Author Topic: Martin Sheen: Catholic Church "not God" on gαy marriage (Read 3291 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **on:** April 04, 2012, 08:56:06 PM »

No wonder Martin Sheen played a Novus Ordo priest in the movie "The Conflict".

Catholic actor Martin Sheen: ‘the Church is not God’ on gαy ‘marriage’ issue

Kathleen Gilbert

LOS ANGELES, April 3, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Actor Martin Sheen has defended his position in favor of redefining marriage despite his Catholic faith, saying that “my religion’s highest standard is conscience.”

Sheen was asked about the apparent conflict between his Catholic identity and his stance on marriage by the Wilshire & Washington blog following his performance in a play that raised $2 million for a gαy rights lobby group. Sheen played the role of one of the plaintiffs in the play “8,” a dramatic rendition of the Proposition 8 trials written by Dustin Lance Black, who also wrote the screenplay for the 2008 movie Milk.

“My religion’s highest standard is conscience. Nothing can get between your conscience and God, not even the Church, because for 2,000 years, my Church has been lifting up as exemplary various men and women in their lives who have served as inspiration to all of us over the centuries, and we call them saints,” Sheen said, as quoted by the blog.

The West Wing actor pointed out that “the Church has not condemned a single soul to hell because it does not have the authority” and that “the Church is not God.”

“The Church is a conduit, and it is a spiritual journey, but it is not the end of the journey,” said Sheen. “The church is an institution, primarily of men, at least they are the major authorities. And so they are flawed, obviously. And so they are not authorized from preventing any member from following their conscience no matter what that is. You can’t get between a person’s conscience and their God. Nobody can do that.”

Although known to support generally liberal views – he was a strong advocate for Barack Obama’s presidential run - the seasoned Hollywood actor has voiced opposition in the past to some leftist cultural positions, such as assisted ѕυιcιdє and abortion.

Last year, Sheen spoke of his opposition to abortion, revealing that his wife was nearly killed by abortion after she was conceived in rape and describing how he supported unplanned pregnancies in his own family.

bernadette · « **Reply #1 on:** April 04, 2012, 09:44:26 PM »

He's such an idiot.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** April 04, 2012, 09:51:16 PM »

We should also remember his real name isn't Sheen. It's Estevez.

Sigismund · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:13:41 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

We should also remember his real name isn't Sheen. It's Estevez.

Why should we remember that, in this context?

Diego · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:16:37 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

We should also remember his real name isn't Sheen. It's Estevez.

Why should we remember that?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:35:20 PM »

Because he's not Irish.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:43:36 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Because he's not Irish.

I guess he is Irish on his mother's side. Too bad.

Ramón Antonio Gerardo Estévez

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:45:40 PM »

Che Guevara was also Spanish-Irish.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:51:18 PM »

"The Conflict" was a lame movie, by the way. I bought it on DVD two years ago thinking it would be good. It wasn't. At the end of the film, the Traditional monks go back to praying in English instead of Latin. Horrible ending.

Wessex · « **Reply #9 on:** April 05, 2012, 06:52:37 AM »

The film was good at showing back then how the world had been turned upside down. The hippie authority figure from Newchurch played by Sheen was sent to an outpost of dinosaur monks in order to reform them. Between these two extremes the film tries to elicit sympathy for the abbot caught in the middle. Though he is portrayed as a weak easy-going character wonderfully played by Trevor Howard, the abbot captures the contemporary mood of religious indifference relying on a bureaucratic role to mask his disappearing faith.

alaric · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2012, 07:50:11 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Telesphorus
Because he's not Irish.

I guess he is Irish on his mother's side. Too bad.

Ramón Antonio Gerardo Estévez

Yea, too bad.

I'm sure that's the "gαy friendly" side.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/new-york-st-patricks-day-irish-queers-protest_n_1345746.html

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #11 on:** April 05, 2012, 08:08:59 AM »

I think the distinction between Sheen's defense of his actions in opposition to Church authority vs. Traditionalist opposition would be a good one to have.

The Neo-Caths constantly accuse us of being Sheen in reverse. They say he errs on the left, we err on the right and we are both disobedient.

Interested in hearing how best to refute this.

Busillis · « **Reply #12 on:** April 05, 2012, 08:22:31 AM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

“The Church is a conduit, and it is a spiritual journey, but it is not the end of the journey,” said Sheen. “The church is an institution, primarily of men, at least they are the major authorities. And so they are flawed, obviously. And so they are not authorized from preventing any member from following their conscience no matter what that is. You can’t get between a person’s conscience and their God. Nobody can do that.”

So if your conscience tells you to believe something that contradicts Church teaching you choose to be dishonest and remain in the Church instead of leaving. These liberal types think the Church is so elastic. It mine as well not exist.

alaric · « **Reply #13 on:** April 05, 2012, 11:01:20 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

I think the distinction between Sheen's defense of his actions in opposition to Church authority vs. Traditionalist opposition would be a good one to have.

The Neo-Caths constantly accuse us of being Sheen in reverse. They say he errs on the left, we err on the right and we are both disobedient.

Interested in hearing how best to refute this.

Maybe by telling the truth?

What is Sheen's defense besides emotion or how he "feels" about an issue as opposed to Church doctrine, dogma and tradition. Both of which trads are more closely in line with.

TraditionalistThomas · « **Reply #14 on:** April 05, 2012, 06:19:50 PM »

This sort of thing makes me infuriated. ALL of the pro-abortion or pro-gαy 'marriage' catholic politicians always resort to "Vatican II says that Conscience has primacy!!!". Such moral relativism!