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Offline Your Friend Colin

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Re: List of all valid bishops
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2019, 09:06:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 02, 2019, 03:43:50 PM
    +Faure and +Zendejas.  I can't remember the third (was there a third?)  Lots of Resistance folks here on CI who could confirm.
    Ladislaus,
    If you don’t mind me asking, where do you receive the Sacraments?
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #16 on: June 02, 2019, 09:09:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 02, 2019, 03:43:50 PM
    +Faure and +Zendejas.  I can't remember the third (was there a third?)  Lots of Resistance folks here on CI who could confirm.
    Bishop Thomas Aquinas I believe
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #17 on: June 02, 2019, 09:09:39 PM »
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    • Why wouldn't the "regular" Catholic bishops also be valid?
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #18 on: June 02, 2019, 09:12:39 PM »
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    • All the Thuc consecrations are doubtful.

    Kelly as well.

    In fact, I can’t think of any sede bishops whose consecrations aren’t disputed and doubtful.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #19 on: June 02, 2019, 09:13:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Markus on June 02, 2019, 09:09:39 PM
    Why wouldn't the "regular" Catholic bishops also be valid?
    The validity of the New Rite of Episcopal Consecration is doubted by many. 
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #20 on: June 02, 2019, 09:50:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 02, 2019, 09:12:39 PM
    All the Thuc consecrations are doubtful.

    Kelly as well.

    In fact, I can’t think of any sede bishops whose consecrations aren’t disputed and doubtful.
    I agree about the thuc bishops, but why Bishop Kelly?
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #21 on: June 03, 2019, 04:06:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on June 02, 2019, 09:50:09 PM
    I agree about the thuc bishops, but why Bishop Kelly?

    You're obviously swayed by the SSPV propaganda against the Thuc bishops.

    Read +Sanborn's article demonstrating that all of the criticisms that the SSPV have against the Thuc line apply equally to Mendez-Gonzalez.  Mendez had just suffered a stroke and only recognized his own close relatives intermittently shortly thereafter.  It was in this kind of mental state that he performed the consecrations.

    Thuc acted very imprudently and was easily manipulated, but he showed zero signs of this kind of mental incapacity.

    +Sanborn had Mendez vist him in Michigan and decided he didn't want to have anything to do with him because of his strange behavior and strong Modernist tendencies.  It's something that the SSPV like to hide, trying to spin it that Mendez was some defender of orthodoxy and Traditional Catholicism.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #22 on: June 03, 2019, 04:09:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 02, 2019, 09:12:39 PM
    All the Thuc consecrations are doubtful.

    Kelly as well.

    In fact, I can’t think of any sede bishops whose consecrations aren’t disputed and doubtful.

    And then there are those who dispute the validity of the +Lefebvre line.  Just because someone disputes something, usually for political reasons, that does not mean that the doubts are legitimate.

    Just to put it in perspective, +Kelly was in the habit of disputing the validity of +Williamson and +Dolan.  He would conditionally re-do confirmations that had been performed by these men.  Why?  Because +Lefebvre sometimes performed the ordination of priests while laying on only one hand instead of the two prescribed by the Rituale Romanum.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #23 on: June 03, 2019, 04:47:56 AM »
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #24 on: June 03, 2019, 05:18:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 03, 2019, 04:06:41 AM
    You're obviously swayed by the SSPV propaganda against the Thuc bishops.

    Read +Sanborn's article demonstrating that all of the criticisms that the SSPV have against the Thuc line apply equally to Mendez-Gonzalez.  Mendez had just suffered a stroke and only recognized his own close relatives intermittently shortly thereafter.  It was in this kind of mental state that he performed the consecrations.

    Thuc acted very imprudently and was easily manipulated, but he showed zero signs of this kind of mental incapacity.

