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Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
« on: March 14, 2018, 11:42:51 AM »
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  • A lady here on CI, who I respect, said that"male immodesty tempts  feminine women".

    In the context of the subject we were discussing: female immodesty in dress, I would answer that women are not tempted to sin in the same way as men are. I would say that male immodesty may attract some women, but I would not say it tempts them to sin.

    I'll be blunt, when a man of the world sees a young good looking well figured girl dressed provocatively, they immediately mentally strip her of her clothes  and fantisize or begin to plan on how to have relations with them. That is a mortal sin. 

    "Whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

    For a Catholic man, when they sees such a girl, a temptation, they must turn away and try to get the image out of their minds in order not to sin.

    I do not think women have the same problem. I think that women might be attracted by a "a young good looking well figured man dressed provocatively", but they are not tempted to sin as a man is.
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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #1 on: March 14, 2018, 11:53:11 AM »
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  • Women are not tempted to sin to the same degree as a man, but they are indeed tempted to sin.  That is, if course, as long as the woman is not frigid.


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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2018, 11:57:26 AM »
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  • I think that contrary to post -sexual revolution propaganda (and wishful thinking of immature men) the temptation you describe above (of undressing the men in our minds and fantasize) is quite foreign to the female nature, really.

    I think the idea of women beign the same as men as of their sexual appetites, has been heavily fueled by the pornographic industry.
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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #3 on: March 14, 2018, 01:22:02 PM »
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  • Women are not tempted to sin to the same degree as a man, but they are indeed tempted to sin.  That is, if course, as long as the woman is not frigid.
    And I would go further, still, and say that some women are tempted much more than others, just as some men are tempted much more than others.  Again, not to the same degree as men.

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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #4 on: March 14, 2018, 01:39:30 PM »
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  • Women are not tempted to sin to the same degree as a man, but they are indeed tempted to sin.  That is, if course, as long as the woman is not frigid.
    Basically, the provocatively dressed female is telling the man, I am easy.  I described in detail how a man is tempted to sin by the provocative fashions of women. 

    I ask, how exactly is a Catholic woman tempted to commit mortal sin, what exactly takes place?
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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #5 on: March 14, 2018, 01:52:49 PM »
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  • Basically, the provocatively dressed female is telling the man, I am easy.  I described in detail how a man is tempted to sin by the provocative fashions of women.

    I ask, how exactly is a Catholic woman tempted to commit mortal sin, what exactly takes place?
    I am sorry, LT, but I just can't be as blunt as you... 
    I will say that, generally to a lesser degree, women fantasize in the exact same way with exactly the same detail as a man.  Again, some women more than others, if she is not frigid.

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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #6 on: March 14, 2018, 02:12:18 PM »
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  • I think that contrary to post -sexual revolution propaganda (and wishful thinking of immature men) the temptation you describe above (of undressing the men in our minds and fantasize) is quite foreign to the female nature, really.

    I think the idea of women beign the same as men as of their sexual appetites, has been heavily fueled by the pornographic industry.

    More and more you hear of WOMEN being addicted to pornography, so I think that it's beginning to affect them as well.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 14, 2018, 02:15:16 PM »
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  • And I would go further, still, and say that some women are tempted much more than others, just as some men are tempted much more than others.  Again, not to the same degree as men.

    Overall, men should be held to the same (or very similar but as applied to men) standards of modesty as women.  Not only COULD they cause temptations to many, but they should exhibit modesty out of example to everyone else, including women.  If a man runs around shirtless but then rails at women who show a little cleavage, how is that going to strike a woman except as being hypocritical?  Female immodesty is discussed almost ad nauseam but male immodesty not even raised as an issue.  Sounds like a double standard.


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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #8 on: March 14, 2018, 02:18:50 PM »
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  • I am sorry, LT, but I just can't be as blunt as you...
    I will say that, generally to a lesser degree, women fantasize in the exact same way with exactly the same detail as a man.  Again, some women more than others, if she is not frigid.

    Presumably the mechanism would be exactly the same.  Various impure/erotic thoughts enter the mind, and the woman could consent to them.  While perhaps some women might be less inclined to having these thoughts, and they don't necessarily arise in them when confronted with some male immodesty to the same degree as might happen to a man, the sequence that leads to sin would presumably be the same.

    Also, because they are not tempted as much, perhaps, by overt sexual thoughts, women are more inclined to "flirt" with thoughts and feelings that border on the impure, even if they don't strictly cross the line into sin.

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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #9 on: March 14, 2018, 03:04:13 PM »
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  • I think the idea of women being the same as men as of their sexual appetites, has been heavily fueled by the pornographic industry.
    and by militant feminists.
    (You mean, by the pornography industry.)  

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    « Reply #10 on: March 14, 2018, 03:07:38 PM »
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  • Also, because they are not tempted as much, perhaps, by overt sexual thoughts, women are more inclined to "flirt" with thoughts and feelings that border on the impure, even if they don't strictly cross the line into sin.
    True, yes.  However, even that can be a significant challenge for some of us women -- i.e., to be careless about entertaining such interior flirtations. If unchecked, those can lead to sins of thought.


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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #11 on: March 14, 2018, 03:44:38 PM »
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  • More and more you hear of WOMEN being addicted to pornography, so I think that it's beginning to affect them as well.
    I think that is more because of decades of feminist indocrination of women wanting to be just like the men (combined with a foolish attempt to please the men themselves which is a contradiction), rather than a natural or biological inclination of women.
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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #12 on: March 14, 2018, 03:50:56 PM »
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  • More and more you hear of WOMEN being addicted to pornography, so I think that it's beginning to affect them as well.
    I do not believe it. The pornographic magazines are being bought up by the homos. 
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    « Reply #13 on: March 14, 2018, 03:55:16 PM »
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  • Basically, the provocatively dressed female is telling the man, I am easy.  I described in detail how a man is tempted to sin by the provocative fashions of women.

    I ask, how exactly is a Catholic woman tempted to commit mortal sin, what exactly takes place?

    I think the temptation for women in this regard is more a vanity issue than physical unchastity. Sure, we can see a good looking man and think to ourselves: "wow, what a handsome man". But from that point of simple awareness, to actually "undressing the man in our minds and imagining"... I just don't think it naturally happens. Or maybe it is just me.

    What I do remember happening back in my early youth is me instantaneously trying to appear more pretty or even flirtatous, this is, actively seeking attention, when the mentioned good looking young man appeared in the room. It is really an ego issue. If left unchecked, this could lead to sins of vanity or even immodesty.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Male Immodesty Tempts Feminine Women?
    « Reply #14 on: March 14, 2018, 04:01:21 PM »
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  • I think this topic is one the OP should be discussing with his own wife
    This is not even a topic that needs discussion with one's own spouse.
    There are too many topics of late of a titilating nature here on CI.
    We all know what tempts each of us and we should be trying to correct ourselves
    not giving ammo to voyeurs.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


     

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