It says something that there is no gentle tread in demurring against Bishop Williamson's verdict and yet he is a Traditional successor of the Apostles!
The critique above is highly tendentious and comes from the pharisaical heart-set that is idolatrous of God's power and does not identify, as we should first, with His love.
How could one ever envisage reading that polluted material to children, as "the good bishop" has advised? It makes you wonder...
Thanks for posting this Stephanos II. If I ever had any curiosity towards reading this work, those excerpts quoted are enough to cure me of any desire to read this. If I want some devotional reading along these lines I think I will stick to the old and Church approved works by Mary Agreda and Anne Catherine Emmerich. I will definitely give this a pass.
Luke
Well I just spent an hour skim reading through a few chapters of this to satisfy myself that those quotes were in context. After reading some of this I am still not all that impressed. I can't say that I found any of those quotes that were used in the article but reading some of it hasn't changed my view on this. The writing doesn't seem at all inspired, it seems trite for lack of a better word. I wouldn't want to read this especially to impressionable children and have this shape their view of Our Lord.
Plus as a bonus I found this in one of the links provided by Andysloan:
10. I heard that the Medjugorje visionaries endorsed the Poem.
This is true. The Medjugorje visionaries have in fact stated, on more than one occasion, that Our Lady not only permits the reading of this work, but also encourages people to read it if they want to know Jesus (see evidence below). This fact, however, has no bearing on the authenticity of the Poem itself, whether positive or negative. It simply is what it is.
Vicka: "They are true. Yes, yes, true. Authentic, yes. You can read these, they are true."
(listen to audio recording here)
Marija: "You can read it." (EWTN Interview, March 4, 1992, Archbishop Hannan Focus program)
http://www.maria-valtorta.net/common_questions.html
Ya, the medju fail-train endorses this? not exactly a ringing endorsement. I stand by what I said earlier, I wouldn't touch this with a 10' pole
Ya, the medju fail-train endorses this? not exactly a ringing endorsement. I stand by what I said earlier, I wouldn't touch this with a 10' pol
Luker:
As regards the endorsement of the medjugorje "seers", have you considered that their endorsement could be a ploy of satan to turn people away from the revelation?
Quote from: andysloanLuker:
As regards the endorsement of the medjugorje "seers", have you considered that their endorsement could be a ploy of satan to turn people away from the revelation?
Honestly? No. Look you seem a big fan of the Poem thats fine I certainly am not going to change your mind. Perhaps trite was the wrong word, maybe 'horizontal' is a better word I am looking for. I can think of a few books off the top of my head on Our Lord on my reading list that sound much more promising to get to know and love him more:
1. Fr Faber, Precious Blood, At the Foot of the Cross, Bethlehem, ...
2. Frank J Sheed, To Know Christ Jesus
3. Fr Garrigou-Lagrange OP, The Love of God and the Cross of Jesus, Our Saviour and His Love for Us, Christ the Saviour ...
4. Did I mention Fr Faber? :)
God bless
Luke
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
As for EWTN - that is NO endorsement at all.
I watched EWTN and "mother Angelica" on Television and listened on Short Wave Radio to them for over 15 years ending a couple of years after Angelica was struck down, I believe, as punishment from God for her endorsing every V2 lie that came down the road and claiming that it was pre-conciliar truly Traditional Catholic. She never missed an opportunity to bad mouth His Excellency Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and claimed that every and all Traditional Catholics and Traditional Catholic movements, unless they were endorsed by the Novus Ordo sect, was rank heresy going to hell. She particularly singled out Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX for her hatred. She endorsed every looney tune Charismatic with every imaginable "message" that proclaimed every heresy that the real Church had condemned through the ages as a new sudden revelation. As for Benedict Groeschel, see below in the article about EWTN, in addition to what they say about him, he always defended the pederast "bishops."
Our Lord Jesus Christ said:
Matthew 24:
24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not
- See the below, it very accurately describes "mother Angelica" and EWTN to a tee:
EWTN, Mother Angelica and the Charismatic Movement Exposed (http://www.prophecyfilm.com/ewtn/)
EWTN, Mother Angelica and the Charismatic Movement Exposed
The Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN) is the dominant Vatican II so called Catholic religious television and radio network in the United States. Founded by Mother Angelica in the early 1980s, it is headquartered in Irondale, Alabama. The network is operated by a Vatican II Franciscan order. EWTN's programming consists of shows of many different genres, such as talk shows, docuмentaries, newscasts, music, and live broadcasts from the Vatican. Everyday, there is a Vatican II New Mass broadcast live from Irondale church and monastery. Available in over 200 million television households in more than 140 countries and territories, EWTN Global Network is by far the largest "religious" media network in the world.
History
Born Rita Rizzo, and reared in Canton, Ohio, Mother Angelica experienced poverty, a broken home, maltreatment, multiple physical ailments, jealously, back stabbing, betrayal—she was even shot at—but nothing could stop her determination.
In her lifetime, Mother established the Poor Clare Nuns of Perpetual Adoration and gave birth to the Franciscan Friars of the Eternal Word and the Sisters of the Eternal Word. She built the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament, as well as the largest shortwave network in the world and the world's first so called Catholic satellite network.
There was the time when, at age eleven, she was crossing a street only to see two headlights staring her right in the face. She thought she was dead. Incredibly, she was able to jump high enough that she avoided being hit. The driver called it "a miracle," while Rita and her mother dubbed it a graceful "lifting."
Her stomach ailments were so bad that she was forced to wear a corset. The doctors tried to help, but to little avail. Then she met an alleged stigmatic, Rhoda Wise, and that's when things began to change. One day, when she was 20, a voice told her to get up and walk without the corset, and she did just that. Immediately, her suffering was relieved. Her doctor, of course, insisted it had to with his treatments, but Rita knew better.
Her mother wasn't too happy when she learned that Rita had decided to enter a Cleveland monastery. After all, she had first been abandoned by her husband, and now her daughter was leaving her as well. But in time she would come to accept it. As for Rita, her failing knees (and the five stories of steps she had to traverse at the monastery), led to her being dispatched back home to Canton.
After nine years in the cloister, Sister Angelica took her solemn vows. Her legs and her back were so twisted she could hardly walk (she wore a body cast), leading her to beg God to allow her to walk again in exchange for a promise: she would build a monastery in the South. What she wanted was a "Negro apostolate," a cloistered community in service to poor blacks. After undergoing spinal surgery, and after being rebuffed initially by her bishop, she got her way; approval was given to build a monastery in Birmingham.
In 1978, her life was forever altered when she was introduced to a TV studio in Chicago. Instantly, she got the bug: she had to have one of her own. Then came the first of many disappointments dealing with the so called bishops. When she contacted them about a Catholic TV show, none replied. Undeterred, she secured funding from New York philanthropist Peter Grace, and in 1981 got a young lawyer, Bill Steltemeier, to craft a civil corporation called the Eternal Word Television Network. Bill would remain a loyal and talented ally throughout the tumultuous times to come.
