Author Topic: About Tcat (Read 3009 times)

Matto · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2013, 12:51:53 PM »

I like your posts, TCat. I don't think you're a troll.

stgobnait · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2013, 12:56:16 PM »

I do...

Sigismund · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2013, 10:34:21 PM »

Quote from: TCat

Quote from: OHCA
Do you think if you keep ignoring my questions about this that I'm going to forget about it?

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=26719&min=5&num=5

Quote from: TCat
Quote from: OHCA
Quote from: TCat
. . .

But if the prayers are only concerning saying mass, cant we still go to a novus ordo priest to get confessions?
. . .

If they can't say Mass and concecrate bread and wine, then they aren't priests. Not for saying Mass, nor any other purpose that requires one to be a priest.

What about if they have been ordained, maybe not up to the level of priest, but to the level of deacon? Deacons hear confessions...
Or are the rites for deacons invalid aswell? :stare:

Im not doging your question, I forgot about it, besides its buried in the forum somewhere on a thread deep in posts.

So you ask do I think a decon can hear confessions?
The answer is, from my understanding, that a deacon can do everything a priest can do except say mass. This is the way it is in the novus ordo church and it is common knowledge.

Btw, what abuot your clambering to get me banned?
Are you sorry for the insults you posted against me and your lies?
I am hear to learn but am not perfect, but then again, you are only a man and you hold me up to your standards which mean nothing because you are not a VOP validly ordained priest / bishop,
so your council plus the fact that you not a priest mean little to me, you just a layman like myself and got to learn like everybody else.
just becos you learned before me doesn't make you have right to call for me to be banned IMO.

Novus Odo deacons cannot hear confessions.

OHCA · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2013, 10:47:10 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Novus Odo deacons cannot hear confessions.

I don't think so either. I never heard of it. So they do this in Ireland, TCat? Anybody else familiar with NO ever hear of a deacon hearing confessions?

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2013, 11:57:19 PM »

I haven't met a Novus Ordo priest who hears Confessions. (They do walk-and-talks in jogging pants, as if they're magic fairies who don't need the Church vestments to hear and absolve sins.)

No: the Confessor has to be a priest, and he has to wear the purple stole. That's why priests carry one around, for emergencies. They can't hear you without the purple stole, any more than they can anoint you with pickle juice.

Vladimir · « **Reply #20 on:** September 01, 2013, 12:24:22 AM »

Quote from: StCeciliasGirl

I haven't met a Novus Ordo priest who hears Confessions. (They do walk-and-talks in jogging pants, as if they're magic fairies who don't need the Church vestments to hear and absolve sins.)

No: the Confessor has to be a priest, and he has to wear the purple stole. That's why priests carry one around, for emergencies. They can't hear you without the purple stole, any more than they can anoint you with pickle juice.

You're full of it.

poche · « **Reply #21 on:** September 01, 2013, 04:18:14 AM »

Quote from: TCat

Quote from: OHCA
Do you think if you keep ignoring my questions about this that I'm going to forget about it?

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=26719&min=5&num=5

Quote from: TCat
Quote from: OHCA
Quote from: TCat
. . .

But if the prayers are only concerning saying mass, cant we still go to a novus ordo priest to get confessions?
. . .

If they can't say Mass and concecrate bread and wine, then they aren't priests. Not for saying Mass, nor any other purpose that requires one to be a priest.

What about if they have been ordained, maybe not up to the level of priest, but to the level of deacon? Deacons hear confessions...
Or are the rites for deacons invalid aswell? :stare:

Im not doging your question, I forgot about it, besides its buried in the forum somewhere on a thread deep in posts.

So you ask do I think a decon can hear confessions?
The answer is, from my understanding, that a deacon can do everything a priest can do except say mass. This is the way it is in the novus ordo church and it is common knowledge.

Btw, what abuot your clambering to get me banned?
Are you sorry for the insults you posted against me and your lies?
I am hear to learn but am not perfect, but then again, you are only a man and you hold me up to your standards which mean nothing because you are not a VOP validly ordained priest / bishop,
so your council plus the fact that you not a priest mean little to me, you just a layman like myself and got to learn like everybody else.
just becos you learned before me doesn't make you have right to call for me to be banned IMO.

This is not true. A deacon cannot hear confessions.

poche · « **Reply #22 on:** September 01, 2013, 04:19:18 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: TCat
Quote from: OHCA
Do you think if you keep ignoring my questions about this that I'm going to forget about it?

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=26719&min=5&num=5

Quote from: TCat
Quote from: OHCA
Quote from: TCat
. . .

But if the prayers are only concerning saying mass, cant we still go to a novus ordo priest to get confessions?
. . .

If they can't say Mass and concecrate bread and wine, then they aren't priests. Not for saying Mass, nor any other purpose that requires one to be a priest.

What about if they have been ordained, maybe not up to the level of priest, but to the level of deacon? Deacons hear confessions...
Or are the rites for deacons invalid aswell? :stare:

Im not doging your question, I forgot about it, besides its buried in the forum somewhere on a thread deep in posts.

