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Man slaps woman's crying child -- arrested without bond
« on: September 02, 2009, 12:50:17 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 12:52:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: ChantCd

    The girl, identified in the report as Paige Mathews, 2, was not injured, but did suffer some redness in the face. She was treated at the scene and released, the report said.


    I'd love to know how they "treated" the child at the scene. There's nothing to treat! Whenever any part of you is slapped, it turns pink for a while, and goes away on its own. Give me a break.

    A felony? For something that didn't even hurt the child? That's like considering "spanking" a felony.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 01:18:25 PM »
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  • Sounds like he had a right to be annoyed, but no right to discipline another persons child-should have lft ChinaMart if he was getting annoyed.......
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    « Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 01:26:45 PM »
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  • He has no authority over another person's child.  

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    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 01:35:12 PM »
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  • True......he shuold have lft the store before it got the breaking pint..though I can understand his frustration......still..
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    « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 01:57:12 PM »
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  • Agreed, If someone were to touch my child without my agreement and I had a gun with me, he would soon be dead.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 02:07:59 PM »
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  • You miss the point -- yes, he had no authority over that child, etc. but the man essentially spanked the child, when he was obviously quite upset and not thinking clearly, and now he will spend HOW many years behind bars on a felony charge of "child cruelty"?

    He might have been out of line spanking someone else's child, but it wasn't THAT grievous of an offense.

    He might be guilty of a misdemeanor, but not a felony.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 02:42:47 PM »
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  • Depends on the laws of that particular state-between felony and misdmeanor......whether wording of law is good or bad is really another discussion entirely.......

    we could all sympathize with this guy, but he should have walked away....esp if reports are true, he slapped child repeatedly.....a bit different than one time.......
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    « Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 02:50:53 PM »
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  • Smacking a two-year old girl in the face is not that grievous an offense?

    I would infer from this statement that you are a strict disciplinarian who believes children should be kept in their place.  But I doubt you would slap your young children on the face, let alone someone else's.  That is... Totally psycho.  I am trying to imagine myself casually strolling across a Wal-Mart in order to wallop a toddler and somehow it's not registering.  She is TWO years old.  

    I think in this situation an angry glare at the parent of the child would have sufficed -- perhaps a "Shut that brat up."  That wouldn't have been rude if the parent was allowing the child to bleat and yell without taking any action.  

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    « Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 02:57:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Smacking a two-year old girl in the face is not that grievous an offense?

    I would infer from this statement that you are a strict disciplinarian who believes children should be kept in their place.  But I doubt you would slap your young children on the face, let alone someone else's.  That is... Totally psycho.  I am trying to imagine myself casually strolling across a Wal-Mart in order to wallop a toddler and somehow it's not registering.  She is TWO years old.  


    I'm not saying I would ever be inclined to do such a thing -- I'm just saying that the man didn't rob a bank or commit a rape. I think "felony" should be reserved for serious crimes, which hurt other human beings/society in a serious way.

    A spanking that leaves no marks should not be considered a "felony", especially since it's humanly understandable for a bachelor to get upset at the sound of incessant crying. It's not the kind of thing you rot away in prison for years over.

    If two adults get into a fist-fight is that a felony as well? If so, we have a messed up justice system.

    He "only" slapped her, he didn't throw her on the ground, cause permanent injuries, or shoot her. I'm trying to be objective here, however horrible the incident must have been for the mother and child.

    Is everything that causes one to gasp to be considered a felony? Why not call anyone who's ever lost their temper (or committed a mortal sin) a felon? I guess most of us are felons, now.

    To me, calling this action a felony dilutes the meaning of "felony", and is an insult to all the victims of real felons (rape, kidnapping, battery victims, etc.)

    I just think there's a bit of a mismatch here, justice-wise.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 03:37:28 PM »
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  • Not that I'm a great defender of the American justice system, but it does clearly state the charge:  Cruelty to children in the first degree.  

    I'd say someone who is so unhinged that they would repeatedly smack a two-year old girl and then boast about it needs to cool their heels in the pokey for a while.  I'd also say this guy has one or two devils.  Or more.  Granted, the girl and her mother probably have them too, as do 99.9% of the world population at the moment, but you catch my drift.

    A thought just occurred to me due to your spanking comment.  If I may pick your brain, Kreskin-style, you seem concerned this case could set a dangerous precedent after which parents are charged with felonies for disciplining their children.  Yeah, that would be par for the communist course.  

    But just looking at this individual case, I have no problem with the felony charge.  If you were pulled out of your home for spanking or even slapping your toddler, both being within your rights -- even if the latter strikes me personally as unadvisable -- it would be different.  
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    « Reply #11 on: September 02, 2009, 03:39:51 PM »
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  • I get what Chant is trying to say, not saying I believe I would do this to my own child at that age or another's, below is just something to think about.

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    How Times Have Changed

    Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
    1970 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
    2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
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    Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
    1970 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.
    2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
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    Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
    1970 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
    2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin; Becomes a zombie; Tested for ADD; School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
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    Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
    1970 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
    2007 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.
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    Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
    1970 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
    2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
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    Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
    1970 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, and goes to college.
    2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway, but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
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    Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, and blows up a red ant bed.
    1970 - Ants die.
    2007 - ATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list; not allowed to fly again.
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    Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
    1970 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
    2007 - Mary is accused of being a sɛҳuąƖ predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of psycho-therapy.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

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    « Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 04:29:50 PM »
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  • Here's something to consider --

    What about those who ON PURPOSE (not through a flash of passion, which mitigates the guilt of an action) pick up their cell phone and text someone, causing them to get in an accident which DOES cause PERMANENT injuries (even death) to one or more occupants of the other vehicle?

    Or, someone who chooses to drive 10 MPH over the speed limit, thereby increasing the risk of a life-changing accident.

    Wouldn't that be a worse crime?

    When you get behind the wheel of a vehicle, you control such a powerful force -- so the conscious decision to be less than careful must be a serious sin -- because if you DID kill someone, the guilt would stem from your decision to be a bit reckless.

    When you decide to punish/spank/fight someone with only your hands, it's a bit easier to keep it from being "life-changing" or fatal.

    Just a bit of philosophizing.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 04:32:59 PM »
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  • I feel sorry for the man, who is old and likely suffering from mental illness.  His punishment is not fitting his crime.  But, they are going to make 'an example' out of him, aren't they?!  Cases such as this make it difficult for me to turn someone into the police.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 04:37:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76

    A thought just occurred to me due to your spanking comment.  If I may pick your brain, Kreskin-style, you seem concerned this case could set a dangerous precedent after which parents are charged with felonies for disciplining their children.  Yeah, that would be par for the communist course.  


    Yes, the thought certainly crossed my mind. When I read stories about a "big bad guy" I try to look at it from his/her point of view, and see if it's truly messed up behavior, or if it "could be anyone".

    Speaking of making it personal, I'm surprised you'd be on this guy's case, since A) you're a bachelor and don't have kids, and B) you're clearly a choleric (one of the Four Temperaments) yourself.

    I know that, generally speaking, a person is most offended by behavior that goes only slightly beyond one's own behavior. The shoplifter takes pleasure in denouncing the embezzler (because he took comfort that he only stole small things).

    The guy who likes to smoke pot loves to rip on those who get into hard drugs like cocaine and crack. And the man possessed by desire for material things loves to quote how certain friends have an excessive amount of material things -- making him seem like Padre Pio by comparison.

    All this is human nature.

    I've seen it a million times. It just seems like it might be relevant when analyzing your point of view on this matter.

    Sorry for making it "personal", but you started it.  :wink:

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