Author Topic: Make sure you vote (Read 2194 times)

Matthew · « **on:** April 17, 2014, 10:30:03 AM »

I got this e-mail forward -- although I don't believe there's a big difference between Democrats and Republicans, there IS still some difference. If there were truly no difference, Texas would be the same as Illinois.

I was at a "coffee" where there were several college students from around Texas that were telling us of the massive efforts being put forth on campus. Give aways, parties, it seems like there is no end to what they are receiving for their "vote". Yes, there is a massive effort going on in Texas and people do need to wake up.

We had better get organized and get to work like these folks are! If you are not in Texas your state could be the next target!!

The Democrats think, what most Texans would consider the unbelievable, that they can elect the radical liberal Wendy Davis as Governor of Texas in 2014!!!

Why do they think that? Here's why!

1.Governor Perry won his election by 650,000 votes; only 38% of the

population voted; only 25% of Blacks and Hispanics voted.

2. Republicans in Texans are too complacent and to often do not turn out in large numbers because they think they can't lose.

3. Jeremy Bird successfully turned both Virginia and Colorado from Republican Red … to Democrat Blue … in just three years!!!

Check out his resume here:www.270strategies.com/who-we-are/jeremy-bird1

(Rolling Stone magazine recognized him on its 2012 “Hot List,” calling him “the Obama campaign’s secret weapon” with “a massive army of staff and grassroots volunteers for which Romney has no answer.”)

4. Mr. Bird is now targeting Texas as his next conquest and has $10 million as an initial war chest to accomplish this task.

5. He started his Texas campaign in January 2013. He paid community organizers in all major cities in Texas with an objective to register 650,000 new voters by Nov. 2014. (Will they all be U.S. citizens with a right to vote?)

6. Since January 2013 those organizers have been hiring and training people to put in place thousands of Deputy Registrars. These Deputies WILL register at least 650,000 (probably more) new voters in Texas.

7. How? They do it by hard work... visiting all minority churches, food banks, welfare offices, and local minority events, to register new voters.

8. In addition to registering them, they will get their addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses. They then establish block captains who ensure those on their streets will get out and vote.

9. They believe this will not only increase the number of registered minorities, but will also increase substantially the number of minorities who will actually vote.

THEY DID IT IN COLORADO AND VIRGINIA and they are confident by Nov. 2014 election they will be able to increase the Democratic vote by over 1 million. AND, based on the historical low Republican voting turnout, they believe they will get a liberal Democrat elected as Texas Governor!!!

In addition it will increase significantly the number of liberal Democrats elected at every level. This can eliminate the majority the Republicans now hold in both the House and Senate and change the way local communities operate and now thrive.

Does that threat get your attention? I hope so! They are quietly turning up the heat and slowly “cooking the Texas frog” while we are not paying attention! Texas is truly in serious jeopardy… and the Texas example is important to all of America!

PLEASE, PLEASE, pass this on to every TEXAN you know and encourage EVERYONE to vote Nov. 2nd!

WAKE UP TEXANS! GET INVOLVED LOCALLY!

HELP GET OUT THE VOTE! Or we all will suffer!

Phyllo · « **Reply #1 on:** April 17, 2014, 10:46:25 AM »

It is not just Texas with the problem. It is the entire 50 states. The population is complacent. We ALL need to get our act together before we lose all of our freedoms.

Wake up America

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2014, 11:40:09 AM »

With sincere respect - because I understand your vantage point - I vehemently disagree.

Before I found tradition and the true Faith, I was very active in politics; specifically libertarian policies and campaigns, holding the constitution and bill of rights almost as dear as Scripture. You know the type, infected with americanist heresy. That was me, mea maxima culpa.

After practicing the Faith, so many lies came to light, primarily the rigged political system that favors everything unholy; a system irretrievably broken and our cooperation ensures it's evil continuance. There's no fixing this.

I tend toward the big picture - at it's founding is masonry, with it's oath to destroy His Church and with a capital dedicated to satan in diagram and symbols, so of course He will allow the steady self immolation we are witnessing.

Catholics must stop cooperating in this ʝʊdɛօ masonic culture of death.

Conversion to reality is a process, so often blocked by normalcy bias, but I offer some good reading:

Voting is immoral
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig9/dunaway-r1.html

and dozens of other serious commentary, of various sound reasoning:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig2/non-vote-arch.html

(this site had the best compilation of sources)

MaterDominici · « **Reply #3 on:** April 17, 2014, 01:10:54 PM »

You'd have to give me the short version, but it seems the point of the article was that democracy is bad. Living in a democratic society is something I can't do a bit about. But, I can use the system -- especially on the local levels -- to attempt to ensure that people who live by God's (natural) laws are the same people who govern over me.

Mabel · « **Reply #4 on:** April 17, 2014, 02:49:17 PM »

Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta

With sincere respect - because I understand your vantage point - I vehemently disagree.

Before I found tradition and the true Faith, I was very active in politics; specifically libertarian policies and campaigns, holding the constitution and bill of rights almost as dear as Scripture. You know the type, infected with americanist heresy. That was me, mea maxima culpa.

After practicing the Faith, so many lies came to light, primarily the rigged political system that favors everything unholy; a system irretrievably broken and our cooperation ensures it's evil continuance. There's no fixing this.

I tend toward the big picture - at it's founding is masonry, with it's oath to destroy His Church and with a capital dedicated to satan in diagram and symbols, so of course He will allow the steady self immolation we are witnessing.

Catholics must stop cooperating in this ʝʊdɛօ masonic culture of death.

Conversion to reality is a process, so often blocked by normalcy bias, but I offer some good reading:

Voting is immoral
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig9/dunaway-r1.html

and dozens of other serious commentary, of various sound reasoning:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig2/non-vote-arch.html

(this site had the best compilation of sources)

It doesn't matter what reasoning and "sound" advice individuals give, we have sources, as Catholics, from authority and works with imprimaturs to guide us in the principles of voting.

"The Moral Obligation of Voting" seems to differ from the viewpoint of Mr. Rockwell, who does not base his arguement on what the theologians have said. He is in no place to offer statements that bind any one of us, we are better off utilizing what the theologians of the Church have written, in a careful manner that we do not shirk our duties nor bind others to our interpretations and political whims.

http://www.novusordowatch.org/cranny.pdf

I've read through this work many times over the years and I will continue to vote and fulfill my obligation, using those principles, until the Church teaches otherwise.

Ambrose · « **Reply #5 on:** April 17, 2014, 05:10:56 PM »

I highly recommend the scanned book that Mabel posted, but here are some moralists on this subject for those without the time to read the entire book:

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Voting is a civic duty which would seem to bind at least under venial sin whenever a good candidate has an unworthy opponent. It might even be a mortal sin if one's refusal to vote would result in the election of an unworthy candidate. [Jone, Moral Theology (Dublin: Mercier Press, 1929, 1955)]

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It is sinful to vote for the enemies of religion or liberty, except to exclude a worse candidate, or unless compelled by fear of great personal harm, relatively greater than the public harm at stake. [Davis, Moral and Pastoral Theology, vol. 2, p. 90 ]

Matto · « **Reply #6 on:** April 17, 2014, 05:19:44 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

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Voting is a civic duty which would seem to bind at least under venial sin whenever a good candidate has an unworthy opponent. It might even be a mortal sin if one's refusal to vote would result in the election of an unworthy candidate.

Since my conversion, I have never seen a good candidate up for election who was worth voting for.

Ambrose · « **Reply #7 on:** April 17, 2014, 05:36:06 PM »

Matto,

I agree that it is not common to have a truly good candidate, but I know there are still some put there.

The part of this teaching that applies to us more commonly is that it is lawful (although not required) to vote for a less evil candidate to block a candidate that is more evil.

If for example, you have a candidate that is mostly against abortion, and against unnatural marriages and good on most other issues favorable to the rights of the Church, and the opposing candidate is supporting a complete evil agenda along the lines of Hillary Clinton, Obama, etc., it is clear that one is more evil than the other.

If Catholics refuse to vote to block the greater evil in our times, we can only expect candidates to win with a full evil program such that of Obama. If it were not for the "less evil" members of the Senate and House of Representatives, his agenda of radically changing our country to a modern Sodom and Gomorrah would be advancing much faster.

To me, this is a no brainer, and Catholics should use their vote to weaken and block evil as much as is reasonably possible. If the election is between two very evil candidates, then still vote and write in the name of a good candidate. At the very least it will show your disgust with the current choices.

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** April 17, 2014, 05:47:21 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

I agree that it is not common to have a truly good candidate, but I know there are still some put there.

I don't know where you live but I live in a very liberal city, New York. We don't often get good candidates here because everyone is liberal.

AlligatorDicax · « **Reply #9 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:04:48 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose (Apr 17, 2014, 6:36 pm)

I agree that it is not common to have a truly good candidate [....] If the election is between two very evil candidates, then still vote and write in the name of a good candidate.

Possibly a complete waste of time. At least under Florida law, write-in votes are counted only for candidates who have prequalified for being written in.

As I recall, the state-wide legal require requirement to prequalify is, in part, a financial issue of printing costs: By agreeing to have one's name not appear on the ballot, the prequalified candidate pays a significantly lesser fee to file as a typically long-shot candidate for office. Which is financially more generous than it sounds, because votes for contests with write-in candidates are expensive to count: Each selection of a write-in voting option must be tallied manually, and meet the same 3-day state-reporting deadline as for contests without write-in candidates (completely countable by tabulating machines).

Having a candidate file for a prequalified write-in is also, in part, a practical issue of managing space available on the ballots. Especially because the Florida legislature seems to require that foreign-language ballots share the same piece(s) of card-stock as the English ballots. Once an election's ballot overflows a single piece of ballot card stock, the voter-error problems increase significantly (I recall 3 full sheets for the general election in Nov. 2012).

Quote from: Ambrose (Apr 17, 2014, concluded)

At the very least it will show your disgust with the current choices.

Not in Florida. If you do cast a write-in vote for, e.g., a Terry Jones (Incendiary Party) who hasn't prequalified, it wouldn't be tallied except as a generic write-in for a nonqualified candidate whose name--I strongly suspect--will not be recorded. Thus, "the very least" scenario is actually that for that contest on the ballot, you would appear to be nothing more than another clueless voter in Florida.

But casting a vote for the lesser of 2 evil names printed on the ballot, as frustrating as that can be, would actually have an effect on the results.

Tiffany · « **Reply #10 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:14:59 PM »

Now that I'm older I see with pro-life work and how well meaning start to equal "off" when you separate the Catholic faith from good intentions and good works.
I think it's better to put that energy into living and teaching Catholic faith (including works of mercy) instead of politics.

Tiffany · « **Reply #11 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:16:42 PM »

I stopped voting after I learned about the suffrage movement.

Petertherock · « **Reply #12 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:23:26 PM »

If you want to be able to keep the 1st and 2nd Amendments to the US Constitution you better vote Republican. The Demonrats are on a jihad to get rid of your guns while they establish "free speech zones" on government lands like they did on Bundy's ranch.

Cantarella · « **Reply #13 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:25:36 PM »

Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta

With sincere respect - because I understand your vantage point - I vehemently disagree.

Before I found tradition and the true Faith, I was very active in politics; specifically libertarian policies and campaigns, holding the constitution and bill of rights almost as dear as Scripture. You know the type, infected with americanist heresy. That was me, mea maxima culpa.

After practicing the Faith, so many lies came to light, primarily the rigged political system that favors everything unholy; a system irretrievably broken and our cooperation ensures it's evil continuance. There's no fixing this.

I tend toward the big picture - at it's founding is masonry, with it's oath to destroy His Church and with a capital dedicated to satan in diagram and symbols, so of course He will allow the steady self immolation we are witnessing.

Catholics must stop cooperating in this ʝʊdɛօ masonic culture of death.

Conversion to reality is a process, so often blocked by normalcy bias, but I offer some good reading:

Voting is immoral
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig9/dunaway-r1.html

and dozens of other serious commentary, of various sound reasoning:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig2/non-vote-arch.html

(this site had the best compilation of sources)

I agree with you a 100%

Cantarella · « **Reply #14 on:** April 17, 2014, 09:29:43 PM »

Any type of democratic form of government is not authentic Catholic.

What we desperately need is a Catholic Monarchy.