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Mark of the beast
« on: October 05, 2018, 02:35:55 PM »
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  • There are really only two things that truly terrorize me, and really just one: being separate from God. 
    I know that in this life I have the faith to work on this, but the one thing in this life that really is scary to me is the mark of the beast. From what I understand, it is quite possible to take said mark unwittingly and unknowingly, after which you are damned and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. 
    Do I misunderstand? 
    Do we have any real idea of just what this mark is, that we may avoid it entire (other than the right hand/forehead)?

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #1 on: October 05, 2018, 03:08:35 PM »
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  • In order to be guilty of a deadly sin, there are conditions.  It would be advisable to you to learn them, just search for:  What are the three conditions for a mortal sin?


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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #2 on: October 05, 2018, 04:03:03 PM »
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    From what I understand, it is quite possible to take said mark unwittingly and unknowingly,
    No, that's not my understanding.  The mark will signify that one accepts the world instead of God.  There will be no middle ground.

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #3 on: October 05, 2018, 05:02:49 PM »
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  • Is there an official stance on this subject?

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2018, 06:16:40 PM »
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  • Here’s anither way to look at, in absence of an official Church stance, which I don’t know about...can one accidentally reject God?  Can one accidentally worship Satan?  Can one accidentally go to hell?  No, no and no.  Souls who go to hell do so after a life of chances to choose God, because He is all-merciful, so those who accept the mark of the beast will do so knowingly because such a mark will signify a rejection of God.  

    Does that mean that all who take the mark will be damned?  Does that mean there won’t be those who repent and change their mind?  I don’t know.  But it’s logical to assume that the acceptance of the mark will be a public profession of Satan, who no one can say they chose accidentally.  That’s my opinion...


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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #5 on: October 05, 2018, 06:26:39 PM »
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  • from DRBO
    [16] And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads. [17] And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. [18] Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.

    So the choice would have to be deliberate. The problem is that without the mark no one will be able to buy or sell the necessities of life. I already see protestants saying that they hope to have a friend who will obtain food and water for them, for surely God would not want them or their children to suffer.
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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #6 on: October 05, 2018, 07:31:56 PM »
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  • Thank you Cera. That is the passage that gives me a problem. 
    If anyone has been paying attention to world affairs, in China they have a social score that already has prevented many people from air travel. A similar system is slowly being rolled out here as well. Couple that with the RFID chip in the hand that one of the Nordic countries has recently been rolling out and is now considering making mandatory the chip. 

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #7 on: October 05, 2018, 08:33:35 PM »
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  • This will test our faith, Cruiser, as it hasn't been tested yet. Which is why we must pray to remain faithful. It will certainly make life a lot harder for us. 

    When you think of the sufferings the unknown martyrs have gone through in lands where satanic Communists control, you can tremble to think how we ourselves would manage to remain in Christ.

    But we have been promised persecution ang God keeps His promises.

    "And all that will live godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution"
    [2 Timothy 3:12]

    "Who shall not receive an hundred times as much, now in this time; houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutionsand in the world to come life everlasting."
    [Mark 10:30]


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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #8 on: October 06, 2018, 01:27:05 AM »
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  • I honestly don’t worry about being on the business end of a gun or torture. It was always not knowing if I would recognize the sign of the mark so I could avoid it. I would far rather starve to death than take the mark. 

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #9 on: October 06, 2018, 05:30:44 AM »
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  • from DRBO
    [16] And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads. [17] And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. [18] Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.

    So the choice would have to be deliberate. The problem is that without the mark no one will be able to buy or sell the necessities of life. I already see protestants saying that they hope to have a friend who will obtain food and water for them, for surely God would not want them or their children to suffer.
    It is my opinion, (which is shared by at least three other people that I know of lol) that those with the mark of the beast indeed get their mark deliberately, but in the form of tattoos everywhere, pins, rings and other piercings on their face and other body parts, along with their demonic hair cuts and colorings, and on and on the list can go to include all the different perversions loved by so many people today.

    I am not talking about a tattoo or normal earrings or normal hair coloring, I am talking about all those who decorate their bodies to imitate the jungle savages, the savages without God who worship false gods with their body paint, pins, lip and ear saucers, etc,. There are many savage imitators  already amongst us. Just go to the grocery store and you're likely to see at least one or two, many more in bigger stores.

    As for buying/selling, that is already here as well but only starting, currently, the savages just run you out of restaurants and scream a lot.

     

    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #10 on: October 06, 2018, 05:37:22 AM »
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  • Thank you Cera. That is the passage that gives me a problem.
    If anyone has been paying attention to world affairs, in China they have a social score that already has prevented many people from air travel. A similar system is slowly being rolled out here as well. Couple that with the RFID chip in the hand that one of the Nordic countries has recently been rolling out and is now considering making mandatory the chip.
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    You are observant to see what China and the Nordic countries are up to in this regard.
    Norway, Sweden and Denmark are among the leaders in antiChrist society trends.
    And China is as Godless as they come, although there are Catholic martyrs there.
    We might never know the names of all the Chinese martyrs.
    There are audio tapes made in the 40's and 50's providing some names and heroic stories, very edifying.
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    Bottom line, in order to be guilty of taking the "Mark of the Beast," you would have to give your consent.
    But remember, the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of God's mercy, which is the grace of the Holy Ghost.
    The answer is to practice contrition, and to strive your whole life long to perfect your sorrow for sin.
    You do this by doing PENANCE, which Protestants have a HUGE problem with.
    They say there is no spiritual value in "works" which is the worst lie ever.
    Works of penance are what makes us strong against the wiles of the devil.
    Without the practice of penance you become helpless against the devil's temptations.
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    At Fatima, the Angel of Peace (probably St. Michael the Archangel) taught the children to do penance.
    They spent their formative years perfecting their contrition and most likely did far more penance than they needed to do.
    That is, needed for their own sins.
    They did penance for others too, Jacinta being the foremost advocate of doing penance for the Holy Father.
    She never mentioned his name, so it applies to all the popes from her time to the end of the world.
    Her prayer was "O Lord, this (voluntary suffering) is in reparation for sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary, for the conversion of sinners, AND for the Holy Father."
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    Some people do penance sufficient for their own sins, and thereby gain graces for their own salvation.
    Some people do penance sufficient for their own sins and for the sins of others too, those are the saints.
    But only one person has done sufficient penance for the salvation of all the people who ever lived, and she is the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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    By offering their penances to Our Lady, the Fatima children perfected their works joining them with Our Lady's supersubstantial graces.
    It is noteworthy that St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort preached this very thing, that Our Lady takes our offerings and like the good mother, daughter and spouse that she is, knows how to arrange them to make them most pleasing to the Blessed Trinity.
    She is the mother of Our Lord, the daughter of the Father and the spouse of the Holy Ghost. 
    The Fatima children may not have known of St. Louis de Montfort's teachings but certainly St. Michael did, and he taught them.
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    By keeping this doctrine in mind and offering Our Lady our penances, we can perfect our contrition most expediently.
    In these days when the Bishop of Rome is a scandal to Catholics, the bar is raised: who would suffer for this pope?
    Who would think of offering penances for the conversion of the pope?
    Certainly not Protestants! And perhaps not even many Catholics!
    But that is what we are called to do, a most counter-intuitive thing, because nobody would think of that without guidance.
    Do not worry about what you would say when confronted with the choice of taking the Mark or suffering for not taking it.
    Just do penance, offer it to Our Lady, who perfects our offering to God, and the Holy Ghost will give you the words at the time.
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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #11 on: October 06, 2018, 09:58:02 AM »
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  • So, I’m trying to understand how we know, or assume, this chip is the mark of the beast? I also figured it was more of a visible sign....

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #12 on: October 06, 2018, 12:55:01 PM »
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  • When it comes right down to the decision, if whoever is still alive is given the opportunity to take it; it will be very obvious that by so doing it one will be rejected the True God.  A total abandonment of God.  Pretty much like Vatican II is.

    Take the time to read:   E Supremi On the Restoration of All things in Christ
    Pope Pius X - 1903 ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X ON THE RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS IN CHRIST

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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #13 on: October 06, 2018, 01:12:00 PM »
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  • So, I’m trying to understand how we know, or assume, this chip is the mark of the beast? I also figured it was more of a visible sign....
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    The Beast must be an anti-Christ entity, therefore acceptance of the Mark would have to entail denial of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
    That happened in Japan 400 years ago, and it's been happening elsewhere ever since.
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    Re: Mark of the beast
    « Reply #14 on: October 06, 2018, 01:36:55 PM »
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  • I honestly don’t worry about being on the business end of a gun or torture. It was always not knowing if I would recognize the sign of the mark so I could avoid it. I would far rather starve to death than take the mark.
    Cruiser, I am certain that God will make our choice clear to us. I suspect it will be
    ( in human terms) a difficult choice, like the choices given to the early martyrs.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

     

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