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Offline Stephen Francis

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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2013, 07:18:28 AM »
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  • St. Paul the Apostle says that women should have long hair as it is given to them over against a covering like a veil. He goes on to say that a man should not have hair as long as a woman's. It's clear that we're talking about a hair length that is considerably longer than what we see in pictures of noblemen and kings of old. Otherwise many Popes and Bishops would have spoken out against the hair length of men in their day.

    I would much rather see a faithful Catholic man who looks like D'Artagnan, not only in hair length but in propriety of dress and noble comportment, than a liberal Newchurch indifferentist who looks like the typical suburbanite with a crewcut and attends 'church' in Bermuda shorts and sneakers.
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    « Reply #31 on: June 20, 2013, 07:20:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    Are there any RECENT Catholic heroes with the long hair/beard combo?  Like from the last 200 years?

    Maybe the Great Monarch will.


    There aren't many recent Catholic heroes, period.  

    But regardless, all that would prove is what I said before-- short hair is an innovation of masons and liberal revolutionaries of the last three hundred years.

    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #32 on: June 20, 2013, 07:33:37 AM »
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  • I'm repulsed by crew cuts but more so by the general attitude of those who think they are the only hairstyle. I just don't think they look nice and I can't stand people telling men with long hair that they need a haircut. I always get upset when the barber takes cuts my boys' and husband's hair too short, I think they look great with long hair, and would look fine with hair even the length of Our Lord's.

     I think men look like gentlemen with longer hair as well as facial hair. Crew cuts make them look hardened and harsh or like they are military. It doesn't matter what I think, what matters is their love for Our Lord and Our Lady. I realize though that long hair can be a way to combat vanity just as much as short hair. Both can honor virtue and emulate the saints.

     As for what other people said, longer hair has always historically been the norm in Catholic culture, those with shaved, short hair have often been involved as soldiers in a secular or pagan state.



    Well said Mabel.

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    « Reply #33 on: June 20, 2013, 09:18:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ambrose
    Charlemagne:


    Well, of course! :cool:
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #34 on: June 20, 2013, 10:15:38 AM »
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  • I also think there is a generational issue here as well.  Younger people may respect long hair while older people consider a sign of rebellion.  


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    « Reply #35 on: June 20, 2013, 10:16:39 AM »
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    There aren't many recent Catholic heroes, period.  

    But regardless, all that would prove is what I said before-- short hair is an innovation of masons and liberal revolutionaries of the last three hundred years.



    So....St. Pius X had a masonic haircut?????  :confused1:

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    « Reply #36 on: June 20, 2013, 12:25:17 PM »
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    I also think there is a generational issue here as well.  Younger people may respect long hair while older people consider a sign of rebellion.  


    Yes, Mithrandylan addressed this when he mentioned fiftiesism.  Baby boomers are generally beholden to a host of liberal social ideas and attitudes that they mistakenly believe come from the Church and from Catholic culture.  The XXth century was evidently a very confusing time in which to grow up.

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    « Reply #37 on: June 20, 2013, 12:48:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    St. Paul the Apostle says that women should have long hair as it is given to them over against a covering like a veil. He goes on to say that a man should not have hair as long as a woman's. It's clear that we're talking about a hair length that is considerably longer than what we see in pictures of noblemen and kings of old. Otherwise many Popes and Bishops would have spoken out against the hair length of men in their day.

    I would much rather see a faithful Catholic man who looks like D'Artagnan, not only in hair length but in propriety of dress and noble comportment, than a liberal Newchurch indifferentist who looks like the typical suburbanite with a crewcut and attends 'church' in Bermuda shorts and sneakers.


    Did St. Paul have long hair?


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    « Reply #38 on: June 20, 2013, 01:35:47 PM »
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  • Archbishop Lefebvre had a beard at a time when he was a priest.

    Also, the eastern Church (in communion with the Seat of Peter) has always had clergy with long hair and beards. Using the clergy in the Roman rite as the standard of comparison, regarding appearance, is a flawed premise because the eastern Catholics are just as Catholic as clergy in the Roman rite.