When word reached Rome that a cloistered abbess was traveling the country in pursuit of her broadcasting dream, she ran into trouble with both American bishops and Vatican II officials. But thanks to "Cardinal" Silvio Oddi, head of the Sacred Congregation for the Clergy, she prevailed.
It was never easy. Every time Mother Angelica thought she was in the clear, another so called bishop would raise objections to her venture. Indeed, the bishops tried to outdo her by launching their own effort, the "Catholic Telecommunications Network of America" (CTNA). It was clear from the beginning that Mother Angelica was seen as a threat: EWTN had a "traditional" orientation and CTNA took a modernist stance. EWTN won. CTNA collapsed. We will now examine the so called "traditional" message that was broadcasted, and that are still broadcasted, from the so called "Catholic" EWTN Network.
EWTN: The Global "Catholic" Network and the Charismatic Movement
"In the chapel, [the Charismatic] Schlemon and the [Charismatic] priest laid hands on Mother, invoking the baptism of the Holy Spirit."1 About a week later "a foreign tongue spilled from Mother Angelica's mouth inexplicably. When Sister Regina came to deliver a glass of orange juice, Mother tried to say thank you, but 'something else came out.'"2
Mother Angelica, the foundress of the Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN)3
One of the "conservative" organizations affiliated with the Vatican II sect is EWTN, the global "Catholic" television network. Some misguided people have persuaded themselves and others that EWTN is a strong defender of Catholic truth spreading light to millions in a dark world. However, despite what many think, EWTN is actually a vehicle for some of the worst of the post- Vatican II apostasy. EWTN promoted John Paul II's interreligious apostasy at Assisi, and covered with approval Benedict XVI's apostasy at the ѕуηαgσgυє in Germany, as well as his initiation into Islam in a mosque in Turkey. EWTN promotes the heresy of salvation outside the Church; its show, The Journey Home, treats conversion to the Catholic Faith from Protestant sects as a preference, but not a necessity. This heretical and evil idea, that adhering to Protestant sects which reject the teaching of the true Church doesn't bar one from salvation, is articulated by almost all of the "converts" from Protestantism featured on The Journey Home.
EWTN's foundress Mother Angelica, who has been one of the most significant figures in the post- Vatican II sect, especially for its more "conservative" members, is someone for us to consider. Speaking about other religions during one show, EWTN foundress Mother Angelica asserted with pure religious indifferentism that we all have the same God. She specifically said: "You call him Allah, and we call him Jesus."
On another show with Mother Angelica, Alice Von Hildebrand (a frequent guest on EWTN) bluntly asserted that one can get to Heaven as a Buddhist. The way it was stated not only indicated that Buddhists can be saved (which is heresy, of course), but that there is no obligation whatsoever for a Buddhist to be a Catholic. In the face of this tremendous heresy and religious indifferentism, which was asserted right in front of her face, Mother Angelica posed no objection, and even commented with approval. Mother Angelica and EWTN have always been defenders of the heretical teachings of Vatican II.
Mother Angelica was also an outspoken defender of the worst kind of false ecuмenism, including with Jews. In one show, Mother Angelica and Fr. Benedict Groeschel were discussing the recent death of "Cardinal" John O'Connor. Fr. Groeschel mentioned that the Jews held a Jєωιѕн service in St. Patrick's Cathedral after the death of "Cardinal" John O'Connor. Groeschel, an incredible apostate, thought that the Jєωιѕн service in the Cathedral was a great thing. Mother Angelica also wasted no time in blurting out: "That's awesome!"
Thus, Mother Angelica held that the worst kind of false ecuмenism – a Jєωιѕн service in St. Patrick's Cathedral itself – is "awesome." These facts, by the way, refute the ridiculous assertion which was made in a book which is cited below: that EWTN supposedly went Modernist only after the departure of Mother Angelica from the reins of power. But even Raymond Arroyo, who wrote the biography for Mother Angelica and is one of her biggest supporters, bluntly admitted that she was a promoter of ecuмenism whose work could therefore be supported by members of non-Catholic religions. "The monastery [under Mother Angelica] had become an ecuмenical touchstone in Birmingham, an inspired project that Protestants, Jews, and Catholics could support. The personality of Mother Angelica made it so."4
In short, EWTN is a mechanism by which the Devil made post-Vatican II conservative-minded professing Catholics comfortable with the post-Vatican II apostasy.
In 1980, Mother Angelica went to North Carolina and appeared on the Protestant television network called PTL, which was founded by Assembly of God minister Jim Bakker and his wife, Tammy Faye. "Mother Angelica had appeared on PTL several times throughout 1979, to great acclaim, and was ranked in the polls as an audience favorite… Bakker was so taken with the nun, he dispatched a team of scenic designers to Birmingham to build her first studio set."5
The fact that a Protestant minister was so impressed with her that he actually sent a team to design her studio demonstrates, once again, that her message was not Catholic, but ecuмenical.
Mother Angelica was also actively involved in the Charismatic movement, a movement which is quite widespread in the Vatican II sect. The Charismatic movement is a false movement heavily infected with heretical and Protestant tendencies and ideas. On February 11, 1971, "Barbara Schlemon, a charismatic reputed to have the gift of healing, passed through Birmingham and asked Fr. De Grandis [a Charismatic priest] to take her to meet Mother Angelica… In the chapel, Schlemon and the priest laid hands on Mother, invoking the baptism of the Holy Spirit."6
About a week later "a foreign tongue spilled from Mother Angelica's mouth inexplicably. When Sister Regina came to deliver a glass of orange juice, Mother tried to say thank you, but 'something else came out.'"7
We must emphasize that this very significant fact is admitted in a biography about Mother Angelica which was written by one of her biggest supporters: the anchor of her network, Raymond Arroyo.
"On Holy Saturday in 1971, Father De Grandis and Mother prayed over each member of the community. All but one nun experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and everyone received something. Following this experience, Sister Joseph and other nuns believed the Lord began speaking to them. By Easter Sunday, the whole community was 'speaking in tongues.'"8
Speaking in languages not known by the individual who is speaking them, speaking in gibberish, etc. is very often a sign of diabolical possession. This is especially true when it comes as a result of a Charismatic experience in which one has had hands laid on him or her in order to receive "the spirit." Readers are, of course, perfectly free to take this or leave it: but an individual we know from Massachusetts, who was heavily involved in the Charismatic movement years ago, actually told one of us that he felt a demon enter him after a Charismatic had laid his hand on him at a service. He also told us that, at one Charismatic conference, God allowed him to see a small demon enter a room. Amazed, he followed the demon and waited to see if it would come back out of the room; but the only thing which emerged from the room was the Charismatic "priest" who was about to perform his "healing" service by praying over people. This experience caused this individual to abandon the Charismatic movement.
Here is another interesting testimony from a person who was heavily involved in the Charismatic movement of the Vatican II church. This testimony is actually quite scary to tell the truth, and it does show to people how heavily involved the devil is in these new age cults.
"Your conversation with the young man from Texas brought back many memories of my own involvement with the charismatic movement in the Vatican II "Catholic" church - but it involves many Protestant churches as well. As long as one is able to "speak in tongues" he is most accepted - with open arms - into this most dangerous and spiritually unsound movement. It places unspiritual emphasis on physical healing… When you join you are "coming under the power" a practice which is performed often on you - which causes you to swoon, faint slump down, and remain unconscious for several seconds or longer. Hypnotic suggestions opens one up to either pretended or demonically energized results which parallel those of the occult. The last meeting I attended finally opened my eyes to how dangerous and totally of the devil this movement is. Was sitting in the back of a room that was rented inside a hotel for this particular meeting. As it got started this women jumped up and started speaking in this most frightening, gibberish language. Then everyone else started to do the same - this endless screaming and chanting - which seemed to go on forever - and then there was dead silence with everyone dropping their heads as in a trace. My friend and I were witnessing this, (and hardly believing what we were seeing), from the back of the room. The coldness in the air cut through us like a knife. We knew we had to get out of there - and fast!! We could hardly make it out of our chairs - our legs felt like lead. We managed to get to the exit door and as I turned my head to look back, ( and to this day I'll never know why I did ), EVERYONE in that room was staring straight at us. This dead zombie like stare!! Then they started SCREAMING "get thee behind me Satan" over and over and over again. The last thing I remember before darting out the door was a slight cloud of smoke coming up from the floor in the front of that room.
"Through the grace of God I was able to break free from this most dangerous cult and then many years later, through your ministry, find the True Catholic Church. The devil prowls around the world like a roaring lion seeking the ruin of souls. He attempts to lay countless traps to ensnare us into the pit of darkness and lukewarmness. What a comfort to know we can rely upon the intercession of Our Most Holy Queen and Mother to help us to resist the wiles of the ancient adversary and his minions, especially by "fleeing from" and withdrawing as far as is possible from a culture that is diabolically demonic. My prayers will be with this young man in hopes that he will "seek and find" the True Catholic Faith."
We believe that God allows the Devil to take people over in these Charismatic services because by partaking in them people are essentially saying that the sacraments of the Catholic Church, the seven instituted by Jesus Christ, are not sufficient. They are professing, therefore, that they need a new set of man-made rites – rites which are outside the sacramental system – in order to really receive "the spirit." By participation in such "rites," they are essentially participating in a new religion in order to gain access to "the spirit" outside the means specifically set up by Christ. As a consequence, these Charismatic "rites" become new "sacraments" of a false religion which give access to the evil, not the Holy, spirit.
It should be emphasized that the laying on of hands is present throughout the New Testament as the matter for the Sacrament of Confirmation (e.g. Acts 8:17; Acts 19:6) – a sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ. It's ironic that in the new "Confirmation" in the Vatican II sect the laying on of hands has been abolished, but Charismatics continue to use the laying on of hands in their own services in order to transmit "the spirit." Since we know that their laying on of hands in an attempt to transmit the "spirit" is not the Sacrament of Confirmation (for even women and laymen do it), it is actually the Counter Confirmation – a false sacrament which therefore gives access, once again, not to the Holy, but to the evil spirit.
So, as a worthy recipient of the Sacrament of Confirmation receives a deeper endowment of the Holy Ghost, the active participation in such new "rites" or "sacraments" of the false Charismatic religion – by partaking in things such as the laying on of hands – gives these unfortunate individuals a deep endowment of the evil spirit. That's why at many of these Charismatic meetings the "Catholics" actually find themselves oinking like pigs, barking like dogs, and breaking out into outrageously uncontrollable laughter. These things, especially oinking like pigs and barking like dogs, are clear signs of demonic possession.
We make reference to this first individual's experience because Mother Angelica herself not only spoke repeatedly of her own mystical "experiences," but she also admitted something striking about her reaction to having hands laid on her by Charismatics. Her reaction dovetails with this gentleman's experience. Mother Angelica said that her experience, in which words she hadn't intended to speak spilled out of her mouth after having had hands laid on her by Charismatics, scared her. She recalled: "Words came out, but I didn't know what they were. It scared me."9
Mother Angelica didn't realize that it was an evil spirit which she had picked up after involvement with the Charismatics. She continued to promote this movement.
On Dec. 2, 1977, Mother Angelica led a Charismatic retreat in Birmingham with 28 leaders in her work, who were called "Guardians." Standing in the chapel, "Mother laid her hands on each guardian, praying in tongues for their fidelity. Some sang out in holy gibberish, others were 'slain in the Spirit.'"10 One of the participants said afterwards that it was "charismania at its height."11 After the death of Paul VI, "Mother Angelica laid hands on Matt Scalici, Jr. in her chapel."12
Mother Angelica's biography claims that after this time she "gradually" pulled out of the Charismatic movement. This is an empty claim, for her network continued to promote the biggest charismatics in the country, such as the figures at Franciscan University and those of their ilk.
We find Mother Angelica's early involvement in the diabolical Charismatic movement very significant. It's significant because EWTN has been a vehicle by which the Devil has kept many "conservatives" inside the Vatican II sect by its mixture of conservatism (i.e. some things which are true to Catholic Tradition) with the apostasy of the Vatican II religion. Personalities such as Mother Angelica have acted as magnets to keep "conservatives" deceived and devoted to the Counter Church. Many are persuaded that figures such as Mother Angelica in the post-Vatican II "Church" are proof that true spiritual vitality is still to be found there when, in truth, it is a false "Church" and adherence to its apostasy leads to damnation. It makes sense that the leader of this deceptive apostolate at EWTN, Mother Angelica, got her start by receiving a diabolical spirit at a Charismatic event.
In fact, Mother Angelica has claimed that numerous mystical experiences guided her course at EWTN.
"During a bright spot in her convalescence, Mother claims to have seen the child Jesus dashing down the halls of the monastery. This was by no means an isolated event."13
Does it sound like the Child Jesus to be "dashing down the halls"? Or does it sound more like what a demon would be doing as he goes about his work for the destruction of souls? Based on what we've covered already about Mother Angelica's endorsement of heresy, false religions and the diabolical Charismatic movement, a true Catholic would have to conclude that Mother Angelica actually saw the latter, not the former.
Matthew 24:24-25- "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, beforehand."
Mother Angelica also claimed that the Child Jesus appeared to her and told her, "Build me a temple and I will help those who help you."14 While churches can be described as "temples" (2 Thess. 2:4) a "temple" can also describe a Jєωιѕн house of worship and a Masonic lodge. Since Mother Angelica has promoted the heretical and false idea that Jews don't need Jesus Christ for salvation – proven by, among other things, her adherence to the antipopes who teach this – it's certain that it was not Our Lord Jesus telling her to build a Catholic temple. Rather, it was another evil spirit (one similar to that which she received at the Charismatic event) cryptically telling her to build a "temple" for the New Church religion of the Vatican II sect. It's very interesting that the top of the Cross on the outside of this "temple" (a temple that Mother Angelica spent about 50 million dollars to build!) was incredibly blown off cleanly by a bolt of lightning during a powerful storm, leaving only a "T," not the regular Cross. It remains that way to this day.