    +Sanborn had Mendez vist him in Michigan and decided he didn't want to have anything to do with him because of his strange behavior and strong Modernist tendencies.  It's something that the SSPV like to hide, trying to spin it that Mendez was some defender of orthodoxy and Traditional Catholicism.
    Yes.  I am surprised that CatholicinAmerica listed the Thuc bishops at all.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #25 on: June 03, 2019, 05:39:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 03, 2019, 04:06:41 AM
    You're obviously swayed by the SSPV propaganda against the Thuc bishops.

    Read +Sanborn's article demonstrating that all of the criticisms that the SSPV have against the Thuc line apply equally to Mendez-Gonzalez.  Mendez had just suffered a stroke and only recognized his own close relatives intermittently shortly thereafter.  It was in this kind of mental state that he performed the consecrations.

    Thuc acted very imprudently and was easily manipulated, but he showed zero signs of this kind of mental incapacity.

    +Sanborn had Mendez vist him in Michigan and decided he didn't want to have anything to do with him because of his strange behavior and strong Modernist tendencies.  It's something that the SSPV like to hide, trying to spin it that Mendez was some defender of orthodoxy and Traditional Catholicism.
    :applause: :applause: :applause:
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #26 on: June 03, 2019, 05:42:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 03, 2019, 04:06:41 AM
    You're obviously swayed by the SSPV propaganda against the Thuc bishops.

    Read +Sanborn's article demonstrating that all of the criticisms that the SSPV have against the Thuc line apply equally to Mendez-Gonzalez.  Mendez had just suffered a stroke and only recognized his own close relatives intermittently shortly thereafter.  It was in this kind of mental state that he performed the consecrations.

    Thuc acted very imprudently and was easily manipulated, but he showed zero signs of this kind of mental incapacity.

    +Sanborn had Mendez vist him in Michigan and decided he didn't want to have anything to do with him because of his strange behavior and strong Modernist tendencies.  It's something that the SSPV like to hide, trying to spin it that Mendez was some defender of orthodoxy and Traditional Catholicism.
    Well put, but to be clear, I believe that the Mendez line is valid as I see no positive doubt.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #27 on: June 03, 2019, 05:47:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 02, 2019, 09:12:39 PM
    All the Thuc consecrations are doubtful.

    Kelly as well.

    In fact, I can’t think of any sede bishops whose consecrations aren’t disputed and doubtful.
    Please state your reasons why you believe that the Thuc and Mendez lines are doubtful. BTW: holding the sedevacantist position is not a reason for doubt.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #28 on: June 03, 2019, 05:55:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 03, 2019, 05:18:29 AM
    Yes.  I am surprised that CatholicinAmerica listed the Thuc bishops at all.
    I put them in their own category. I wasn’t making the list for myself per se, it was for anyone on this website. I now realize the thuc category would probably be too large to count because of the old catholic cooks and Palmar de Troya line
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #29 on: June 03, 2019, 05:59:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 03, 2019, 04:06:41 AM
    You're obviously swayed by the SSPV propaganda against the Thuc bishops.

    Read +Sanborn's article demonstrating that all of the criticisms that the SSPV have against the Thuc line apply equally to Mendez-Gonzalez.  Mendez had just suffered a stroke and only recognized his own close relatives intermittently shortly thereafter.  It was in this kind of mental state that he performed the consecrations.

    Thuc acted very imprudently and was easily manipulated, but he showed zero signs of this kind of mental incapacity.

    +Sanborn had Mendez vist him in Michigan and decided he didn't want to have anything to do with him because of his strange behavior and strong Modernist tendencies.  It's something that the SSPV like to hide, trying to spin it that Mendez was some defender of orthodoxy and Traditional Catholicism.
    Sanborn wrote Mendez a letter saying he thanks him for the ordination of two priest. The argument that Mendez was in a faulty mental state is unfounded and unprovable. Why would Bishop jelly get doubtfully consecrated if he was so against the doubtful thuc bishops. The mental state of thuc can be questioned however because of his entering of John Paul II name during the consecration, his changing stance on Rome, and his previous actions such as consecration a known homo. I really am not trying to debate right now I just want to make this list.
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