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Re: Major CathInfo outage
« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2022, 06:36:48 AM »
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  • Just tried to upthumb someone and it wouldn't work.

    LOL ... you just got a free upthumb because I had to test it out on your comment because of what you wrote.  Worked for me.  Of course, I could have tried a downthumb on your post too.


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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #46 on: September 12, 2022, 06:40:28 AM »
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  • I broke it -- sorry about that. I made a change to the upvote/downvote system, and apparently made a typo.

    Ah, yes, I've been there before, having broken a production system here or there due to a typo.  For as smart as compilers and IDEs have gotten, they still can't prevent the old-fashioned typo.  Latest version of Visual Studio from Microsoft (2022), that thing actually (often correctly) suggests an entire block of code the second I start typing it, guessing what it is I'm about to type.  We're probably about 10-15 years away from a business user being able to type in free-form business requirements and having it generate a software application, so even we programmers can get on board with Schwab's Great Reset, and have no jobs, own nothing ... while being "happy".


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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #47 on: September 12, 2022, 07:26:11 AM »
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  • It worked for me as you can see!
    Just tried to upthumb your post...wouldn't work.  Evidently, some upthumbs work and others don't.

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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #48 on: September 12, 2022, 10:07:25 AM »
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  • Just tried to upthumb your post...wouldn't work.  Evidently, some upthumbs work and others don't.
    I also seem to be unable to upthumb.

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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #49 on: September 12, 2022, 11:01:51 AM »
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  • Thanks for the reports. I realized I was restricting upvotes, which I didn't mean to. I only want to stem the ability of "newbies" to attack long-standing members of CathInfo.

    Let's put it this way: those who have stuck with CathInfo for years, made thousands of posts, should NOT be at a disadvantage compared to new users! But a month ago, if Joe Newbie signed up for a new account (and made the requisite # of posts to be able to start up/downvoting), Joe Newbie could become 13% of ANY user's downvotes -- including members with +4000 upvotes and -1000 downvotes. 13% of 1000 is 130! That's not fair to the long-standing member. So I had to do something about it.

    NOW: instead of giving everyone a 13% cap on downvotes, it varies by person. Long-standing members will get the full 13% of a target's downvotes. But if your CURRENT UPVOTE COUNT is less than your victim's downvote count, you are limited to
    13% of YOUR UPVOTE COUNT + (1/4 of the difference between your upvote count and his downvote count)

    NOTE: It only goes one direction. If you have 6,000 upvotes, you don't get 13% of that figure. The system only checks to see if your Upvote count is LESS THAN your intended target's downvote count. If so, then it runs the calculation. You end up being able to give less downvotes, as you hit the 13% wall a bit sooner.

    I might tweak that formula as time goes on. I might increase that 13% figure, now that it's not given out to anyone and everyone. Also, since people aren't very good about using the upvote/downvote feature (i.e., it doesn't have high participation UNFORTUNATELY), I might have to use POST COUNT instead of UPVOTE COUNT. Both would give me roughly what I'm looking for: an investment in the forum, something that says you deserve to vote that many times against an established member's reputation.
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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #50 on: September 12, 2022, 08:29:37 PM »
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  • Sorry Matthew! Hey! This is fun!
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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #51 on: September 12, 2022, 08:54:20 PM »
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  • Mathew, first a belated thanks for taking time to maintain a great forum and thanks for allowing me to join it.

    Also, iirc I read somewhere here I need 100 posts to use the thumbs up feature ?
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #52 on: September 13, 2022, 05:17:18 AM »
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  • Thanks for the reports. I realized I was restricting upvotes, which I didn't mean to. I only want to stem the ability of "newbies" to attack long-standing members of CathInfo.

    Let's put it this way: those who have stuck with CathInfo for years, made thousands of posts, should NOT be at a disadvantage compared to new users! But a month ago, if Joe Newbie signed up for a new account (and made the requisite # of posts to be able to start up/downvoting), Joe Newbie could become 13% of ANY user's downvotes -- including members with +4000 upvotes and -1000 downvotes. 13% of 1000 is 130! That's not fair to the long-standing member. So I had to do something about it.

    NOW: instead of giving everyone a 13% cap on downvotes, it varies by person. Long-standing members will get the full 13% of a target's downvotes. But if your CURRENT UPVOTE COUNT is less than your victim's downvote count, you are limited to
    13% of YOUR UPVOTE COUNT + (1/4 of the difference between your upvote count and his downvote count)

    NOTE: It only goes one direction. If you have 6,000 upvotes, you don't get 13% of that figure. The system only checks to see if your Upvote count is LESS THAN your intended target's downvote count. If so, then it runs the calculation. You end up being able to give less downvotes, as you hit the 13% wall a bit sooner.

    I might tweak that formula as time goes on. I might increase that 13% figure, now that it's not given out to anyone and everyone. Also, since people aren't very good about using the upvote/downvote feature (i.e., it doesn't have high participation UNFORTUNATELY), I might have to use POST COUNT instead of UPVOTE COUNT. Both would give me roughly what I'm looking for: an investment in the forum, something that says you deserve to vote that many times against an established member's reputation.
    OK, so it sounds like I should have been able to upvote that person.

