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List of all valid bishops
« on: June 02, 2019, 03:22:12 PM »
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    • can we make a list of all the valid bishops left in the world (ordained and consecrated in old rite by a valid old rite bishop)? Also, which eastern Catholics are still valid?

    For the list, if you know, put the bishops group (ex: SSPX, SSPX resistance, CMRI, eastern rite). If you are unsure of their group put what episcopal line they are part of ex:thuc, Byzantine rite.

    I’ll start the list:

    Bishop Clarence Kelly, SSPV
    Bishop Joseph Santay, CSPV
    Bishop James Carroll, CSPV
    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX
    Bishop Alfonso De Galarreta, SSPX
    Bishop  Tissier de Mallerais, SSPX
    Bishop Richard Williamson, Resistance


    WHEN POSTING VALID BISHOPS, COPY AND PASTE THE PREVIOUS LIST AND ADD THE VALID ONES WITH FIRST NAME LAST NAME, ORGANIZATION OR EPISCOPAL LINE.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #1 on: June 02, 2019, 03:25:09 PM »
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    • All the Eastern Rite bishops are valid.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #2 on: June 02, 2019, 03:26:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 02, 2019, 03:25:09 PM
    All the Eastern Rite bishops are valid.
    Really? They didn’t change ordination rites?
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #3 on: June 02, 2019, 03:30:47 PM »
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    • SSPX Bishops consecrated +Rangel (now deceased), who in turn consecrated +Rifan.

    +Williamson has consecrated 3.

    Several Thuc lines are certainly valid --

    +Guerard des Lauriers
    +McKenna
    +Sanborn
    +Neville

    +Carmona/+Zamora
    those consecrated by them, such as +Pivarunas and +Dolan

    all the the original Palmar de Troya consecrands are valid (gets sketchy after that)
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #4 on: June 02, 2019, 03:31:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on June 02, 2019, 03:26:02 PM
    Really? They didn’t change ordination rites?

    No, they did not ... with the possible exception of the Maronites (would have to do some digging there).
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2019, 03:32:55 PM »
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    • And any of these who were consecrated before the Rite changed --

    http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/sordb2.html
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #6 on: June 02, 2019, 03:34:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 02, 2019, 03:32:55 PM
    And any of these who were consecrated before the Rite changed --

    http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/sordb2.html

    +Radavero went schismatic but then validly consecrated +Cantor and two others for some Gallican-schismatic church.

    +Milingo went nuts and consecrated some people.  Not sure on his date, though, whether it was before or after the Rite changed (he was consecrated sometime in 1969)
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 03:35:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 02, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
    SSPX Bishops consecrated +Rangel (now deceased), who in turn consecrated +Rifan.

    +Williamson has consecrated 3.

    Several Thuc lines are certainly valid --

    +Guerard des Lauriers
    +McKenna
    +Sanborn
    +Neville

    +Carmona/+Zamora
    those consecrated by them

    all the the original Palmar de Troya consecrants are valid (gets sketchy after that)
    Who are the 3 consecrated by Williamson? Also, the reason for this list is so someone can know where their mass is valid, and where they can receive catholic sacraments. the Palmar de Troya people aren’t catholic so I wouldn’t want to include them. 
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #8 on: June 02, 2019, 03:41:05 PM »
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    • Use this list and then copy, paste, and add the current valid bishops of the world: 

    Bishop Clarence Kelly, SSPV
    Bishop Joseph Santay, CSPV
    Bishop James Carroll, CSPV
    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX
    Bishop Alfonso De Galarreta, SSPX
    Bishop  Tissier de Mallerais, SSPX
    Bishop Richard Williamson, Resistance
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 03:43:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on June 02, 2019, 03:35:26 PM
    Who are the 3 consecrated by Williamson? Also, the reason for this list is so someone can know where their mass is valid, and where they can receive catholic sacraments. the Palmar de Troya people aren’t catholic so I wouldn’t want to include them.

    +Faure and +Zendejas.  I can't remember the third (was there a third?)  Lots of Resistance folks here on CI who could confirm.