Moving back to the apostasy promoted by EWTN, Fr. Benedict Groeschel is a huge figure at EWTN. Groeschel has turned away converts, declared that he never "bought" that non-Catholics can't be saved (a defined dogma), preached in "200 Protestant churches and a hundred ѕуηαgσgυєs," and said that the sacraments are not necessary for salvation, and even denied that Our Lord even said "Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood you shall not have life in you" (John 6:54)!15
EWTN's "experts" totally reject the necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation. EWTN's "experts" inform non-Catholic inquirers – including a Jew who rejects Christ and the wife of an "Orthodox" schismatic wondering about her husband's obligation to convert – that they are fine for Heaven right where they are.16
EWTN also promotes an organization called the Association of Hebrew Catholics (AHC). The Association of Hebrew Catholics is composed of supposed "converts" from Judaism. They are attempting to create, in effect, a Jєωιѕн sect inside the "Catholic Church." This organization is headed by David Moss, who has been featured on EWTN numerous times. David Moss is the brother of Rosalind Moss, who also has hosted shows on EWTN and is employed by "Catholic Answers." This AHC – composed of supposed converts from Judaism – promotes that Catholics converted from Judaism may continue to practice the Old Law (an idea solemnly condemned by the Council of Florence).
"Ignoring the Church's teaching that the rituals and observances of the Mosaic law have been abolished with the New Covenant and that it is mortally sinful to observe them, Moss recommended that the Catholic inquirer 'go to a local ѕуηαgσgυє and watch what they do and listen to it. You can take part in a Seder,' he added… Moss then recommended that Catholics follow suit [that is, follow the practice of 'Messianic Jews'] by celebrating Passover and Rosh haShanah… This conclusion is supported by an item on AHC's website entitled: 'Through the Hebrew Catholic Year: A Collection of Traditions and Prayers for the Jєωιѕн Holidays for Catholics.' Here AHC advocates a 'Catholic' celebration of Rosh haShanah, Yom Kippur, Succoth, Purim, Passover, Shavuoth, and Hanukkah, using prayers 'adapted from traditional Jєωιѕн prayer books.'"17
This is a promotion of mortal sin, heresy and apostasy.
EWTN is unfortunately a very heretical, modernist, false ecuмenical network, which mixes apostasy, a promotion of Vatican II, the New Mass and the New Religion with some interesting programming. Here's an interesting e-mail we received on this issue:
"Good morning, Turned on EWTN this morning. I find myself occasionally viewing the Novus Ordo service during this my decision process, i.e., what to do (relative to my Catholic Faith). I heard the "main celebrant" Fr. Francis state: '...the Church never said other Christians will not receive salvation...those that say this are liars or misinformed...the Catholic Church is like a five course meal, if you want the whole meal, come to the Church..'
"The day's homily is available online (I think next day). This "doctrine" has gone, real time, to untold numbers.
Pray for me,
G. M."
We wonder if any of the EWTN supporters who heard or watched the sermon ever deeply considered its implications: what it means about their presence at church, their entire effort to attend "Mass," etc. We wonder if it hit any of them that this means that being a Catholic, praying the Rosary, going to confession, etc. is pointless.
We certainly hope for the conversion of "Fr." Francis, but we must say that he is too blinded by his apostasy to realize his foolishness. He is too blinded to realize that he holds that his own "priesthood" – the entire EWTN Network – is a complete waste of time. If you believe what EWTN and "Fr." Francis do, you would have to be a complete idiot to be Catholic. You could just head down to the local Lutheran church, confess your faith in Jesus as Lord, and head on your way.
So don't be fooled by externals. Heretics have always had externals to one degree or another. Don't be fooled by those who claim to have some attachment to the Catholic Faith or Our Lord or Our Lady or the Saints, but reject a dogma. Unless they accept the entire truth, they are phonies. "Fr." Francis sometimes speaks of bringing the young to Christ on his show "Life on the Rock." Sounds great and devoted, doesn't it? But then he publicly commented on and praised Benedict XVI's Christ-denying visit to the ѕуηαgσgυє and endorsement of the Jєωιѕн religion. He speaks of bringing the young to Christ when he believes that Christ is meaningless.
This e-mail shows us again that phonies mix an attachment to some things Catholic with a rejection of its truth. They act as if they are devoted to God, and surely say some good and conservative things, but they are abominations in God's sight.
Since we're speaking of phonies, mention must be made of "Fr." John Corapi of EWTN. Those who have seen him know that Corapi gives talks as if he is devoted to Our Lord and the Catholic Faith – "thundering" against sin and defending the Eucharist in his melodramatic fashion. He is an utter phony, for he holds that it is all meaningless. He holds that you can be a Protestant who completely rejects Our Lady, the Papacy and the Eucharist, or even a Jew who completely rejects Christ.
Speaking about the conflict between Protestants and professing Catholics in Ireland, "Fr." John Corapi declared: "I don't care if you're Baptist or Catholic; you are Christian. Just practice it." That is blatantly heretical.
They are like "whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. [They] outwardly appear righteous to men, but within are full of hypocrisy and iniquity." (Matthew 23:28)
One of us called "Fr." Corapi's secretary once, and asked her: "Is it necessary to be a Catholic to be saved?" She responded with the blunt answer: "No." One of us then said, "then why be a Catholic?" She said: "Because it is the fullness of truth." One of us responded: "But it's not necessary according to you." She agreed. Behold the emptiness, the stupidity and the evil of the Vatican II religion.
A new book entitled A Network Gone Wrong (by Chris Ferrara, Good Counsel Publications, Pound Ridge, NY) was recently published. The book is being vigorously promoted Nicholas Gruner's apostolate. Gruner's apostolate is even sending out free copies of this book. Simply put, the book is an all-out assault on the television network EWTN (Eternal Word Television Network) which has become, according to the book, a network of apostasy since the departure of Mother Angelica from the reins of power.
Much can be garnered about the purpose of the book in examining the book's thesis. The thesis of the book, repeated prominently throughout, is that EWTN has become a network of apostasy since the departure of Mother Angelica – as if it had not been a network of apostasy before that time!
Chris Ferrara, EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong, p. 5: "With Mother Angelica's departure as the network's signature personality by the end of 2001, the original vision of the network as a counter-Modernist force for a Catholic restoration was quickly lost and has never been recovered. Mother's vision has been replaced by an 'ecuмenical,' watered-down blandness, delivered largely by ex-Protestant ministers, combined with lame attempts at 'cool' Catholicism with a heavy emphasis on rock music."