    Oh yeah, Jesus, the Apostles, St. John the Baptist, etc had long hair and a beard, too.

    But as other posters already commented, the external appearance does not really matter (as long as it's still reverent to God and within reason), what really matters is a person's character and their internal relationship with our Lord and Blessed Mother.  
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    « Reply #39 on: June 20, 2013, 01:40:53 PM »
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    But regardless, all that would prove is what I said before-- short hair is an innovation of masons and liberal revolutionaries of the last three hundred years.



    Mith, can you show evidence that this was a masonic innovation?

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    « Reply #40 on: June 20, 2013, 02:01:19 PM »
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  • Why is having short hair considered anti-Catholic?  I'm confused because all the modern Popes had short hair--why didn't they wear long locks?


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    « Reply #41 on: June 20, 2013, 02:37:39 PM »
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  • From the commentary of Cornelius Lapide 1 Corintians 11:15

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/scripture/newtestament/1stcor11.htm

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    Ver. 15.—But if a woman have long hair it is a glory to her. To let the hair grow long is contrary to what becomes man, is the mark of a weak and effeminate mind, unless it is done because of ill-health or intense cold. Hence S. Augustine reproves some monks who wore their hair down to their shoulders, to gain the appearance and reputation of holiness (de 0p. Monach.). Again, it seems fitting for a man to pray with uncovered head, for a woman with covered, as the Apostle has proved here. The woman ought, therefore, to let her hair grow long, but not the man, for her hair was given her for her covering.

    Take note, however, that it is not absolutely enjoined, either by natural, Divine, or ecclesiastical law, that a woman should let her hair grow long and man should not. Hence, as was said in the notes to ver. 6, religious women cut off their hair. On the other hand, the men of some tribes, like the Gauls, used to let their hair grow long for an ornament. Hence we get the name of Gallia Comata. Homer, too, frequently speaks of the “long-haired Achæans.” The Romans, also, in ancient times, grew their hair long, and did not apply the scissors till the time of Scipio Africanus. Pliny says (lib. vii. c. 59) that the first barbers came into Italy from Sicily, A.U.C. 454. Lycurgus also enacted that the Lacedæmonians should retain their hair.  S. Paul, therefore, is not laying down any rule, but merely points to the teaching of nature, that it is fitting for a woman, when she goes out in public, to go with bonnet and veil, but not for a man. Still, he here adopts the decency taught by nature, and wishes the Corinthians to observe it as if it were a precept, hence he adds—



    There is no law, and the customs have differed from place to place, so why worry about it?  As long as the man is not effeminate as his reason, I see no reason to think bad of him.

      I would not think Charlemagne was unmanly or the Soldiers in his army, or numerous Catholic kings, knights and crusaders.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #42 on: June 20, 2013, 02:56:02 PM »
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  • There's obviously a lot of evidence that short hair on men is anti-Catholic.  Why isn't there more being done to reverse this among traditionalists?  Can we perhaps try to convince priests to quit having their hair cut short and quit shaving?  

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    « Reply #43 on: June 20, 2013, 02:56:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    … A flat-top crew or military cut is ideal …


    The last thing Catholic Americans need is more incentive to worship the military and its immoral exploits. (The interests of full disclosure require that I admit that my own hair is quite short in part because nothing I say or do will any longer persuade it to grow on top. Surely there's a patron saint for those plagued by thinning hair!)

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    Good Catholics are in short supply.  It has nothing to do with the length of hair.


    Yes, which is precisely why threads like these are without any redeeming value.


    Why is it that the smartest comment on this thread gets slammed with down-pointing thumbs?

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    « Reply #44 on: June 20, 2013, 03:15:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    There's obviously a lot of evidence that short hair on men is anti-Catholic.  Why isn't there more being done to reverse this among traditionalists?  Can we perhaps try to convince priests to quit having their hair cut short and quit shaving?  


    What evidence?
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic