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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
« Reply #120 on: March 19, 2018, 04:12:38 PM »
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  • Some men like older women.
    He is referring to this:


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    Like I said before, nothing is 100%, there are women who are so corrupted, that they can become like the men of the world that I described. It is analogous to a man becoming a sodomite. Sodomites are mentally disturbed, possessed. Women who act as men will always be older and unattractive, as no one wants them anymore, but the self esteem factor is still there too. Since men will go after anything with a pulse, those women will always find someone.


    He is not talking about just any older woman.
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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #121 on: March 19, 2018, 05:34:25 PM »
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  • Her actions are mild for any woman of the world. It still can be explained as Cantarella has described. Her explanation can't be outright dismissed in the case you give.

    You and I are then down to that:

    Great Tradhican - Only corrupted older and unattractive ladies act like men

    Croix De Fer - normal young (like a 19 years old) good looking girls pursue men for the same reason men pursue women. (What is the % vs girls who flirt to gain self esteem?)  

    ? ? ? ? ?

    I'm not sure I follow you.

    Also, I never mentioned her actions because there is really no way to put it on a Catholic forum. It wasn't mild. Earlier in this thread or a recent similar one, I was lambasted by several people for innocuously explaining some experiences and the biology of women, and the comment was even removed, so I can only imagine the reaction from people, if I tried to explain this particular incident.

    It really doesn't matter chicks' motivation. Their actions are still sinful. They are just as lascivious, fornicating and adulterous as men, regardless of their motivation, but they're more sneaky about it, and they have the courts protecting them a lot more than men.
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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #122 on: March 19, 2018, 05:51:02 PM »
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  • The motivations are everything, it is exactly what this thread is about. If we know the motivation then we can provide the cure for the young ladies.

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    I'll be blunt, when a man of the world sees a young good looking well figured girl dressed provocatively, they immediately mentally strip her of her clothes  and fantisize or begin to plan on how to have relations with them. That is a mortal sin.

    "Whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

    I do not think women have the same problem. I think that women might be attracted by a "a young good looking well figured man dressed provocatively", but they are not tempted to sin as a man is.



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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #123 on: March 19, 2018, 05:54:21 PM »
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  • ? ? ? ? ?

    I'm not sure I follow you.
    Then forget it. See your private emails.
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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #124 on: March 19, 2018, 06:01:06 PM »
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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #125 on: March 19, 2018, 06:25:25 PM »
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #126 on: June 03, 2018, 07:32:01 PM »
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  • Hi. New member here. Are people still interested in actually discussing this topic, or has it devolved entirely? I'm actually rather interested in talking about it, non-explicitly of course.

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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #127 on: June 04, 2018, 04:10:03 AM »
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  • Hi. New member here. Are people still interested in actually discussing this topic, or has it devolved entirely? I'm actually rather interested in talking about it, non-explicitly of course.
    I'm interested in hearing it anyway. 


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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #128 on: June 08, 2018, 06:23:38 AM »
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  • A lady here on CI, who I respect, said that"male immodesty tempts  feminine women".

    In the context of the subject we were discussing: female immodesty in dress, I would answer that women are not tempted to sin in the same way as men are. I would say that male immodesty may attract some women, but I would not say it tempts them to sin.

    I'll be blunt, when a man of the world sees a young good looking well figured girl dressed provocatively, they immediately mentally strip her of her clothes  and fantisize or begin to plan on how to have relations with them. That is a mortal sin.

    "Whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

    For a Catholic man, when they sees such a girl, a temptation, they must turn away and try to get the image out of their minds in order not to sin.

    I do not think women have the same problem. I think that women might be attracted by a "a young good looking well figured man dressed provocatively", but they are not tempted to sin as a man is.

    God made women attractive to men. I presume God made men attractive to women. He did so in order that they would marry and produce children, and one knows what is necessary to produce children. I was fortunate enough as a young man to live through times when a kiss was enough to show one's love before marriage. Today things are different, as I am led to believe bed has replaced that kiss.

    I note the word 'lust' above in Matthew 5:2 and really could do with an explanation of such lust. Surely it cannot be that attraction, or admiration of femininity given to men by God? Is it a 'stalker' kind of lust? Is lust an instantaneous mental motion of adultry, or an ongoing one?

    God forgive me, but I have joked with other men how to avoid such mortal sins. I tell them to frame their thoughts with the preface, 'I wonder what it would be like to be married to that woman.'

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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #129 on: June 08, 2018, 08:38:05 AM »
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  • God made women attractive to men. I presume God made men attractive to women. He did so in order that they would marry and produce children, and one knows what is necessary to produce children. I was fortunate enough as a young man to live through times when a kiss was enough to show one's love before marriage. Today things are different, as I am led to believe bed has replaced that kiss.

    I note the word 'lust' above in Matthew 5:2 and really could do with an explanation of such lust. Surely it cannot be that attraction, or admiration of femininity given to men by God? Is it a 'stalker' kind of lust? Is lust an instantaneous mental motion of adultry, or an ongoing one?
    An admiration of femininity is just thinking a woman is beautiful. Nothing wrong with that. But staring at her breasts, mentally undressing her, imagining sɛҳuąƖ relations, etc. is lust. 

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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #130 on: June 08, 2018, 08:51:02 AM »
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  • An admiration of femininity is just thinking a woman is beautiful. Nothing wrong with that. But staring at her breasts, mentally undressing her, imagining sɛҳuąƖ relations, etc. is lust.

    There are many degrees in between that too, from just a purely aesthetic appreciation of her beauty, to a nearly-subconscious sense of attraction, to a stronger / explicit sense of attraction, to outright lust.  And each step of the way there can be degrees of consent from the will (in which the sin consists).  But the slippery slope into impurity starts with giving in at the first stages.  At those first stages, we're generally not speaking about mortal sin (or even sin at all).  But you might start letting yourself feel some of these things, and then it escalates into the next phase.  So the subsequent temptation is a direct result of giving it some freedom in those earlier stages.  All this assumes that someone in general intends to avoid grave sins against purity.  Otherwise, they give in completely at every stage.  That's why venial sins very often slide right into mortal sins.  By committing venial sin in the early stages, you're setting yourself up for greater temptations with each subsequent stage ... and are creating the habit of consenting to sin in general.  Pilot gave in to non-mortally injuring Our Lord (venial sin), with the intention that it would avoid having to kill Him (mortal sin).  He hoped that by doing the venial he could avoid the mortal.  But it doesn't work out that way.

    So, for instance, you said that there was nothing wrong with considering a woman beautiful.  Even those thoughts, if they arise on their own, we need to turn away from quickly.  Acknowledge it and move on.  It's very easy to fall into the trap of:  hey, there's nothing wrong with admiring her beauty.  Next thing you know, though, a sense of attraction is there.  Then you might say, well, this isn't sin, as it's just natural.  Next thing you know, you're sliding into at least venial sin.