"Fr." Nicholas Gruner, Letter on promotion of the book EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong: "All of these scandalous novelties are on EWTN! And they undermine the Faith! Over and over again, Catholics complain to us about EWTN's scandals. Faithful and informed Catholics are disgusted with EWTN's brand of 'Catholicism.' All of this has been happening since Mother Angelica gave up control of EWTN in March 2000 – 6 years ago."
What a lie! For anyone who has just a little honesty and a little familiarity with the positions and programming of EWTN prior to Mother Angelica's "departure" in 2000 or 2001 (whenever you want to date it), this statement is quickly seen to be an outrageous falsehood. Under the control of Mother Angelica, EWTN promoted the same false ecuмenism, the same denial of Outside the Church There is No Salvation, the same rejection of the necessity for Protestants to convert (as exemplified on The Journey Home), the same type of Rock Music (Life on the Rock), etc. that Ferrara complains about and denounces in his book. During the reign of Mother Angelica, EWTN covered and promoted John Paul II's interreligious apostasy – for instance, his Pan-Christian Encounter in 1999 and many other events with heretics and schismatics– it promoted the cult of John Paul II and, of course, it promoted the New Mass and Vatican II to the core, while rejecting independent traditionalists. (Jeff Cavins, by the way, said on EWTN radio that our material should be thrown in the trash.) EWTN was the same network of apostasy under Mother Angelica that it is now, with minor differences in programming, such as would change on any network from year to year. This, of course, is very obvious and well known to anyone who knows anything about the network (as Ferrara and Gruner certainly do) and is honest at all.
In response to this book, even EWTN personality "Fr." John Trigilio objected to the ridiculous assertion that everything has changed since the demise of the popular nun:
"Fr." John Trigilio, in response to EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong: "I have known Reverend Mother Angelica these past ten years, along with Deacon Bill Steltemeier and many of the staff in production and programming, Internet services, the theology department, and so on. It is a gross distortion to infer that EWTN, since Mother's stroke and subsequent absence from the camera, has deteriorated into a modernist, heterodox, sacrilegious agent of modern Catholic media."
(http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/060307)
To assert that EWTN has spiraled into apostasy and modernism and the promotion of the aforementioned things only since the departure of Mother Angelica is one of the biggest and most outrageous lies we've ever heard.
The Devil wants people to stay with the counterfeit Church of the Vatican II sect. He wants people to stay with the invalid New Mass. This is the whole purpose of the lies, and many similar false messages. The Devil wants to keep conservative-minded "Catholics" inside the Vatican II parishes, in communion with the new Vatican II religion, and under the manifestly heretical and non-Catholic Vatican II antipopes. In order to accomplish this, the Devil uses people such as Mother Angelica. And in order to be ultra-effective, in the false messages which he gives them he includes conservative statements.
Endnotes for Section 35:
1 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, Random House, Inc., 2005, p. 120.
2 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 121.
3 Shown in Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica; from OLAM.
4 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 98.
5 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, pp. 148-149.
6 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 120.
7 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 121.
8 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 123.
9 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 121.
10 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 135.
11 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 135.
12 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 142.
13 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 314.
14 Raymond Arroyo, Mother Angelica, p. 255.
15 Chris Ferrara, EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong, Pound Ridge, NY: Good Counsel Publications, 2006, p. 79; pp. 86-90.
16 EWTN Q & A Forum, advice by Richard Geraghty of Feb. 19, 2005 on "Non-Catholic Salvation."
17 EWTN broadcast of March 7, 2005; quoted by Chris Ferrara, EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong, p. 146
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
Quote from: Stephanos II
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
As for EWTN - that is NO endorsement at all.
I watched EWTN and "mother Angelica" on Television and listened on Short Wave Radio to them for over 15 years ending a couple of years after Angelica was struck down, I believe, as punishment from God for her endorsing every V2 lie that came down the road and claiming that it was pre-conciliar truly Traditional Catholic. She never missed an opportunity to bad mouth His Excellency Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and claimed that every and all Traditional Catholics and Traditional Catholic movements, unless they were endorsed by the Novus Ordo sect, was rank heresy going to hell. She particularly singled out Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX for her hatred. She endorsed every looney tune Charismatic with every imaginable "message" that proclaimed every heresy that the real Church had condemned through the ages as a new sudden revelation. As for Benedict Groeschel, see below in the article about EWTN, in addition to what they say about him, he always defended the pederast "bishops."
Our Lord Jesus Christ said:
Matthew 24:
24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not
- See the below, it very accurately describes "mother Angelica" and EWTN to a tee:
EWTN, Mother Angelica and the Charismatic Movement Exposed (http://www.prophecyfilm.com/ewtn/)
EWTN, Mother Angelica and the Charismatic Movement Exposed
From Tradition in Action: Valtorta's Poem of the Man-God (http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_042_Valtorta.htm)
Valtorta’s Poem of the Man-God
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
Book review of Peom of the Man-God by Maria Valtorta, 10 volumes, online edition
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
As for EWTN - that is NO endorsement at all.
I watched EWTN and "mother Angelica" on Television and listened on Short Wave Radio to them for over 15 years ending a couple of years after Angelica was struck down, I believe, as punishment from God for her endorsing every V2 lie that came down the road and claiming that it was pre-conciliar truly Traditional Catholic. She never missed an opportunity to bad mouth His Excellency Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and claimed that every and all Traditional Catholics and Traditional Catholic movements, unless they were endorsed by the Novus Ordo sect, was rank heresy going to hell. She particularly singled out Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX for her hatred. She endorsed every looney tune Charismatic with every imaginable "message" that proclaimed every heresy that the real Church had condemned through the ages as a new sudden revelation. As for Benedict Groeschel, see below in the article about EWTN, in addition to what they say about him, he always defended the pederast "bishops."
Our Lord Jesus Christ said:
Matthew 24:
24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not
- See the below, it very accurately describes "mother Angelica" and EWTN to a tee:
EWTN, Mother Angelica and the Charismatic Movement Exposed (http://www.prophecyfilm.com/ewtn/)
Quote from: Stephanos II
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
Tradition in Action here: Tradition in Action (http://www.traditioninaction.org/) is the site of Atila Sinke Guimarães who wrote the first comprehensive critique showing the immense errors of V2, "In the Murky Waters of Vatican II," by Atila Sinke Guimarães, Volume I From the Collection: Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?.
See this here for excerpts-
In the Murky Waters of Vatican II by Atila Sinke Guimarães, Volume I From the Collection: Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?
To sum up:Quote from: Stephanos IIFrom Tradition in Action: Valtorta's Poem of the Man-God (http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_042_Valtorta.htm)
Valtorta’s Poem of the Man-God
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
Book review of Peom of the Man-God by Maria Valtorta, 10 volumes, online edition
Quote from: Stephanos II
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
As for EWTN - that is NO endorsement at all.
