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Offline Incredulous

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Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
« on: February 29, 2020, 08:57:24 PM »
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  • FROM THE HOUSETOPS*


    Abraham Lincoln was brought up a Catholic. 
    At some point in his early manhood he ceased to practice his religion and joined a secret society.

    The evidence for this interesting sidelight on our sixteenth president appears to be quite weighty. 

    First, we have an article written by an anonymous "Pioneer Priest" in the Kansas City Catholic Register and preserved in the Catholic Historical Review, in which a certain Father Cyr, in whose Kentucky parish the Lincolns lived, is quoted as saying that Abe's father, Thomas Lincoln was once Catholic.  And he adds, "I often said Mass in his house and heard the confessions of his children."  (At some period when Abe was well into his career, he and his father had a serious quarrel.  So severe was the resulting rift, that the famed American statesman refused to even attend his dying father's bed.)

    The same author goes on to express his amazement that with all the trivia unearthed about "Honest Abe's" childhood, year after year, on his birthday "his religion as a youth is seldom mentioned."  The reason for this obvious omission is "that in his youth Lincoln was Catholic."

    The article also contains the testimony of Bishop Lefever of Detroit who personally knew the Lincolns, having said Mass at times in their home, and of Bishop Ireland of St. Paul, who was quoted in the New York Tablet (1869) as saying, "Lincoln never denied his religion, but after having joined some society condemned by the Church, he naturally, fell away."

    Bishop Lefever's testimony is astounding. At the time of the president's assassination (Good Friday, 1865) this prelate was in France.  When questioned by a reporter for the Paris Monde he said: "I am pained to hear of poor Lincoln's death." He went on to declare that the tragedy might not have happened "had he taken the advice I gave him when he was a boy living in New Salem (Illinois) to avoid all places of public amusement during the Holy Season of Lent. 'Say your beads Abe', I told him... he was a good, kind boy. He used to help me fix a place to say Mass... after I left there I lost track of him. I was told he married a Presbyterian and fell away from the religion of his young days." 

    The book "Catholics and the cινιℓ ωαr" by Rev Benjamin Blied contains a letter written to King Louis of Bavaria by one of his subjects in America, Abbot Wimmer, head of a Pennsylvania monastery, in which the monk writes, "It is surprising that the president of the United States (Lincoln) is a Catholic but only a bad one."

    In light of such evidence we can conclude that our sixteenth president was raised a Catholic, but some time in his adolescence fell away from the Faith.


    * Page 75. (Issue no. and date of publication still undetermined).


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #1 on: March 01, 2020, 06:37:17 AM »
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  • Some of the greatest enemies of the Church have been fallen-away Catholics:  Stalin, Hitler, etc.  There's a saying corruptio optimi pessima, that the corruption of the best is the worst.  When a Catholic goes bad, he goes really bad.  I find that the most hostile anti-Catholics among Protestants tend to be fallen-away Catholics.


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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #2 on: March 01, 2020, 08:48:50 AM »
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  • WOW!

    Thanks Incredulous.  This is astounding information.  We were never taught this in the public school mis education, indoctrination, mind control establishment.

    Also, to add my two cents, the evil Martin Luther was also a fallen away Catholic.

    What about today's evil antipope bergoglio?  Was he ever really Catholic?

    Look at this dangerous, satanically driven jorge bergoglio and all the minions inside the Institutional Church who seek to carry out the protocols of zion.

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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #3 on: March 01, 2020, 09:35:26 AM »
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  • Actually, this assertion is not all that far-fetched.  There is a core of three heavily Catholic rural counties (Nelson, Marion, and Larue) in central Kentucky that were settled by English Catholics --- not Irish, not German, not French, but English.  The first see-city west of the Alleghenies was Bardstown in Nelson County.  This later became the Archdiocese of Louisville and the see was transferred to the larger city about 50 miles north.  Hodgenville, where Lincoln was born, is in Larue County.  So it's entirely possible.

    It should come as no surprise that Protestant (and probably Masonic) biographers, as well as secular ones, would not disclose this fact about Lincoln.  The events of George Washington's final days are too well-known to need repeating here, but are similarly denied by secular historians.

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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #4 on: March 01, 2020, 11:21:32 AM »
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  • Lincoln was into sorcery.  
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #6 on: March 01, 2020, 02:03:30 PM »
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  • https://www.jstor.org/stable/44374532?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
    It will be good if you post this in the Library section of CI. Others want to use this as reference.
    Not even all the years I attended pre-Vatican II Catholic School I never once heard nor in any
    our study books that Abraham Lincoln was ever a Catholic.

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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #7 on: March 01, 2020, 02:26:06 PM »
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  • Some of the greatest enemies of the Church have been fallen-away Catholics:  Stalin, Hitler, etc.  There's a saying corruptio optimi pessima, that the corruption of the best is the worst.  When a Catholic goes bad, he goes really bad.  I find that the most hostile anti-Catholics among Protestants tend to be fallen-away Catholics.
    Yes, sadly this is true, and the children and even grandchildren of an ex-Catholic tend to be most hostile toward Catholics.

    Many years ago, I was talking with a young man who delighted in repeating the following story from his youth. As a youth, he had befriended a Catholic youth from his neighborhood who had given him a small crucifix. He placed this cross in his top dresser drawer where he collected things of interest. He would often hold it, caressing it. Sometimes, he would fall asleep holding the cross and would then find it in the morning hidden underneath his pillow. One day his ex-Catholic grandma whose husband was a Protestant minister visited his family. A few days later, he noticed that the cross was missing. He checked his pillow and his dresser drawer. It was nowhere to be seen.

    A few years later, shortly after his grandma died, he found that very crucifix near her bedside in a drawer. She had bent it in two showing not only a fierce hatred toward Catholicism, but also a hatred of the Holy Cross. He remained hostile toward Catholics and ultimately married a pastor's daughter who was likewise very anti-Catholic.

    The sins of a father are passed on from generation to generation.

    This is why it is very important to be good examples especially toward our children and grandchildren.

    p.s. My family descended from some pioneers who lived in the same village in Kentucky where the young Abe Lincoln lived. One spring day, the young Abe had fallen into a swollen river. My ancestors from a large Catholic family, formed a human chain and rescued him. Most likely, his family and ours attended Mass together. What a shame that Abe did not persevere in his Catholic faith! Wasn't he warned of his impending death? Did he have a chance to repent?
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #9 on: March 01, 2020, 03:57:06 PM »
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  • Leave it to Incredulous, one of this site's thickest and least credible members, to revive a rumor that was decisively dismissed and debunked fewer than sixty days ago on pages 3 and 4 of this thread. If anyone reading the present thread actually prefers facts to fantasies, let him read or reread the linked pages.

    There is no credible evidence that Lincoln was ever a Catholic, was ever baptized, or ever held the Catholic faith in anything but contempt. Admire him or loathe him as you will, but have the wits and maturity to realize that hearsay isn't magically transformed into gospel truth simply because the tag "bishop" or "anonymous priest" gets tacked onto some idle gossip's unsupported claims.

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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #10 on: March 01, 2020, 05:14:21 PM »
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  • You'll find lots of articles on the internet in which there's speculation, often from Jєωιѕн writers, about Lincoln possibly having been a crypto-Jєω, or not having viewed himself as Jєωιѕн but being of descent from Jєωs who remained in England after the Expulsion of 1290.

    He is a strange looking "white man." It wouldn't shock me if he had Jєωs among his ancestors.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.


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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #11 on: March 01, 2020, 05:43:12 PM »
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  • For better or worse, Ladislaus, the claim that Lincoln was ever a Catholic amounts to hearsay; that is, it is not substantiated by formal docuмentation of any sort. What is more, Lincoln himself asserted that he was never baptized, and Mary Todd Lincoln vehemently seconded that assertion to the end of her own life.

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    You say the above, Claudel, on that other thread you linked to.  But Incredulous did have a few references cited.  Which is about as much as would be available since the fix was in to cover Lincoln's Catholicism.  He was, indeed, born and brought up in early youth in the "Holy Land"-Catholic section of central KY, before moving out of state when still young.  Big deal that he and his wife denied his baptism, etc.  It worked politically.  Besides, that, perhaps, that is all Mary Todd knew of him - as much as he exactly was pleased to tell her, or maybe they both agreed to put some kind of space between him and Christianity.  Why is it you are so against Lincoln being Catholic?  Or is there something else to this?    
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #12 on: March 01, 2020, 06:03:14 PM »
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  • It will be good if you post this in the Library section of CI. Others want to use this as reference.
    Not even all the years I attended pre-Vatican II Catholic School I never once heard nor in any
    our study books that Abraham Lincoln was ever a Catholic.

    According to the link:

    Father St. Cyr's statement to Archbishop Ireland is that Lincoln's father and step-mother were Catholic, but that Abraham had never been.

    "Abraham was not a Catholic; he had never been one, and he never led me to believe that he would become one."

    Father St. Cyr said that Abraham's father and step-mother were "not well-instructed in the faith" and speculated that Abraham's father was newly Catholic due to the influence of his new wife.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #13 on: March 01, 2020, 06:29:04 PM »
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  • Leave it to Incredulous, one of this site's thickest and least credible members, to revive a rumor that was decisively dismissed and debunked fewer than sixty days ago on pages 3 and 4 of this thread. If anyone reading the present thread actually prefers facts to fantasies, let him read or reread the linked pages.

    There is no credible evidence that Lincoln was ever a Catholic, was ever baptized, or ever held the Catholic faith in anything but contempt. Admire him or loathe him as you will, but have the wits and maturity to realize that hearsay isn't magically transformed into gospel truth simply because the tag "bishop" or "anonymous priest" gets tacked onto some idle gossip's unsupported claims.
    Claudel,

    Thank you for your comments.

    It is Lent and I will try to be charitable.

    You lack discernment.

    You should work on this fault during this Lent.  It may be your last.  

    Pray to the Holy Ghost for the Seven Gifts, especially that of Wisdom.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Lincoln was one of the "bad Catholics" St. Bernadette feared
    « Reply #14 on: March 01, 2020, 06:35:28 PM »
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  • Why is it you are so against Lincoln being Catholic? Or is there something else to this?

    Your questions would produce a better effect were they accompanied by and adorned with the spooky music from an old Vincent Price horror flick or something equally Hollywoodish.

    In fact, yes, there is something to what you term "this": I have a deep-seated prejudice against the sort of baseless speculation beloved of people who are challenged in the rationality department. You might just as soon have asked me "Why is it you are so against the moon's being made of green cheese? Is there something else, something sinister, that you are trying to conceal?"

    My counter question to you is this: "Why do you choose to credit unsourced and unverified hearsay in preference to docuмented and well-sourced testimony to the contrary?" Or put otherwise, "What's your beef with evidence?"