Author Topic: logical approach accross the world (Read 1099 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **on:** July 24, 2012, 02:22:39 AM »

Is the plan to change cultures of different nations by media or war really successful? I don't mean the surface westernization and modern appearance of some nations. I mean the idea of totally changing the deepest layers of their beings. For example, Arabs, Persians and Turks along with many others are known for their emotional approach to life that makes it very hard for them to adjust themselves to modern ways of feeling and thinking. To be really modern you need to have a practical mind, know how to use things and people instead of being attached to them, have clear cut plan undisturbed by sentiments etc.
But not everybody is capable of this. My people for example, very quickly attach their hearts to things and this attachment is sometimes so strong to the point of making them zealous and ready to give up everything for the object of their love (be it a religion, a person, a thing, a tradition or an idea). So we cannot be good Machiavellians. Whether we serve God or satan, we serve our master with our whole hearts, not as a means to our own benefits but as a beloved to live and die for.
It means that no matter how much we progress, we cannot be really modern.........

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2012, 02:52:51 AM »

I hope you are right.

It's true that a certain type of cold mercantile cynicism comes from the British Isles and attempts to destroy all natural ties among other peoples with the solvent of materialism. It succeeds by targeting first women. Corrupt women from their natural end and natural bonds in society are destroyed.

"Make vicious hearts, and you will have no more Catholics" - that is the teaching of the those of the Alta Vendita.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2012, 05:59:43 PM »

Spouseofjesus said:

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Whether we serve God or satan, we serve our master with our whole hearts, not as a means to our own benefits but as a beloved to live and die for.

That is quite a romantic view! But when you serve Satan, you are serving yourself.

You don't think Muslims are serving Satan so that they can fornicate to their hearts' content and feel self-righteous and wallow in wicked, heinous pride while they're doing it?

Who are you talking about, that serves Satan in a disinterested way? There is no such thing. Even someone serving Satan who is a virgin and lives on a bed of nails is doing it so he can feel like he is great, so he can wallow in obscene pride.

I once was at a kids' birthday party in L.A. and was talking to a precocious little girl who was about twelve. Her mother made her run these huge long distances, as if she were an adult training for long-distance running competitions. She was fluent in French. It turned out that the mother was taking money from a wealthy Saudi Arabian, I assume a sheik. The deal was that he paid for the girl's upkeep. He was also paying for other girls in various places. Then when they reach a certain age, he has them flown over and inspects them to see if they suits his tastes, and ultimately I gather he either has multiple wives or a harem.

The fact that the women don't get much of it is the way the society is arranged.
But to romanticize this female obedience is like to romanticize the Pharisees who wanted to pelt adulteresses with rocks. Or like romanticizing the brainwashed females on Warren Jeffs' cult compound. The question is, what are the women obeying? If they were to die for the true faith, that would be more noble than obeying their husbands by serving the devil.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:12:27 PM »

Raoul is actually promoting Jansenism above:

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23. The doctrine of the synod about the twofold love of dominating cupidity and of dominating charity,
stating that man without grace is under the power of sin, and that in that state through the general
influence of the dominating cupidity he taints and corrupts all his actions; since it insinuates that in
man, while he is under the servitude or in the state of sin, destitute of that grace by which he is freed
from the servitude of sin and is constituted a son of God, cupidity is so dominant that by its general
influence all his actions are vitiated in themselves and corrupted; or that all his works which are done
before justification, for whatsoever reason they may be done, are sins; as if in all his acts the sinner is a
slave to the dominating cupidity,—false, dangerous, leading into the error condemned by the Tridentine
Council as heretical, again condemned in Baius, art. 40
24. But in this part, indeed, no intermediate affections are placed between the dominating cupidity and
the dominating charity, planted by nature itself and worthy of praise because of their own nature,
which, together with love of the beatitude and a natural inclination to good "have remained as the last
outline and traces of the image of God"; just as if "between the divine love which draws us to the
kingdom, and illicit human love which is condemned, there should not be given a licit human love
which is not censured" false, elsewhere condemned.

Anyone who condemns the superior family morality of virtuous pagans so as to defend licentious trads is in error.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:27:59 PM »

Of course, he's using the odious example of a girl being groomed for a harem when that is not at all what SoJ was talking about - and he's doing that to attack the family virtues that many Muslims practice.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:43:35 PM »

It is true that false religions do serve the man's pride, lust and avarice. But what I meant was comparing two different ways of outlook one that decides to use things for benefit, and one that decides to stick to things whether they benefit him or not simply because he feels attached to them.
think of two men one of whom buys a good car and sells it as soon as it's repairing get expensive, while the other sticks to his 30 year old out-of-order car because the car reminds him of good old days, no matter how expensive is the cost for repairing such an old car.
It is said that westerners change things/ideas/desires very quickly and as soon as they can find something more useful. but people like us attach themselves to things/ideas and very rarely if ever change them with something else.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:46:56 PM »

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But what I meant was comparing two different ways of outlook one that decides to use things for benefit, and one that decides to stick to things whether they benefit him or not simply because he feels attached to them.

I think I know exactly what you're talking about SoJ. But it's more universal. It's the difference between caring for people and caring for what they can do for you.

Modern liberalism is about caring for people for what they can do for you, and disposing of them, and not believing in them. Not putting trust or confidence in them.

That's why they are creating attitudes that eventually destroy marriage.

Vladimir · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2012, 09:43:28 PM »

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Is the plan to change cultures of different nations by media or war really successful? I don't mean the surface westernization and modern appearance of some nations. I mean the idea of totally changing the deepest layers of their beings. For example, Arabs, Persians and Turks along with many others are known for their emotional approach to life that makes it very hard for them to adjust themselves to modern ways of feeling and thinking. To be really modern you need to have a practical mind, know how to use things and people instead of being attached to them, have clear cut plan undisturbed by sentiments etc.
But not everybody is capable of this. My people for example, very quickly attach their hearts to things and this attachment is sometimes so strong to the point of making them zealous and ready to give up everything for the object of their love (be it a religion, a person, a thing, a tradition or an idea). So we cannot be good Machiavellians. Whether we serve God or satan, we serve our master with our whole hearts, not as a means to our own benefits but as a beloved to live and die for.
It means that no matter how much we progress, we cannot be really modern.........

It is possible if the language is changed.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2012, 01:39:24 AM »

What?
OK there are some ''thinkers'' who suggest that our alphabet should be changed into Latin, the same thing that happened in Turkey. But people of your ethnicity are great Vladimir. they kept they alphabet though it was very complicated.