute the claims.

Devotion to the Blessed Virgin is as old as the Church. There are so many writings of Church Fathers praising the devotion to Mary that it is impossible to deny that the Church always had great devotion to her. Yet, when anti-Catholics suggest that the Church used the goddess Isis as the model for the Blessed Virgin Mary, we are expected to answer the charges and provide proof that their lies are inaccurate.

Of course, any answer we can give will be summarily dismissed by anti-Catholics since they have already concluded the Church is wrong and will therefore lie to protect her. History is on the side of the Church. Your question is like the judge demanding a yes or no answer to the question, have you stopped beating your wife? It's a no-win situation.

What is the evidence that goes back to, say, St. Ignatius of Antioch (AD 50-c.117) who praised the Blessed Virgin that Catholic devotion to the Mother of God is anything but what the Catholic Church has always said it was? Perhaps if they had any evidence that dates to the first century, your doubts might have merit.

But their evidence does not. It is not credible.

ggreg · « **Reply #3 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:24:08 AM »

Since the early Chrisitians were persecuted by pagans why would they invent the figure of Mary to impersonate ISIS?

Surely they could have just invented a new narrative.

I wouldn't expect the ADL to name it's headquarters "Adolf House" or the "Gibson Center".

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #4 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:56:14 AM »

It was the Protestant heretics who have contumaciously propagated this blasphemous and obscene profanity against Our Lady in their heretical transmogrifications of the Sacred Scriptures.

For the 44th chapter of the Prophecy of Jeremias, the Geneva Bible added this gloss to the 17th verse:

Quote from: Heretical Calvinist exegetes

It seems that the Papists gathered of this place their Salve Regina and Regina coeli laetare calling the virgin Mary Queen of heaven, and so of the blessed virgin, and mother of our Saviour Christ made an idol; for here the Prophet condemneth their idolatry.

In this their malice and foolishness are evident, for the exclusive subject of these beautiful antiphons was not the queenship of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Rather, the Salve Regina prays for the Blessed Virgin's intercession in order to attain to the grace of final perseverance and thus to the Beatific vision of her Divine Son, and the Regina cæli lætare is a dramatic representation of the exultation of the Blessed Virgin at the triumphant Resurrection of her Divine Son. These antiphons, as all other liturgical prayers and compositions that honor the Blessed Virgin Mary, are ultimately Christocentric.

Again, the Protestant heretics have debased Sacred Scripture into an abominable harlot to serve their autolatrous and audacious egocentricity wherewith they arrogate to themselves individually the prerogatives of the infallible magisterium of Holy Mother Church.

These heretics do not understand the grand mysteries of the Divine Person of Our Lord, because they have rejected His Blessed Mother, and so have become unworthy to be incorporated into His Mystical Body.

By a wondrous decree of Divine wisdom and omnipotence, human nature is united to the Godhead through the Eternal Word, Who took flesh from the Blessed Virgin Mary. The true dignity of human nature is restored by means of a retrogradatory dynamic whereby the maledictions incurred at the Fall are turned into benedictions greater than those that man would have obtained in his primal innocence. And so it came to pass that the Blessed Virgin Mary became the Second Eve, reversing the curse of the first Eve in her Immaculate Conception and in her cooperation with her Divine Son in the Mysteries of our Redemption (we greet Mary with the Ave because she revered the curse of Eva).

The horror and malice of the great transgression of Adam and Eve is far surpassed by the love that moved an infinite and eternal Deity to confine itself to space and time by means of a humble and unknown maiden at Nazareth. Far from threatening the prerogatives of Christ our Lord, extolling the Blessed Virgin renders the mystery of the Incarnation all the more admirable and astounding. For it was through her alone that the Eternal Son of the Heavenly Father chose to become incarnate as our Redeemer: no other means were chosen. Hence, the Deacon in the ancient rite of the Paschal Vigil exultingly cries out, “O felix culpa, quæ talem ac tantum meruit habere redemptorem!” “O happy fault, that merited to have such and so great a Redeemer!”

Lastly, to whom are we to pay heed, to the novelties of heretics, or to the magisterium of Holy Mother Church as expressed in the teachings of the Fathers and in Apostolic tradition?

For this reason, I have endeavored to bring to you and to all the other readers of CathInfo, the first chapter of the great book The Blessed Virgin Mary in the Fathers of the First Six Centuries (London: Burns & Oates, Ltd., 1893) by Rev. Fr. Thomas Livius, entitled "The Primitive Patristic Idea of Mary as the Second Eve."

Here is the link: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/The-Blessed-Virgin-Mary-the-Second-Eve

I beseech you to read it prayerfully and with exceeding care, and irradiate your mind with the great luminaries that only the true Church of Christ can offer to the world.[/size]

LordPhan · « **Reply #5 on:** April 21, 2012, 01:25:09 AM »

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

It was the Protestant heretics who have contumaciously propagated this blasphemous and obscene profanity against Our Lady in their heretical transmogrifications of the Sacred Scriptures.

For the 44th chapter of the Prophecy of Jeremias, the Geneva Bible added this gloss to the 17th verse:

Quote from: Heretical Calvinist exegetes
It seems that the Papists gathered of this place their Salve Regina and Regina coeli laetare calling the virgin Mary Queen of heaven, and so of the blessed virgin, and mother of our Saviour Christ made an idol; for here the Prophet condemneth their idolatry.

In this their malice and foolishness are evident, for the exclusive subject of these beautiful antiphons was not the queenship of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Rather, the Salve Regina prays for the Blessed Virgin's intercession in order to attain to the grace of final perseverance and thus to the Beatific vision of her Divine Son, and the Regina cæli lætare is a dramatic representation of the exultation of the Blessed Virgin at the triumphant Resurrection of her Divine Son. These antiphons, as all other liturgical prayers and compositions that honor the Blessed Virgin Mary, are ultimately Christocentric.

Again, the Protestant heretics have debased Sacred Scripture into an abominable harlot to serve their autolatrous and audacious egocentricity wherewith they arrogate to themselves individually the prerogatives of the infallible magisterium of Holy Mother Church.

These heretics do not understand the grand mysteries of the Divine Person of Our Lord, because they have rejected His Blessed Mother, and so have become unworthy to be incorporated into His Mystical Body.

By a wondrous decree of Divine wisdom and omnipotence, human nature is united to the Godhead through the Eternal Word, Who took flesh from the Blessed Virgin Mary. The true dignity of human nature is restored by means of a retrogradatory dynamic whereby the maledictions incurred at the Fall are turned into benedictions greater than those that man would have obtained in his primal innocence. And so it came to pass that the Blessed Virgin Mary became the Second Eve, reversing the curse of the first Eve in her Immaculate Conception and in her cooperation with her Divine Son in the Mysteries of our Redemption (we greet Mary with the Ave because she revered the curse of Eva).

The horror and malice of the great transgression of Adam and Eve is far surpassed by the love that moved an infinite and eternal Deity to confine itself to space and time by means of a humble and unknown maiden at Nazareth. Far from threatening the prerogatives of Christ our Lord, extolling the Blessed Virgin renders the mystery of the Incarnation all the more admirable and astounding. For it was through her alone that the Eternal Son of the Heavenly Father chose to become incarnate as our Redeemer: no other means were chosen. Hence, the Deacon in the ancient rite of the Paschal Vigil exultingly cries out, “O felix culpa, quæ talem ac tantum meruit habere redemptorem!” “O happy fault, that merited to have such and so great a Redeemer!”

Lastly, to whom are we to pay heed, to the novelties of heretics, or to the magisterium of Holy Mother Church as expressed in the teachings of the Fathers and in Apostolic tradition?

For this reason, I have endeavored to bring to you and to all the other readers of CathInfo, the first chapter of the great book The Blessed Virgin Mary in the Fathers of the First Six Centuries (London: Burns & Oates, Ltd., 1893) by Rev. Fr. Thomas Livius, entitled "The Primitive Patristic Idea of Mary as the Second Eve."

Here is the link: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/The-Blessed-Virgin-Mary-the-Second-Eve

I beseech you to read it prayerfully and with exceeding care, and irradiate your mind with the great luminaries that only the true Church of Christ can offer to the world.[/size]

Very well said friend.