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Offline Jack in the Box

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« on: September 06, 2012, 05:55:17 PM »
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  • The previous posting about the "LUMINOUS MYSTERIES BEING EVIL", was the conclusion from the correlation of a "vision" followed by a sermon and a spontaneous comment by a faithful. Three persons were involved around a hellish vision that had occured at the instant the Luminous Mysteries had been prayed.

    That say: The Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary is not exclusively about the Gospel. It is about the relation between Christ and His Mother, or "all about Mary". Mary played an essential role for the coming of the Holy Ghost. Mary also ascended into Heaven, and was crowned above all the angels and saints, this makes her the top creature, and the most powerful advocate. This is what the Holy Rosary given to St. Benedict by Mary is all about.

    John Paul added the luminous mysteries under the pretense of bringing the life of Christ, but those mysteries do not pertain to Mary. It is to be said that the Wedding of Canaa, when Mary pushed her Son to change the water into wine, does not mark the begining of the public ministry of Jesus. The begining of the public ministry of Jesus occured in front of the doctors while He was only twelve years old (the fifth Joyful Mystery). That say, the luminous mysteries do not add anything to the relationship between Jesus and Mary, and on the contrary it dilutes it.

    John Paul II promoted the Luminous Mysteries, and as a consequence he ELONGATED the prayer, thus making it harder to the faithful, while at the same time, this Pope promoted a meaningless "rosary" as a form of an easy replacement. I am talking of the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy which can be prayed in just a few minutes, while the new rosary, after being elongated takes about an hour to pray.

    I bring a shoking statement on the table in saying that the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy in "meaningless". I owe an explanation to this statement: The recitation of this new chaplet does not guide towards any meditation at all. It is vague as an Indue mantra. A mantra is a hypnotic technique used for whatever means the meditator wants to go to. The Chaplet of the Divine Mercy has no mystery, none! This implies that who-ever recites this chaplet may wander in any thoughts, including evil thoughts.

    Pope John Paul II, by his simultaneous action of elongating the Rosary, in order to make it less meaningful and harder to pray, while at the same time promoting a totaly meaningless but convenient chaplet (I called the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy a PLACEBO PRAYER) did not do a favor to God, but to the devil.

    Why make such a big deal? The 153 Hail Mary of the Holy Rosary of the BVM is the weapon that will crush the head of the serpent. The action of JP2 was to JAM this weapon in adding the Luminous Mysteries, and to REPLACE this weapon by a meaningless one. Simply said, JP2 did the work of the serpent (the devil).

    The hellish vision upon reciting the Luminous that started this discussion Mysteries must be taken seriously. The photography of JP2 in hell (published by Chiesa Viva) is probably not a hoax.


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    « Reply #1 on: September 06, 2012, 08:50:38 PM »
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  • the Rosary is from heaven, Mary gave it to St. Dominic.  That tells us that that is perfect, from heaven.  No on has the authority to add or delete.  In this case , add.  There was another time that something was to be added to the canon, the name of St. Joseph.  NOw you might say, well, what is wrong with that.  It is a foot in the door to change (like a trojan horse) that  can not be touched.  We are not dealing with man made, we are dealing with what Christ brought to us.  No one has authority to change or delete what God has given.  If you do, you are showing in actions, that it is not perfect.  If anyone can add or delete, than we could go on forever.  THe church is true, no changes!  The Pope is supposed to up hold what we have and protect it, and define dogmas and such.  Be sure to read what happened at Vatican I, then compare wit Vat. II and you will see the destruction.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 09:13:32 PM »
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  • Now that I think about it, JPII's changes to the rosary make perfect sense.  The Holy Rosary is a gift from Heaven.  Our Lady delivered it to St. Dominic as a weapon against Satan and John Paul II tried to negate it.  That may be an "uncharitable" spin on it but what other spin could there be?  Only a heretic would think that JPII and the jibberish he writes would be an improvement over something handed to us by Our Lady.  

    His predecessor, Paul VI, destroyed the Sacrifice of the Mass.

    We do, however, have the option of completely ignoring the Illuminati Mysteries.

    And you know what else, we also have the option of being completely aloof to the novus ordo mass and only assist at the Traditional Latin Mass!

     :cheers:

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    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 12:12:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: songbird
    the Rosary is from heaven, Mary gave it to St. Dominic.  That tells us that that is perfect, from heaven.  No on has the authority to add or delete.  In this case , add.  There was another time that something was to be added to the canon, the name of St. Joseph.  NOw you might say, well, what is wrong with that.  It is a foot in the door to change (like a trojan horse) that  can not be touched.  We are not dealing with man made, we are dealing with what Christ brought to us.  No one has authority to change or delete what God has given.  If you do, you are showing in actions, that it is not perfect.  If anyone can add or delete, than we could go on forever.  THe church is true, no changes!  The Pope is supposed to up hold what we have and protect it, and define dogmas and such.  Be sure to read what happened at Vatican I, then compare wit Vat. II and you will see the destruction.


