petertherock said:Well Papal infallibility doesn't mean the Pope can't err. Many Popes before VII have erred badly. One Pope had more girlfriends than Tiger Woods.
I don't think you know how many girlfriends either man had, and anyway, what you're talking about is personal sin. The VII Popes and Pius XII taught heresies and/or errors through the Solemn Magisterium, and that cannot happen in the true Church. Ergo, not only are these not true Popes, but you are in a schismatic sect.
Don't be confused when they say VII was "pastoral" and then switch and say it was "dogmatic." These were genuine encylicals. Can a "Pope" teach and then not teach at the same time? Has there ever been any such thing as a non-binding pastoral encyclical before? Those mind games could not be employed by real teachers, real Popes.
But there are plenty of heresies in post-VII docuмents, just go out and search.
Redemptor Hominis --
"The opening made by the Second Vatican Council has enabled the Church and all Christians to reach a more complete awareness of the mystery of Christ, 'the mystery hidden for ages' in God, to be revealed in time in the Man Jesus Christ, and to be revealed continually in every time."
Petertherock, where is the heresy here? Is it that JPII suggests that Prots can learn from the Church? No, because they can, hopefully to the point where they'd want to join the Church. The heresy is that he says that a Council led to a more complete awareness of Christ. This would be heresy if he was talking about the Council of Florence, let alone that stygian Council from the 60's, because
all was revealed with the Apostles.
JPII pretends to try to backtrack in the last part and allude to this, saying that the same truths are "revealed continually in every time," suggesting they have always been there since "the Man Jesus Christ," which is not exactly correct, they have always been there since the APOSTLES, so while seeming to retreat from his "error," really a deliberately implanted heresy, he actually reiterates it in a different form... Bla bla bla. It's the usual mix of deadly ingredients that Pius X called Modernism.
I've explained this systematic use of mind-bending paradox many times elsewhere, but I think I did a pretty good job in this undiscovered thread --
http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=10086JPII is using the same old double-minded Modernist technique of saying the truth and then a lie, which addles your brain and keeps you frozen and mesmerized and in the grip of the serpent. The 33rd degree Freemason whose films are a sort of mass hypnosis, James Cameron, made a film called TRUE LIES and that title really sums it up. JPII uses a similar oxymoron in this very encyclical that I just found, saying that some accuse the VII council of promoting "
specific indifferentism." This is how people end up believing that birth control is not birth control, like with NFP.
There are other heresies in Redemptor Hominis but I want to get a bite to eat. Tornpage from Pascendi found a big one that I'm looking for now, but it isn't turning up.