Author Topic: Luminous mysteries with NO Catholics (Read 1972 times)

PaulLuke · « **on:** August 09, 2012, 10:29:45 PM »

While I never pray the luminous mysteries myself, as they are not a part of the Rosary, sometimes they come up when praying with NO Catholics (such as at abortion clinics, funeral wakes, etc.). Does anyone have any suggestions about what to do when the leader announces the beginning of the Luminous mysteries? I have nothing against the 5 luminous mysteries themselves (for those who don't know, they include the Baptism of Our Lord, the Wedding Feast at Cana, the Proclamation of the Kingdom of Heaven, the Transfiguration, and the Institution of the Eucharist). They are truly wonderful and indeed luminous parts of the Gospel, worthy of reflection, meditation, and thanksgiving, but not a part of the Rosary.

Should I meditate on these mysteries with the group while acknowledging inwardly that this prayer is not a part of the Rosary, or should I meditate privately on a different set of mysteries? I wouldn't want to suddenly stop participating, as praying to Our Lady is always a good thing, but I don't know if participating fully in the luminous mysteries is at all offensive to her.

Any suggestions?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2012, 10:48:53 PM »

Just meditate on another mystery of the Rosary. I couldn't bring myself to pray those mysteries, given that they are just another Vatican II invention.

Belloc · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2012, 10:51:21 AM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Just meditate on another mystery of the Rosary. I couldn't bring myself to pray those mysteries, given that they are just another Vatican II invention.

good advice, though sometimes for me, hard to block out what is going on around me.....

Might need to walk away a bit.....

At a clinic, would pray the sorrowful myself.....rather fitting, it seems.....

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2012, 11:34:04 AM »

Don't pray with them on Thursdays. Then you avoid the Luminous Mysteries all together.

Belloc · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2012, 11:35:23 AM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

Don't pray with them on Thursdays. Then you avoid the Luminous Mysteries all together.

another good suggestion......

Nylndech · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2012, 12:40:41 PM »

If you're leading the Rosary on a Thursday, just do the joyful mysteries.

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2012, 01:11:50 PM »

Quote from: PaulLuke

While I never pray the luminous mysteries myself, as they are not a part of the Rosary, sometimes they come up when praying with NO Catholics (such as at abortion clinics, funeral wakes, etc.). Does anyone have any suggestions about what to do when the leader announces the beginning of the Luminous mysteries? I have nothing against the 5 luminous mysteries themselves (for those who don't know, they include the Baptism of Our Lord, the Wedding Feast at Cana, the Proclamation of the Kingdom of Heaven, the Transfiguration, and the Institution of the Eucharist). They are truly wonderful and indeed luminous parts of the Gospel, worthy of reflection, meditation, and thanksgiving, but not a part of the Rosary.

Should I meditate on these mysteries with the group while acknowledging inwardly that this prayer is not a part of the Rosary, or should I meditate privately on a different set of mysteries? I wouldn't want to suddenly stop participating, as praying to Our Lady is always a good thing, but I don't know if participating fully in the luminous mysteries is at all offensive to her.

Any suggestions?

The HOLY Rosary is the HOLY Rosary. The Lumenous Mysteries are not part of the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Learn to Pray in Latin and Pray the True Holy Rosary Meditating on the 15 TRUE Mysteries - we know which days for which mysteries are appropriate. - The question really comes down to this - do we want to be a Scandal to our neighbor by going along with the Crowd or do we want to be the City seated on the hill whose light shines to all by being a good example to them and not acting Like St Peter did before the Cock Crowed.

Pax

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2012, 03:22:57 PM »

Outside of Holy Mass, the Rosary is the most heavily indulgenced sacramental
of the Church. There are indulgences for every aspect of praying the Rosary,
like holding the beads of a blessed rosary while praying it, for praying it with a
group of people, for praying it in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament, etc.

But with all these indulgences, it is a conspicuous fact that JPII did not provide
any indulgence for the Luminous Mysteries. Nor did he ever state that any of
the existing indulgences for the Rosary apply to this innovation. As I recall, JPII
never talked about indulgences at all, except for one occasion, when he said
that the Church was opening her treasury of indulgence for anyone who would
go to confession on a certain occasion with the intention of receiving this special
indulgence, it would eradicate all of their temporal punishment, like a plenary
indulgence, for their past life. I forget which year that was, perhaps 1999 or so.

So if you're interested in the Rosary indulgences, don't bother with the Luminous
Mysteries. If you're with a group who's praying it, it's probably best not to make
an argument about it, or to get up and leave, because they'll interpret that as
you being "hostile to the faith," or whatever. What I do is just think about the
Joyful Mysteries instead. Nobody needs to know what you're thinking anyway!

You could even go so far as to offer your Rosary for the conversion of those with
whom you are praying! But you can't really tell them that. Just keep it to yourself.

Look at it this way: at least they're praying the words of the Rosary, and they
might get an indulgence -- because they're praying it with YOU who are thinking
of the indulgenced mysteries!! There is one provision that if you can't somehow
meditate on the mysteries, you can still get an indulgence when you pray the
Rosary with someone else who CAN meditate on the mysteries! But I'm not sure
of the intention requirement for that.

PaulLuke · « **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2012, 08:40:15 AM »

I definitely don't want to be a stink about it, especially in the few occasions where I would be exposed to it, such as at an abortion clinic (where sometimes they pray 4 chaplets, including the luminous) or at a funeral wake. I guess when I had suggested doing the same meditations with the understanding that meditating on the luminous mysteries was separate from the rosary I hadn't taken into account just what a special and serious devotion it is. I suppose the best option is to simply silently meditate on a more appropriate set of mysteries when I'm not leading.