I watched EWTN and "mother Angelica" on Television and listened on Short Wave Radio to them for over 15 years ending a couple of years after Angelica was struck down, I believe, as punishment from God for her endorsing every V2 lie that came down the road and claiming that it was pre-conciliar truly Traditional Catholic. She never missed an opportunity to bad mouth His Excellency Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and claimed that every and all Traditional Catholics and Traditional Catholic movements, unless they were endorsed by the Novus Ordo sect, was rank heresy going to hell. She particularly singled out Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX for her hatred. She endorsed every looney tune Charismatic with every imaginable "message" that proclaimed every heresy that the real Church had condemned through the ages as a new sudden revelation. As for Benedict Groeschel, see below in the article about EWTN, in addition to what they say about him, he always defended the pederast "bishops."
Our Lord Jesus Christ said:
Matthew 24:
24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not
- See the below, it very accurately describes "mother Angelica" and EWTN to a tee:
EWTN, Mother Angelica and the Charismatic Movement Exposed (http://www.prophecyfilm.com/ewtn/)Quote from: Stephanos IIQuote from: Stephanos II
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
Tradition in Action here: Tradition in Action (http://www.traditioninaction.org/) is the site of Atila Sinke Guimarães who wrote the first comprehensive critique showing the immense errors of V2, "In the Murky Waters of Vatican II," by Atila Sinke Guimarães, Volume I From the Collection: Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?.
See this here for excerpts-
In the Murky Waters of Vatican II by Atila Sinke Guimarães, Volume I From the Collection: Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?
See this -
In the Murky Waters of Vatican II by Atila Sinke Guimarães, Volume I From the Collection: Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?
The Apostasy of the False Council of Vatican II (http://onlinecatholicbooks.blogspot.com/)
__________________________________________________________________
Be warned, the whole idea of a Man-God, is formally speaking in Catholic Theology the Antichrist as the Simia Christi or Ape of Christ by the instigation of Satan speaking the same lie the Devil spoke in the Garden of Eden, that man could become God.
That is NOT Our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the God-man. God who became man. The difference between the two, the Man-God and the God-man, is infinite and absolute. Man-God is from the Devil - PERIOD.
God took flesh and became man. Man did not take Godhood from God the Father and become God.
St. Paul said: Romans 10:6
But the justice which is of faith, speaketh thus: Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? that is, to bring Christ down;
The God-man is Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. He is emphatically NOT the Man-God; that is blasphemous Satanic apostate absolute heresy to call Him that.
The Man-God also has its roots in Teilhard de Chardin's utter apostasy. More coming on that. (http://fathermalachimartin.blogspot.com/2013/11/marie-joseph-pierre-teilhard-de-chardin.html)
Our Lord tells Maria Valtorta the reason for the work:
Quote from: Stephanos IITo sum up:Quote from: Stephanos IIFrom Tradition in Action: Valtorta's Poem of the Man-God (http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_042_Valtorta.htm)
Valtorta’s Poem of the Man-God
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
Book review of Peom of the Man-God by Maria Valtorta, 10 volumes, online edition
Quote from: Stephanos II
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
As for EWTN - that is NO endorsement at all.
I watched EWTN and "mother Angelica" on Television and listened on Short Wave Radio to them for over 15 years ending a couple of years after Angelica was struck down, I believe, as punishment from God for her endorsing every V2 lie that came down the road and claiming that it was pre-conciliar truly Traditional Catholic. She never missed an opportunity to bad mouth His Excellency Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and claimed that every and all Traditional Catholics and Traditional Catholic movements, unless they were endorsed by the Novus Ordo sect, was rank heresy going to hell. She particularly singled out Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX for her hatred. She endorsed every looney tune Charismatic with every imaginable "message" that proclaimed every heresy that the real Church had condemned through the ages as a new sudden revelation. As for Benedict Groeschel, see below in the article about EWTN, in addition to what they say about him, he always defended the pederast "bishops."
Our Lord Jesus Christ said:
Matthew 24:
24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not
- See the below, it very accurately describes "mother Angelica" and EWTN to a tee:
EWTN, Mother Angelica and the Charismatic Movement Exposed (http://www.prophecyfilm.com/ewtn/)Quote from: Stephanos IIQuote from: Stephanos II
Tradition in Action, where the original post is from, is run by Catholic scholars who are very accurate in what they say.
Tradition in Action here: Tradition in Action (http://www.traditioninaction.org/) is the site of Atila Sinke Guimarães who wrote the first comprehensive critique showing the immense errors of V2, "In the Murky Waters of Vatican II," by Atila Sinke Guimarães, Volume I From the Collection: Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?.
See this here for excerpts-
In the Murky Waters of Vatican II by Atila Sinke Guimarães, Volume I From the Collection: Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?
See this -
In the Murky Waters of Vatican II by Atila Sinke Guimarães, Volume I From the Collection: Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?
The Apostasy of the False Council of Vatican II (http://onlinecatholicbooks.blogspot.com/)
__________________________________________________________________
Be warned, the whole idea of a Man-God, is formally speaking in Catholic Theology the Antichrist as the Simia Christi or Ape of Christ by the instigation of Satan speaking the same lie the Devil spoke in the Garden of Eden, that man could become God.
That is NOT Our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the God-man. God who became man. The difference between the two, the Man-God and the God-man, is infinite and absolute. Man-God is from the Devil - PERIOD.
God took flesh and became man. Man did not take Godhood from God the Father and become God.
St. Paul said: Romans 10:6
But the justice which is of faith, speaketh thus: Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? that is, to bring Christ down;
The God-man is Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. He is emphatically NOT the Man-God; that is blasphemous Satanic apostate absolute heresy to call Him that.
The Man-God also has its roots in Teilhard de Chardin's utter apostasy. More coming on that. (http://fathermalachimartin.blogspot.com/2013/11/marie-joseph-pierre-teilhard-de-chardin.html)
The Man-God also has its roots in Teilhard de Chardin's utter apostasy. More coming on that.
See here:
Marie Joseph Pierre Teilhard de Chardin SJ 1881-1955 fake and apostate - The Phenomenon of Man - evolutionary witchcraft of the Devil (http://fathermalachimartin.blogspot.com/2013/11/marie-joseph-pierre-teilhard-de-chardin.html)
The Apostates who mock God and His Christ in former Catholic, Protestant and Christian churches are led by the spirit of theistic pantheism - God blended with self and universe and mystical experience, in a word: "witchcraft."
Galatians 5:
20 Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,
21 ... Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.
Father Malachi Martin - witness to the Truth: Primacy: How the Institutional Roman Catholic Church Became a Creature of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin the practicing witch.
why do you not say "Maria Valtorta says Our Lord tells Maria Valtorta the reason for the work"? Wouldn't that be more honest? After all we only have Maria's and her minders' word for it.