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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #10 on: June 02, 2019, 03:52:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 02, 2019, 03:43:50 PM
    +Faure and +Zendejas.  I can't remember the third (was there a third?)  Lots of Resistance folks here on CI who could confirm.
    Mendez line:
    Bishop Clarence Kelly, SSPV
    Bishop Joseph Santay, CSPV
    Bishop James Carroll, CSPV

    Lefebvre line:
    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX
    Bishop Alfonso De Galarreta, SSPX
    Bishop  Tissier de Mallerais, SSPX
    Bishop Richard Williamson, Resistance
    Bishop Jean-Michel Faure, Resistance
    Bishop Gerardo Zendejas, Resistance
    Bishop Aquino, Resistance

    Thuc line:
    Bishop Donald Sanborn
    Bishop Daniel Dolan
    Bishop Joseph Selway
    Bishop Pivarunas, CMRI
    Bishop Robert Neville

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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #11 on: June 02, 2019, 03:55:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on June 02, 2019, 03:41:05 PM
    Use this list and then copy, paste, and add the current valid bishops of the world:

    Bishop Clarence Kelly, SSPV
    Bishop Joseph Santay, CSPV
    Bishop James Carroll, CSPV
    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX
    Bishop Alfonso De Galarreta, SSPX
    Bishop  Tissier de Mallerais, SSPX
    Bishop Richard Williamson, Resistance

    You can add them in from what I posted.

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    +Jean-Michel Faure, Resistance
    +Gerardo Zendejas, Resistance
    +Donald Sanborn, ?
    +Daniel Dolan, ?
    +Robert Neville, ?
    +Fernando Rifan, Society of St. John Vianney (Campos)

    I leave out the Novus Ordites remaining and the various schismatics, as well as the very long list of Eastern Rite bishops.  I also pass over the deceased Tridentine Rite bishops.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #12 on: June 02, 2019, 03:58:13 PM »
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    • You beat me to it, but mine add some first names.

    +Selway is +Joseph Selway

    If you want to put the line in parentheses, you could put (+Lefebvre line) and (+Mendez-Gonzalez line) for the +Kelly group.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #13 on: June 02, 2019, 03:59:44 PM »
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    • There are probably some other Thuc bishops who are unquestionably valid.   I just don't know the entire list.
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    Re: List of all valid bishops
    « Reply #14 on: June 02, 2019, 04:04:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on June 02, 2019, 03:22:12 PM
    can we make a list of all the valid bishops left in the world (ordained and consecrated in old rite by a valid old rite bishop)? Also, which eastern Catholics are still valid?

    For the list, if you know, put the bishops group (ex: SSPX, SSPX resistance, CMRI, eastern rite). If you are unsure of their group put what episcopal line they are part of ex:thuc, Byzantine rite.

    I’ll start the list:

    Bishop Clarence Kelly, SSPV
    Bishop Joseph Santay, CSPV
    Bishop James Carroll, CSPV
    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX
    Bishop Alfonso De Galarreta, SSPX
    Bishop  Tissier de Mallerais, SSPX
    Bishop Richard Williamson, Resistance


    WHEN POSTING VALID BISHOPS, COPY AND PASTE THE PREVIOUS LIST AND ADD THE VALID ONES WITH FIRST NAME LAST NAME, ORGANIZATION OR EPISCOPAL LINE.
    Mendez line:
    Bishop Clarence Kelly, SSPV 
    Bishop Joseph Santay, CSPV
    Bishop James Carroll, CSPV

    Lefebvre line:
    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX
    Bishop Alfonso De Galarreta, SSPX
    Bishop  Tissier de Mallerais, SSPX
    Bishop Richard Williamson, Resistance 
    Bishop Jean-Michel Faure, Resistance
    Bishop Gerardo Zendejas, Resistance 
    Bishop Aquino, Resistance
    Bishop Fernando rifan

    Thuc line:
    Bishop Donald Sanborn
    Bishop Daniel Dolan
    Bishop Joseph Selway
    Bishop Pivarunas, CMRI
    Bishop Robert Neville
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