Nylndech · « **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2012, 08:47:17 AM »

keep with you a flier or Rosary book which doesn't have the luminous mysteries

then you can show people that you pray three sets of mysteries

helps if publication date is recent or else they say oh thats old literature

went to st joseph oratory, every book on Rosary there had them

plus huge section on jp2 stuff

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2012, 09:03:58 PM »

Avoid praying with novus ordites.

Novus ordites are largely infected with indifferentism. The leaders they follow have torn out the altars of the Holy Church and have enshrined indifferentism as the core of their beliefs.

I started a topic asking if God was offended by the prayers of protestants but it would be equally valid to ask just how offended Our Blessed Savior and his Blessed Mother are with the novus ordites and how they have continued to belittle the Blessed Sacrament.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2012, 09:07:32 PM »

Quote from: Nylndech

helps if publication date is recent or else they say oh thats old literature

Thanks NyIndech!!! :cheers:

This quote is a perfect example of the indifferentism that plagues the novus ordo.

Truth doesn't stop being truth by the mere passage of time.

A person who seeks truth would see the print date and wonder why it was different from what he has printed and who authorized the change? That's what a truth seeker would do.

songbird · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2012, 03:29:57 PM »

I used to say rosaries (of the 3 mysteries) in front of abortion clinics, til I was told by that clinic that the dioceses Mercy Care, was delivering the women to their abortion clinic! This was 1990. When I saw an ad in the dioceses newspaper that asked "are You pregnant?" "Call this phone number". It was a state phone number and when you phoned it, they referred for abortion. Mercy Care paid Into it at a tune of $45,000. Then I found out that many charitable organizations also was directing money to abortion minded groups in hiding behind Domestic Violence, St. Vincent De Paul Clinic and Catholic Social services when asked for referral for NFP, they gave a Planned Parenthood phone number. That was what broke the camels back. I found traditional. I asked the leader of the Rosary group, about the ad in the newspaper and she did not twitch an eye. I said, then is it possible that you are helping the dioceses to "appear" to be pro-life, when in truth, their money supports abortion. She got mad at me and left the State! The challenge is to have rosaries in front of the dioceses for the bigger sin is with the deliverer. I have yet to have anyone to have rosaries in front of the dioceses.

If you notice the flyers to follow the mysteries of the rosary in front of abortion clinics, you will note that you are not meditating on the mysteries of the rosary! The writings are to meditate on the hurts and pains and such of those in abortion and such. This is error. Note that the New Order does the same idea with the stations of the cross. Instead of meditating on Christ's passions, they may meditate on the woes of the world. Some New Order don't even have 14 stations of the cross, some have 10 and I heard of another that had 15 and another where the stations of the cross are on the floor and you end up stepping on them and the reason they give to put them on the floor, is that you are walking the passion. It is so sad how our minds can be twisted. You can say a rosary without going to clinics. Remember, you may be helping the dioceses to look Pro-life, when in truth, they are not.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2012, 04:09:53 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Avoid praying with novus ordites.

Novus ordites are largely infected with indifferentism. The leaders they follow have torn out the altars of the Holy Church and have enshrined indifferentism as the core of their beliefs.

I started a topic asking if God was offended by the prayers of protestants but it would be equally valid to ask just how offended Our Blessed Savior and his Blessed Mother are with the novus ordites and how they have continued to belittle the Blessed Sacrament.

I'm not going to presume to tell you what you should do. But it seems to me that
the Apostles didn't have this approach. They evangelized. We're in a bit different
situation now, since the Gospel has been preached all over the world, and a lot
of those to whom we are reaching out are fallen-away Catholics. Should we
abandon them? How can we be sure that God has not put us here to bring them
back?

We're living in the day of the fulfillment of prophesy, when many would have
itching ears, and would turn their hearing toward fables (II Tim iv. 3-4).

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Quote from: Nylndech
helps if publication date is recent or else they say oh that's old literature

Thanks NyIndech!!! :cheers:

This quote is a perfect example of the indifferentism that plagues the novus ordo.

Truth doesn't stop being truth by the mere passage of time.

A person who seeks truth would see the print date and wonder why it was different from what he has printed and who authorized the change? That's what a truth seeker would do.

Truth doesn't come packaged with an expiration date printed on it.

What are they going to do under severe persecution when there isn't any fresh
food around? Read expiration dates and moan about it?

I get emails with future dates on them, sometimes years into the future.

Maybe that would impress these guys: get a date stamp that says 2023 or
whatever, and stamp your materials with that. See if it helps! Tell them "it's from
the future." They might pay attention then.....

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2012, 04:46:05 PM »

Neil, the novus ordites are indifferent. They suffer from indifferentism - they think all roads lead to God anyway so why go through all that trouble of actually buying a missal and driving to a Mass that is in a foreign language and they've been told that it's the same mass anyways just simplified because "modern man doesn't like mysteries, he likes plain speaking..."

However, now that I think about it some more, I still think it's a very good practice to not pray with novus ordites but it would be beneficial to pray for novus ordites. Add an intention to your daily rosary would be beneficial although the Holy Church needs these prayers in particular because these novus ordites are also followers who think that they are attending Catholic Churches.

Maybe leaving some Michael Davies pamphlets lying around would be a good idea?