To Nadir,
[Your] response was uncharitable. You know I sincerely subscribe to Maria Valtorta's revelations
but you respond with sarcasm, Because you don't accept it, then you express derision. And also it is not "just her minders" that endorse the works, as the websites I posted earlier in the thread testify. Thus neither was your question polite or accurate. Is that not true? As regards your assertion of "almost pornographic revelations", I would like to see an example that could fit this classification.
However, because our present society has so lost innocence, I can understand some may recoil from some interactions,
yet as St Paul says: 1 Corinthians 16:20
"All the brethren salute you. Salute one another with a holy kiss."
Where do we see this now? Not just the kiss, but a holy one!!!
God bless you? [sic]
To Stephanos II
The Athanasian Creed is so beautiful! But, respectfully, the fact that Christ isn't termed as "Man-God" does not deny the validity of this definition.
God bless you!!
Andy, here is another question.
Instead of "correcting" for my "unbrotherliness" in asking you a polite question, why do you not just answer it? Here it is again.
QuoteWhy do you not say "Maria Valtorta says Our Lord tells Maria Valtorta the reason for the work"? Wouldn't that be more honest? After all we only have Maria's and her minders' word for it.
And again, why do disregard the repulsive, almost pornographic "revelations" that "fill in the gaps" in the Holy Bible? It takes 10 volumes to fill in the gaps in the Holy Bible?
Your opinion as regards Maria Valtorta is not shared by everyone.
andysloan posted
Christ himself, according to Maria Valtorta (The Poem of the Man-God, vol 5, pp. 947-948), according to the vision and words she received April 27, 1948):
"....
And the purpose of this Work [The Poem] is also to clarify certain points that a number of circuмstances has covered with darkness, and they thus form dark zones in the brightness of the evangelic picture, and points that seem a rupture and are only obscured points, between one episode and another -- indecipherable points -- and the ability to decipher them is the key to correctly understand certain situations that had arisen and certain strong manners that I had to have, so contrasting with My continuous exhortations to forgive, to be meek and humble: a certain rigidity towards obstinate, inconvertible opponents.
St. John asked the person in the visions to appear as Jesus in other ways, as younger, as older, in various situations, and the vision accommodated his requests. That is, his requests were accommodated until he got to one in particular. Do you know what that one was, the one that was different from the others?
Neil Obstat said:QuoteSt. John asked the person in the visions to appear as Jesus in other ways, as younger, as older, in various situations, and the vision accommodated his requests. That is, his requests were accommodated until he got to one in particular. Do you know what that one was, the one that was different from the others?
Neil, do not hold your breath while you await an answer. Andy will give you a website to refer to or quote again from somewhere or other, but he won't answer your question. I am still waiting for my answer by the way.
Besides, who needs St John of the Cross when you can read MV?
You misconstrue my words... besides, there is serious testimony to support its approbation by Pope Pius XlI.
Quote from: andysloan
Christ himself, according to Maria Valtorta (The Poem of the Man-God, vol 5, pp. 947-948), according to the vision and words she received April 27, 1948):
"....
And the purpose of this Work [The Poem] is also to clarify certain points that a number of circuмstances has covered with darkness, and they thus form dark zones in the brightness of the evangelic picture, and points that seem a rupture and are only obscured points, between one episode and another -- indecipherable points -- and the ability to decipher them is the key to correctly understand certain situations that had arisen and certain strong manners that I had to have, so contrasting with My continuous exhortations to forgive, to be meek and humble: a certain rigidity towards obstinate, inconvertible opponents.
You see! What MV is saying here is that Jesus has come to teach that we no longer need the Church to interpret the Holy Bible. Because MV"s "Jesus" is doing it for us.
Is this not rank heresy?
To Nadir,
[Your] response was uncharitable. You know I sincerely subscribe to Maria Valtorta's revelations
but you respond with sarcasm, Because [sic] you don't accept it, then you express derision. And also it is not "just her minders" that endorse the works, as the websites I posted earlier in the thread testify. Thus neither was your question polite or accurate.
Is that not true? As regards your assertion of "almost pornographic revelations", I would like to see an example that could fit this classification.
However, because our present society has so lost innocence, I can understand some may recoil from some interactions,
yet as St Paul says: 1 Corinthians 16:20
"All the brethren salute you. Salute one another with a holy kiss."
Where do we see this now? Not just the kiss, but a holy one!!!
God bless you? [sic]
(http://valtorta.org/images/monkeyingwithDarwin.jpg)
DARWIN & MONKEYS (excerpted from THE NOTEBOOKS 1943, December 20th)
Jesus says:
"One of the points at which your pride founders in error--which, above all, degrades precisely your haughtiness by giving you an origin that, if you were less corrupted by pride, you would repudiate as degrading--is that of Darwin's theory.
In order not to admit God, who, in His power, was able to have created the universe from nothing and man from the already created mud, you take the paternity of a beast as your own.
Don't you realize you are diminishing yourselves, for--consider this--won't a beast--no matter how exemplary, selected, improved, and perfected in form and instinct, and, if your [sic] wish, even in mental formation--always be a beast? Don't you realize this? This testifies unfavorably regarding your pride as pseudo-supermen.
But if you fail to realize, I will not be the one to waste words to make you aware of it and converted from the error. I ask you only one question which, in your great numbers, you have never asked yourselves. And if you can answer Me with facts, I will no longer combat this degrading theory of yours.
If man is a spin-off from the monkey, which by progressive evolution has become man, how is it that over so many years in which you have maintained this theory you have never succeeded, not even with the perfected instruments and methods at present, in making a man from a monkey? You could have taken the most intelligent offspring of a pair of intelligent moneys and then their intelligent offspring, and so on. You would now have many generations of selected, instructed monkeys cared for by the most patient, tenacious, and sagacious scientific method. But you would still have monkeys. If there happened to be a mutation, it would be this: the beasts would be physically less strong than the former ones and morally more degenerate, for, with all your methods and instruments, you would have destroyed that perfection of the monkey which My Father created for these quadrumans.
Another question. If man came from the monkey, how is it that man, even with grafts and repugnant forms of cross-fertilization, does not become a monkey again? You would be capable even of attempting these horrors if you knew that it could give approvative [sic] sanction to your theory. But you do not do so because you know that you would not be able to turn a man into a monkey. You would turn him into an ugly son of man, a degenerate, perhaps a criminal. But never a real monkey. You do not try because you know beforehand that you would get a poor result and your reputation would emerge therefrom in ruins.
For this reason you do not do so. For no other. [sic - not a sentence] For you feel no remorse or horror over degrading a man to the level of a beast to maintain a thesis of yours. You are capbable [sic] of this and of much more. You are already beasts because you deny God and kill the spirit, which distinguishes you from the beasts.
Your science causes Me horror. You degrade the intellect and like madmen do not even realize you are degrading it. In truth, I tell you that many of the primitive are more men than you are."
Written by Maria Valtorta
(http://valtorta.org/images/mv%20face.jpg)
http://valtorta.org/
Neil Obstat - I would suggest printing out all you have written in this thread to a neighbour and take it for reflection before the Blessed Sacrament. Maybe, in your present complacency you will scoff at this suggestion. But when Russia and China are releasing their nuclear missiles, perhaps your attitude will be rather different than present.
.Quote from: andysloan
You misconstrue my words... besides, there is serious testimony to support its approbation by Pope Pius XlI.
Let's see: Would that be the same Pius XII who hired Annibale Bugnini (whose "name shall live in infamy among those who love the Church’s traditional worship," according to Fr. Z (http://wdtprs.com/blog/2010/10/the-bolletino-slips-on-a-banana/)) and stuck him into the new commission for reform of the liturgy? -- That Pius XII?
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You do not behave like a Catholic. You take cheap shots at Pope Pius XII, a Pope beloved by Catholics and who lived a life of unquestionable orthodoxy, and died with a pristine reputation.
His name does not live in infamy among good Catholics, only rotten Catholics who show their rot and foul mouths in speech and writing strait from Hell when they speak with despicable language against our beloved deceased Holy Father.
I expect such filth from Protestants, not Catholics.
.Quote from: andysloan
You misconstrue my words... besides, there is serious testimony to support its approbation by Pope Pius XlI.
Let's see: Would that be the same Pius XII who hired Annibale Bugnini (whose "name shall live in infamy among those who love the Church’s traditional worship," according to Fr. Z (http://wdtprs.com/blog/2010/10/the-bolletino-slips-on-a-banana/)) and stuck him into the new commission for reform of the liturgy? -- That Pius XII?
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Pope Pius XII gave his approbation for Annibale Bugnini as Secretary in the Pope's new Commission for Liturgical Reform (http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/vatican_liturgy.htm), and see how that turned out! If he gave similar approbation for the works of Valtorta, why is it taking so long then, for the damage to turn out like it did with the Newmass? Or ------ is it?
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The errors of Vat.II are like a slow-drip of poison for the faith of Catholics.
Ditto the corrupted bilge scuм of Valtorta.
Bugnini got right to work tearing apart the Mass, and Valtorta settled in for the long haul, corrupting souls like andysloan for example. See how well it worked?
For andy won't pay any attention to constructive criticism. Like any good minion of the devil, what he doesn't want to hear, he just doesn't hear. Those who refuse to see and will not hear, let them be anathema.
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The coming of the antichrist is just around the corner.
Saint Columbcille was a famous Irish saint and seer who lived between 521 and 597 AD. Most of his prophecies involve Ireland, and he successfully predicted many events in Irish history such as the great potato famine and the advent of railroads.
"Hearken, thou, until I relate things that shall come to pass in the latter ages of the world. Great carnage shall be made, justice shall be outraged, multitudinous evils, great suffering shall prevail, and many unjust laws will be administered. The time shall come when they will not perform charitable acts, and truth shall not remain in them, and truth shall not remain in them. They will plunder the property of the church, they will be continually sneering at each other, they will employ them at reading and writing. They will scoff at acts of humility; there will come times of dark affliction, of scarcity, monarchs will be addicted to falsehood. Neither justice nor covenant will be observed by any one people of the race of Adam; they will become hard-hearted and penurious, and will be devoid of piety. The clergy will become fosterers, in consequence of the tidings of wretchedness; churches will be held in bondage by the all-powerful men of the day.
"Judges will administer injustice, under the sanction of powerful, outrageous kings; the common people will adopt false principles. Oh, how lamentable shall be their position! Doctors of science will have cause to murmur, they will become ungenerous in spirit; the aged will mourn in deep sorrow, on account of the woeful times that shall prevail. Cemeteries shall become all red, in consequence of the wrath that will follow sinners; wars and contentions shall range in the bosoms of every family. Excellent men shall be steeped in Poverty, the people will become inhospitable to their guests, the voice of the parasite shall be more agreeable to them than the melody of the harp touched by the sage's finger. In consequence of the general prevalence of sinful practices, humility shall produce no fruit. The professors of science shall not be rewarded, amiability shall not characterize the people; prosperity and hospitality shall not exist, but destitution will assume their place. The changes of the seasons shall produce only half their verdure, the regular festivals of the Church will not be observed; all classes of men shall be filled with hatred and enmity toward each other. The people will not associate affectionately with each other during the great festivals of the seasons; they will live devoid of justice and rectitude, up from the youth of tender age to the aged. The clergy shall be led into error by the misinterpretation of their reading; the Relics of the Saints will be considered powerless, every race of mankind will become wicked!
"Young women will become unblushing, the aged people will be of irascible temper; the kine will seldom be productive, as of old; lords will become murderers. Young people will decline in vigor, they will despise those who have hoary (gray) hair; there will be no standard by which morals may be regulated, and marriages will be solemnized without witnesses. Troublous shall be the latter ages of the world, the dispositions of the generality of men I will point out, from the time they shall abandon hospitable habits -- with the view of winning honor for themselves, they will hold each other as objects for ridicule. The possessors of abundance shall fall through the multiplicity of their falsehoods; covetousness shall take possession of every glutton, and when satisfied their arrogance shall know no bounds. Between mother and daughter anger and bitter sarcasms shall continuously exist; neighbors will become treacherous, cold, and false-hearted towards each another.
The gentry will become grudgeful, with respect to their trifling donations; and blood relations shall become cool towards each other; Church livings shall become lay property. Such is the description of the people who shall live in the ages to come; more unjust and iniquitous shall be very succeeding race of men.
The trees shall not bear the usual quantity of fruit, fisheries shall become unproductive and the earth shall not yield its usual abundance. Inclement Weather and famine shall come and fishes shall forsake the rivers. The people will be oppressed for lack of food, shall pine to death. Dreadful Storms and Hurricanes shall afflict them. Numberless Diseases shall then prevail. Fortifications shall be built narrow during these times of dreadful danger."
Quote from: Ambrose
You do not behave like a Catholic. You take cheap shots at Pope Pius XII, a Pope beloved by Catholics and who lived a life of unquestionable orthodoxy, and died with a pristine reputation.
His name does not live in infamy among good Catholics, only rotten Catholics who show their rot and foul mouths in speech and writing strait from Hell when they speak with despicable language against our beloved deceased Holy Father.
I expect such filth from Protestants, not Catholics.
Why should I be surprised that the likes of Ambrose would chime in to attempt to defend the indefensible.
Pope Pius XII was a mixed bag. He was not so sqeaky clean as you and other mind-numbed sedes would like to think. He did some great things and he did some terrible things. If it were not for his appointing of Annibale Bugnini to the Commission for Liturgical Reform (an entity he established) we would not have had Vat.II or the Newmass. But you're ignorant of those facts and you don't want to learn, do you?
I didn't think so.
Most popes are not absolute saints. That doesn't mean they are not popes.
Pius XII trucked in the most groundbreaking break with Tradition in all of Church history, but you wouldn't know what that is, to be sure. You're ignorant and proud of it, Ambrose. Own it.
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