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Offline Cera

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Re: Mark of the beast
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2018, 01:41:51 PM »
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  • Thank you Cera. That is the passage that gives me a problem.
    If anyone has been paying attention to world affairs, in China they have a social score that already has prevented many people from air travel. A similar system is slowly being rolled out here as well. Couple that with the RFID chip in the hand that one of the Nordic countries has recently been rolling out and is now considering making mandatory the chip.
    What is interesting about China's "social score" is that this was predicted in a "fiction" series for children by John Bibee in the early 90s. Called the Spirit Flyer Series, it has a new huge machine arrive in town under the auspices of an evil corporation. The machine gives each person a "popularity score." In the tradition of C. S. Lewis, it's a great book for both adults and children.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830812008/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0830812008&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20
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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #16 on: October 06, 2018, 01:52:32 PM »
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  • One thing, but not the only thing, to consider is unified treaties on global standardization for IDs have thumb, hand & face prints on same IDs.

    The Bible tells us "666" (Mark of the Beast) is a human number.

    A human number is a biometric number calculated off of characteristics (thumb, hand, eye & face prints) individual to each person.

    So the "character" (Mark of the Beast) on the right hand or forehead will likely contain biometric data of the person to whom it's attached or implanted, along with the possibility of the person's financial data, civic history, education, employment, bank account, assets, etc.


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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #17 on: October 06, 2018, 03:27:46 PM »
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  • .
    The Beast must be an anti-Christ entity, therefore acceptance of the Mark would have to entail denial of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
    That happened in Japan 400 years ago, and it's been happening elsewhere ever since.
    I mean understand that... I just didn’t expect it to come in a chip?... I might be wording it wrong.
    How can a chip be a sign of the mark of the beast? If you got the chip because it was the only way to feed your babies, but you were a devout Catholic would you still be in trouble? Or am I being to literal? 

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #18 on: October 06, 2018, 06:42:06 PM »
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  • Nobody can "unwittingly" lose his soul.  Our Lord's victory took souls unto Himself from their slavery to the devil, and the devil cannot wrest them from Him unless they willingly go along with it.

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #19 on: October 06, 2018, 06:57:47 PM »
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  • It has been many years, decades even, since I have gone into the end time prophecies. I am still not going to go back to re read them...it scarred (yes scarred, not scared, though that applies as well) me so much.
    So I am unable and unwilling even to quote chapter and verse but my understanding was that even the most devout could and would be fooled into taking the mark, even though they have their guard up. Do I have this wrong then?


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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #20 on: October 06, 2018, 08:01:27 PM »
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  • It has been many years, decades even, since I have gone into the end time prophecies. I am still not going to go back to re read them...it scarred (yes scarred, not scared, though that applies as well) me so much.
    So I am unable and unwilling even to quote chapter and verse but my understanding was that even the most devout could and would be fooled into taking the mark, even though they have their guard up. Do I have this wrong then?
    Yes, you are wrong. Remember that when you went through that endtimes stuff you did not have the guidance of the Catholic FAith, nor did you have the grace of the Sacraments or theprotection of our Blessed Mother. Remember the gifts of the Holy Spirit. AS you grow in the faith you will heal from those scars and you will grow in Courage and Discernment. HAng in there!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #21 on: October 06, 2018, 09:01:59 PM »
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  • Which am I wrong about? Can you be more specific?  Thanks. 

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #22 on: October 06, 2018, 10:01:42 PM »
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  • Which am I wrong about? Can you be more specific?  Thanks.
    In your immediately preceding statement:

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    my understanding was that even the most devout could and would be fooled into taking the mark, even though they have their guard up.
    We must accept it willingly to be marked. I suppose that, even if you were forced, (tied up and given the mark against your will) you would not be marked in the eyes of God, who knows your heart. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #23 on: October 07, 2018, 10:17:20 AM »
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  • Thank you Nadir. You are of course quite right when saying I did not have the catholic faith at that time. 
    Also thank you for clarifying what I was wrong about. 
    As always I seek to understand better the faith. 

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #24 on: October 07, 2018, 04:15:14 PM »
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  • It has been many years, decades even, since I have gone into the end time prophecies. I am still not going to go back to re read them...it scarred (yes scarred, not scared, though that applies as well) me so much.
    So I am unable and unwilling even to quote chapter and verse but my understanding was that even the most devout could and would be fooled into taking the mark, even though they have their guard up. Do I have this wrong then?
    Hi Cruiser,
    I think may be thinking of Matt 24: 24-25.
    [24] For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. [25] Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #25 on: October 07, 2018, 04:23:09 PM »
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  • I mean understand that... I just didn’t expect it to come in a chip?... I might be wording it wrong.
    How can a chip be a sign of the mark of the beast? If you got the chip because it was the only way to feed your babies, but you were a devout Catholic would you still be in trouble? Or am I being to literal?
    Re-read the words in the Bible, posted earlier. Those who refuse to take the mark of the beast will not be able to buy or sell. Many people who are not able to buy food or water will not have food or water to give to their babies.
    It will be a difficult choice, just as it was for the early Christian martyrs. Many people will rationalize and deceive themselves into thinking "God will understand," and will take the mark of the beast.
     INHO, this mark will clearly be part of the satanic one-world religion, economy and political system. How many early Christian martyrs died because they refused to offer a handful of grain to a false pagan god? Others rationalized that they had to do so in order to feed their children, perhaps making a "mental reservation." In so doing, they denied Christ.
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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #26 on: October 07, 2018, 09:31:27 PM »
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  • How many early Christian martyrs died because they refused to offer a handful of grain to a false pagan god? Others rationalized that they had to do so in order to feed their children, perhaps making a "mental reservation." In so doing, they denied Christ.
    Well said, Cera! And many of those were parents who were concerned for their children. But God does not abandon his own.
    Here are a couple of examples of such mothers in the early church:

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    When St Cyricus was martyred at 3, along with his mother, St Julitta, under Diocletian, her two servants took flight, and she had to bring her small son with her.
     
     At the sight of his mother’s tortures, Cyricus began to shed tears. Prefect Alexander tried to quiet him with caresses and kind words. But he scratched Alexander’s face with his nails, crying out, “I am a Christian!”

     
    Astonished, the prefect asked him who had taught him to speak. Cyricus answered, “Thy lack of wit is a wonder to me, that seeing my age, you need ask who instructed me in the knowledge of the true God! I am a Christian!” The Holy Ghost inspired a toddler to declare, “I am a Christian.” Enraged, Alexander hurled the child down, dashing his head on the steps and killing him.
     
    His mother joyfully gave thanks to God that Cyricus had gone before her into heaven. She did not have to wonder, “What will happen to my boy? Will he grow up to reject the true Faith?” God provided for her son in a better way than she could have, insuring that they would not be separated in death. She herself was then flayed, plunged in boiling pitch, and at last beheaded.
     
     St Cyricus is the St Cyr found in several French place names.

     

    Sts Perpetua and Felicity also have a tale to tell.  


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    Under Septimus Severus,  the dark and oppressive atmosphere of the prison frightened 22 year old Perpetua, and her terror was increased by anxiety for her child. Two deacons succeeded in gaining admittance to the imprisoned Christians and helped alleviate their sufferings. Perpetua's mother brought her little son, whom she was permitted to nurse and retain in prison with her.
     
    St Felicity was in her 8th month. As the law forbad execution of a pregnant woman, she feared her death would be postponed, so she and her companions prayed and Felicity went into labor and brought forth a little girl whom a sister adopted.
     
    Perpetua and Felicity went to the amphitheater "joyfully as though on their way to heaven" and Perpetua sang a psalm of triumph.  They were scourged, a wild heifer were set on them, and then were put to the sword. They died in Carthage, Tunisia, in 203 AD. The Basilica Majorum was erected over their tomb.

     God strengthened Sts. Perpetua and Felicity to staunchly resist, for the cause of Christ, the claims of human affection, thus winning the palm of victory.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #27 on: October 08, 2018, 11:23:05 AM »
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  • The mark of the beast is:

    1. The mark on the forehead means one has given oneself intellectually to this day and age and therefore works for the beast, Satan.

    2. The mark on the hand means the work done by the hands is done only to accuмulate material goods and leads to material enslavement. The person works only for his gratification. A person also uses his marked hands for satisfaction of his passions and thus lives in inpurity and becomes a hedonist.

    This day and age is the age of the "mark of the beast" since almost everyone is now following the beast.


    "The masses in highly industrialized countries like England, the United States, or France are largely de-Christianized. Technology, and the way of life it produces, undermines Christianity far more effectively than do violent measures." -   --  Czeslaw Milosz

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #28 on: October 08, 2018, 06:16:09 PM »
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  • Well said, Cera! And many of those were parents who were concerned for their children. But God does not abandon his own.
    Here are a couple of examples of such mothers in the early church:

    Sts Perpetua and Felicity also have a tale to tell.  
    Thank you, Nadir. Let us pray for such grace of final perseverance.
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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #29 on: October 16, 2018, 01:55:04 PM »
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  • We can infer from Apocalypse of St. John 19:20 that not everyone will have the character ("mark") of the beast on their foreheads or right hands, or not everyone (if everyone is still forced to have it) who has the character will adore the image of the beast. The elect in Christ will either avoid taking on their person (forehead or right hand) the character, or if they're still forced to have it, they won't adore the beast's image.

    And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet, who wrought signs before him, wherewith he seduced them who received the character of the beast, and who adored his image. These two were cast alive into the pool of fire, burning with brimstone. ~ Apocalypse of St. John 19:20