So you ask do I think a decon can hear confessions?
The answer is, from my understanding, that a deacon can do everything a priest can do except say mass. This is the way it is in the novus ordo church and it is common knowledge.

Btw, what abuot your clambering to get me banned?
Are you sorry for the insults you posted against me and your lies?
I am hear to learn but am not perfect, but then again, you are only a man and you hold me up to your standards which mean nothing because you are not a VOP validly ordained priest / bishop,
so your council plus the fact that you not a priest mean little to me, you just a layman like myself and got to learn like everybody else.
just becos you learned before me doesn't make you have right to call for me to be banned IMO.

Novus Odo deacons cannot hear confessions.

No deacons can hear confessions.

poche · « **Reply #23 on:** September 01, 2013, 05:22:03 AM »

There is a story in the Fathers of the Desert;
One dday there was a certain monk who could not abide living in the cenobium with the other monks. So he set out to live in a hermitage by himself. The next day he went out to the well to draw water for himself. The jug fell down down. He set it aright and it fell down again. He set it aright again and it fell over. Finally in frustration he dashed it amongst the rocks and it broke into many pieces. From this he learned that what he was trying to escacpe would follow him wherever he would go. He learned that whether he was alone or with others he would have to learn to master his anger.

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #24 on:** September 01, 2013, 05:43:34 AM »

Quote from: Vladimir

Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
I haven't met a Novus Ordo priest who hears Confessions. (They do walk-and-talks in jogging pants, as if they're magic fairies who don't need the Church vestments to hear and absolve sins.)

No: the Confessor has to be a priest, and he has to wear the purple stole. That's why priests carry one around, for emergencies. They can't hear you without the purple stole, any more than they can anoint you with pickle juice.

You're full of it.

Oh come on: tongue in cheek w/ the frustration finding a priest while traveling, but really, our local NO guy is a raging atheist and pro-abortionist. The one before him got married (that's how he "quit"), divorced, and is in Philly now —and he's a far sight better than the atheist priest.

If you're referring my being "full of it" to the stole, I really did believe they have to have the purple stole on; if I'm wrong, correct me. A link would suffice.

Also, I googled it this morning, just to be sure, and people have asked if deacons can hear confessions because apparently, deacons HAVE heard confessions in some American parishes! And CAF said that was a no-no. So it must be something new that's creeping in, for real. (Google it.)

Quote from: poche

There is a story in the Fathers of the Desert;
One day there was a certain monk who could not abide living in the cenobium with the other monks. So he set out to live in a hermitage by himself. The next day he went out to the well to draw water for himself. The jug fell down down. He set it aright and it fell down again. He set it aright again and it fell over. Finally in frustration he dashed it amongst the rocks and it broke into many pieces. From this he learned that what he was trying to escape would follow him wherever he would go. He learned that whether he was alone or with others he would have to learn to master his anger.

Explain that to me. It sounds like a "grasshopper" Buddhist saying and I never get those. Like, ever. Tell it like I'm stupid. How could the jug fall down? How did he get water?

poche · « **Reply #25 on:** September 01, 2013, 05:56:40 AM »

Quote from: StCeciliasGirl

Quote from: Vladimir
Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
I haven't met a Novus Ordo priest who hears Confessions. (They do walk-and-talks in jogging pants, as if they're magic fairies who don't need the Church vestments to hear and absolve sins.)

No: the Confessor has to be a priest, and he has to wear the purple stole. That's why priests carry one around, for emergencies. They can't hear you without the purple stole, any more than they can anoint you with pickle juice.

You're full of it.

Oh come on: tongue in cheek w/ the frustration finding a priest while traveling, but really, our local NO guy is a raging atheist and pro-abortionist. The one before him got married (that's how he "quit"), divorced, and is in Philly now —and he's a far sight better than the atheist priest.

If you're referring my being "full of it" to the stole, I really did believe they have to have the purple stole on; if I'm wrong, correct me. A link would suffice.

Also, I googled it this morning, just to be sure, and people have asked if deacons can hear confessions because apparently, deacons HAVE heard confessions in some American parishes! And CAF said that was a no-no. So it must be something new that's creeping in, for real. (Google it.)

Quote from: poche

There is a story in the Fathers of the Desert;
One day there was a certain monk who could not abide living in the cenobium with the other monks. So he set out to live in a hermitage by himself. The next day he went out to the well to draw water for himself. The jug fell down down. He set it aright and it fell down again. He set it aright again and it fell over. Finally in frustration he dashed it amongst the rocks and it broke into many pieces. From this he learned that what he was trying to escape would follow him wherever he would go. He learned that whether he was alone or with others he would have to learn to master his anger.

Explain that to me. It sounds like a "grasshopper" Buddhist saying and I never get those. Like, ever. Tell it like I'm stupid. How could the jug fall down? How did he get water?

He didn't get any water. He learned that he would have to work on his predominant vice (anger) whether he was in a community or alone in a hermitage. Anything in common with the Buddhists would be that truth that would hopefully bring them into the Catholic Church.