Author Topic: Marriage rules (Read 1629 times)

modofac · « **on:** September 16, 2014, 05:13:59 PM »

I have a question.

I was reading the thread on the "Wedding of the Co-Habitators", and I was trying to reason out the right and wrong of the situation.

On the one hand, marrying people who are fornicating, if they are able to be married, removes the occasion of sin. I had previously thought "Oh good, these people were sinning, but now they are not".

In the thread, several people said this was not the right understanding. They are saying that a person cannot go to confession for the sin of cohabitation right before being married.

Is this true? If so, how long must a person wait between confessing cohabitation and/or fornication before being married?

If Francis has violated Church law on this matter, I'd like to know. Thank you kindly.

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2014, 10:03:00 PM »

Quote from: modofac

I have a question.

I was reading the thread on the "Wedding of the Co-Habitators", and I was trying to reason out the right and wrong of the situation.

On the one hand, marrying people who are fornicating, if they are able to be married, removes the occasion of sin. I had previously thought "Oh good, these people were sinning, but now they are not".

In the thread, several people said this was not the right understanding. They are saying that a person cannot go to confession for the sin of cohabitation right before being married.

Is this true? If so, how long must a person wait between confessing cohabitation and/or fornication before being married?

If Francis has violated Church law on this matter, I'd like to know. Thank you kindly.

Pope Francis is the supreme legislator of Canon law. It is not a violation for him to marry these people.

OHCA · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2014, 10:29:36 PM »

Quote from: poche

Pope Francis is the supreme legislator of Canon law. It is not a violation for him to marry these people.

Was "Kingfish" the movie in which John Goodman's character said "I make MY rules..."

songbird · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2014, 10:54:58 PM »

Without true repentance, a sacrament is not going to happen, marriage. And that won't be the only sin to be sorrowful for.

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2014, 11:01:06 PM »

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Without true repentance, a sacrament is not going to happen, marriage. And that won't be the only sin to be sorrowful for.

That is why we have the sacrament of confession. Jesus didn't die on the cross so that we could all be miserable and go to Hell. He died so that we could be happy with Him in Heaven.

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2014, 11:55:21 PM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: songbird
Without true repentance, a sacrament is not going to happen, marriage. And that won't be the only sin to be sorrowful for.

That is why we have the sacrament of confession. Jesus didn't die on the cross so that we could all be miserable and go to Hell. He died so that we could be happy with Him in Heaven.

No one is excluding these couples from Heaven except themselves, by living in sin. Your statement dear poche clearly exemplifies the message this move (en masse wedding of cohabiting couples) makes - an acceptance of that lifestyle. Behaving as if the Church got it all wrong all along.

OHCA · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2014, 11:57:26 PM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: songbird
Without true repentance, a sacrament is not going to happen, marriage. And that won't be the only sin to be sorrowful for.

That is why we have the sacrament of confession. Jesus didn't die on the cross so that we could all be miserable and go to Hell. He died so that we could be happy with Him in Heaven.

Ahhh--yes--the refreshing "Heaven is full & hell doesn't exist" message.

The way you phrased it made me think of the heretic Joel Olsteen.

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:31:02 PM »

I guess Francis married these people on the spot but most weddings take months to plan. A priest probably won't allow a couple to marry unless he knows they are ready. He is not going to marry a couple on the spur of the moment. A good priest knows his parishioners.

A priest wouldn't allow my brother and his fiance to marry in the church until they took a class together and stopped living together. They weren't frequent church goers so they had to attend mass every Sunday until the wedding day. This is what a competent priest would do.

Marlelar · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:45:00 PM »

In the NO in the past, couples were required to stop living together before the pastor would even allow them to set a date, which was usually was at least 6 months into the future.

When I was NO even that priest required couples to live separately even if there were children involved. That usually involved the man bunking with a buddy for the 6 month waiting period.

I am sure there were exceptions made, but that was the general rule.

I think one sign of repentance would have been for the couples to live separately, it would be a small sign that they truly want to turn their lives around and live as Catholics.

Unlike Francis, Pope Clement VII certainly didn't think he was free to play fast and loose with God's laws; he sacrificed an entire nation to protestantism rather than offend God. Would that Francis have the same testicular fortitude.

Marsha

modofac · « **Reply #9 on:** September 17, 2014, 03:56:26 PM »

Yes. I understand. Does anyone know for sure that these couples were cohabitating at the time of the wedding?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2014, 04:18:03 PM »

If they weren't cohabitating at the time of the wedding, why would this even be an issue of couples "living in sin?" They wouldn't be "living in sin" then.

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #11 on:** September 17, 2014, 05:58:51 PM »

Quote from: modofac

Yes. I understand. Does anyone know for sure that these couples were cohabitating at the time of the wedding?

Did you try the Vatican website? I'm sure the Pope would want to clear this up as soon as possible. :roll-laugh2:

modofac · « **Reply #12 on:** September 17, 2014, 06:50:49 PM »

No. I looked, but there is no information. I'd like to know why everyone is so certain of these facts. I'd like to agree and condemn this, it smells rotten, but I feel strange about doing so without confirmation.

Marlelar · « **Reply #13 on:** September 17, 2014, 07:48:01 PM »

Catholic News Service

This is all I have to go on.

Marsha

modofac · « **Reply #14 on:** September 17, 2014, 08:05:02 PM »

Marsha,

I'm confused. Where are people getting this information that these couples were cohabitating at the time of the wedding ceremony? That appears to be the point at issue, right?

Am I missing something?