    There have been over 260 popes so far -- if each one of them had added OR
    deleted just ONE WORD from the Mass, how much different could the Mass be
    today?

    Man has no right to *change the Mass,* any more than he has the right to change
    the Bible. And as far as that goes, the same applies to the Rosary.  

    *See below*

    Now some may contend that the Fatima prayer is not traditional, since it is
    less than 100 years old. Well, the Message of Fatima is so intimately tied to
    the prayer of the Rosary, and it is Our Lady herself who gave us this new
    prayer, "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell; lead
    all souls to heaven, especially those most in need." In fact, if Our Lady can
    come to three prophet-shepherd children and give them a short addition to
    the Rosary, after she had originally given the Rosary to St. Dominic, one must
    wonder if perhaps there is something about the Mass that Our Lady spoke of
    in the Third Secret which has not been revealed??

    Notice, I ended the Fatima prayer with "...those most in need." That is literally
    the words Our Lady gave the prophet-children, which they accurately repeated
    all their lives. It was the popular use of this prayer that spontaneously added
    "...of Thy mercy." It has been pointed out by much more learned scholars than
    I that these three words actually DETRACT from the Message of Fatima. This is
    so, you can easily see, because "those in need of God's mercy" is really a
    smaller group of people than "those in need."

    In our age, sin has become so entrenched in society that probably a majority
    of people alive today have no practical concept of what sin is. When someone
    has so totally given himself over to sin that he has no desire or interest in
    the mercy of God, what good would it do for God to give him mercy? He would
    not care or have any awareness of it. He might even laugh at it. And if he were
    to do so, he would be committing yet a far more serious sin, such that it would
    be MORE merciful for God to NOT give him mercy!

    Therefore, to pray for those who are most in need" is actually more beneficial
    and efficacious, since we do not really know WHAT these needy souls are in
    need of. It could be conversion, or suffering, or limb amputation, or abject
    poverty, or terminal disease, or a miraculous healing, or a vision of the state
    of their soul, or, which is the most likely case, they might be in most need of
    the prayers of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    As applies to the souls in Purgatory, perhaps God's mercy is the thing they are
    in most need of, but we probably don't really understand how Purgatory works
    well enough to judge that sufficiently to be sure about it. Souls are released
    from Purgatory according to God's justice, and it includes not only His mercy,
    but penitential acts of the Church Militant, the prayers and fasting of the
    faithful, and the prayers of the saints, especially those of the Blessed Virgin
    Mary.

    Speaking of Purgatory, there are no indulgences given for the Illuminati
    Mysteries (thanks for that, Capt McQuigg), so no one would be getting out of
    Purgatory because of those being prayed.

    *Regarding changing the Mass - New Feast Days can be added, and new propers
    and Scripture can be added for them, but the Canon has reached its fullest
    development, most probably, and very little about the rest of the prayers are in
    any way lacking due to the exigencies of our age that are different from previous
    ages -- the prevalence of Modernism notwithstanding! That is, if some special,
    new prayer could be inserted into the CTLM to ask for God's grace to overcome
    the rampant "synthesis of all heresies," Modernism,
    then that would seem to me
    to be a good idea, since the past 2 centuries have been the battlefield for this
    most destructive heresy, even to the point of nearly abolishing the Mass itself!
    That would be the kind of thing that is described by the phrase "organic
    development." It seems to me it's not outside the realm of possibility that the
    Third Secret of Fatima contains words that ought to be added to the Mass, but
    we would have no idea what those are until they are revealed, and they have
    most obviously NOT been revealed. Certainly after they have been concealed
    for 100 years (95 already) and we have seen the devastation worldwide that
    has been the consequence, maybe it's time to add a bit of whatever it is to
    the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 12:57:15 AM »
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  • Agreed!

    I don't know why this post got a  thumbs  down!

    Excellent points  McQuigg and Songbird!

    The Luminous mysteries bother me not just because  they're not indulgenced (while the other mysteries are)  but they wreck the entire structure of the rosary as it relates to the 150 Psalms! This is no accident!

    This is an error right to the very foundation! Right at the origin of the Rosary's very structure!