    I will definitely have to come back to your description above when I am less distracted as I do want to understand the new algorithm. 

    Thank you.
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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #53 on: September 13, 2022, 07:04:55 AM »
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  • NOW: instead of giving everyone a 13% cap on downvotes, it varies by person. Long-standing members will get the full 13% of a target's downvotes. But if your CURRENT UPVOTE COUNT is less than your victim's downvote count, you are limited to
    13% of YOUR UPVOTE COUNT + (1/4 of the difference between your upvote count and his downvote count)

    Interesting algorithm.  But something like this does make sense.  So, for instance, I have >5,000 downvotes.  For this reason, a newbie could have come on here, or else some member could create a new account, and then give me up to 650+ downvotes ... being limited only by his patience to go around finding that many posts.  Not that I care too much, but there was a potential for abuse from a hostile individual.  Usually the problem would take care of itself, since these users would ultimately get banned, and thus take all their downvotes with them.

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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #54 on: September 13, 2022, 07:49:16 AM »
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  • I only want to stem the ability of "newbies" to attack long-standing members of CathInfo.
    Please, just remove this silly system. I'm not the only one who thinks that the system has become increasingly meaningless, but no one else has posted about it. You might as well put the equivalent of Twitter's blue checkmarks next to names. We already know without the checkmarks or upvotes.

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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #55 on: September 13, 2022, 02:46:33 PM »
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  • but no one else has posted about it
    Meant to say that I know those remaining silent about the issues who post or read here.


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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #56 on: September 13, 2022, 05:04:02 PM »
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  • Thanks for the reports. I realized I was restricting upvotes, which I didn't mean to. I only want to stem the ability of "newbies" to attack long-standing members of CathInfo.

    Let's put it this way: those who have stuck with CathInfo for years, made thousands of posts, should NOT be at a disadvantage compared to new users! But a month ago, if Joe Newbie signed up for a new account (and made the requisite # of posts to be able to start up/downvoting), Joe Newbie could become 13% of ANY user's downvotes -- including members with +4000 upvotes and -1000 downvotes. 13% of 1000 is 130! That's not fair to the long-standing member. So I had to do something about it.

    NOW: instead of giving everyone a 13% cap on downvotes, it varies by person. Long-standing members will get the full 13% of a target's downvotes. But if your CURRENT UPVOTE COUNT is less than your victim's downvote count, you are limited to
    13% of YOUR UPVOTE COUNT + (1/4 of the difference between your upvote count and his downvote count)

    NOTE: It only goes one direction. If you have 6,000 upvotes, you don't get 13% of that figure. The system only checks to see if your Upvote count is LESS THAN your intended target's downvote count. If so, then it runs the calculation. You end up being able to give less downvotes, as you hit the 13% wall a bit sooner.

    I might tweak that formula as time goes on. I might increase that 13% figure, now that it's not given out to anyone and everyone. Also, since people aren't very good about using the upvote/downvote feature (i.e., it doesn't have high participation UNFORTUNATELY), I might have to use POST COUNT instead of UPVOTE COUNT. Both would give me roughly what I'm looking for: an investment in the forum, something that says you deserve to vote that many times against an established member's reputation.
    Heh.  I think Joe Newbie doesn't like your new algorithm.  :laugh1:

    If I'm understanding the new algorithm, I think a weakness might be that the number of posts may not mean "long standing member" in all cases. 
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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #57 on: September 13, 2022, 05:46:22 PM »
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  • Matthew should call it the "Croix clause"
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #58 on: September 13, 2022, 06:40:56 PM »
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  • Heh.  I think Joe Newbie doesn't like your new algorithm.  :laugh1:
    The "long-standing members" are the ones who have been complaining the loudest. I even got downvoted for it!

    If I'm understanding the new algorithm, I think a weakness might be that the number of posts may not mean "long standing member" in all cases.
    Let's break out the CathInfo blue checkmarks and save time :laugh1:

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    Re: Major CathInfo outage
    « Reply #59 on: September 14, 2022, 12:49:13 AM »
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  • Let's break out the CathInfo blue checkmarks and save time :laugh1:

    I know you put the laughing smilie, so you might be joking, but I just want to interject --

    If there WERE an "elite" on CathInfo, the equivalent of Twitter's "blue checkmarks", it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. These individuals WOULD be more trustworthy, of higher status, to be considered "better", etc. than members without the checkmark.

    How? Why? You might be screaming. We're all against the Blue Checkmark brigade on Twitter after all.

    It's simple. CathInfo is not Twitter. Twitter is 90% bots and 9% leftists. CathInfo is virtually all Traditional Catholics bravely holding the Faith in a period of great crisis. The amount of education and virtue varies by member, but 99.9% of CathInfo members are AT LEAST TRYING.

    It's like criticizing monarchy or dictatorship. THOSE ARE NOT BAD FORMS OF GOVERNMENT. Only when a godless man is at the helm. As a matter of fact, St. Thomas Aquinas thought that Monarchy was the best form of government, all things considered. Including the consideration that some monarchs are evil and some are good. Oh, and the Catholic Church is a monarchy with a hierarchy, not a democracy. So there's that.
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