    Also, consider the nature of these 'mysteries': they're all from the Gospel so  everyone is afraid to criticize their insertion into the Rosary,  but they're all cherrypicked  from the 'social justice Jesus'  gospel that Jesus  was just a man of the people, a public figure doing public baptisms, outward signs like the transfiguration. All true acts of Our Lord but emphasizing externals  that the humanists and masons love so! Don't be surprised if  these  become their own chaplet!


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    « Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 04:38:42 AM »
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  • You may not agree with the idea opf the pope adding the luminous mysteries to the rosary. But they are not evil. No one forces you to pray them. But to call meditating on the Baptism of Christ, the Wedding at Cana, Jesus preaching the Kingdom of God, the Transfiguration, and the Institutiion of the Eucharist evil is something that I have trouble understanding.  

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    « Reply #6 on: September 07, 2012, 05:08:07 AM »
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  • An act that in and of itself is morally neutral or at least not harmful may nevertheless be done with the hope of helping to bring about an evil result.

    Such intentions should be exposed (when there is ample evidence to prove what the intentions are) and resisted.

    This principle should be remembered when it comes to Bugnini's influence on changes to the Rites of the Church before Vatican II.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 07, 2012, 05:47:16 AM »
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    Agreed!

    I don't know why this post got a  thumbs  down!

    Excellent points  McQuigg and Songbird!

    The Luminous mysteries bother me not just because  they're not indulgenced (while the other mysteries are)  but they wreck the entire structure of the rosary as it relates to the 150 Psalms! This is no accident!

    This is an error right to the very foundation! Right at the origin of the Rosary's very structure!

    Also, consider the nature of these 'mysteries': they're all from the Gospel so  everyone is afraid to criticize their insertion into the Rosary,  but they're all cherrypicked  from the 'social justice Jesus'  gospel that Jesus  was just a man of the people, a public figure doing public baptisms, outward signs like the transfiguration. All true acts of Our Lord but emphasizing externals  that the humanists and masons love so! Don't be surprised if  these  become their own chaplet!


    Perhaps it has to do with Jack's proclivities for "visions" which he mentions in just about every post. Whatever other good he/she posts is overshadowed by the vision nonsense.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 07, 2012, 06:26:25 AM »
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  • The Luminous Mysteries is a chaplet of the Conciliar church.  While I cannot say that these mysteries are "evil" in and of themselves, I must say that when one prays them, one is not praying the Rosary.  This is the extent, I think, of any possible evil.

    If one is committed to praying the Rosary every day, the Luminous Mysteries should not be prayed unless one prays them as a separate devotion and in addition to the Rosary.

    But noting that these mysteries are "optional" is not sufficient since the Rosary itself is optional.  One does not commit sin by not saying the Rosary.  One does not, however, receive the graces of saying the Rosary when one does not pray it.  Thus, those same graces are not received when the Luminous Mysteries are used.

    It was the "creation" of the Luminous Mysteries that brought our family to tradition when my wife refused to even consider them when they were "introduced".  I tried to find precident for such an action but my research only found irrational praise for them because they were given by "Pope John Paul the Great" while any criticisms were based on reason and tradition.  Our Lady gave St. Dominic the Rosary and if she had wanted four sets of five mysteries she would have given them.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 07, 2012, 07:12:58 AM »
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  • well put, do it seperate if one must, but not as part of rosary at all....with Lauds in AM, Vespers at night and rosary dring the day, plus normal daily work,home,family-who would have time anyway?
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 10:10:06 AM »
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    well put, do it seperate if one must, but not as part of rosary at all....with Lauds in AM, Vespers at night and rosary dring the day, plus normal daily work,home,family-who would have time anyway?


    Ah, you pray  the Hours?

    Maybe you can tell me how to use the LoH, Breviaries make no sense to me...


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    « Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 10:22:56 AM »
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    well put, do it seperate if one must, but not as part of rosary at all....with Lauds in AM, Vespers at night and rosary dring the day, plus normal daily work,home,family-who would have time anyway?


    Ah, you pray  the Hours?

    Maybe you can tell me how to use the LoH, Breviaries make no sense to me...


    still learning myself, at times, need guidance too.......Praying the Lauds, Rosary, Vespers.......dont normally do the other hrs, occ Compline.......

    the "where to put stuff" is the hard part, also, when the Lauds goes at times from I to II.....plus days where saints and the Breviary directs me to do the Sunday psalms,etc.....was doing that days palsms,etc and Sundays, then tol not to, but it is rather confusing.....still earning, asking and making a few mistakes......can send me a PM for furter discuss or if someone wants to start a new thread, whatever works......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #12 on: September 07, 2012, 03:06:41 PM »
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  • most of the people i know , who say the lumini mysteries are good and believing... i just say to them, thank you i prefer to say the rosary, and they are astonished, they think ,they are praying the rosary too..... :stare: