By the way, the recent posts in this thread illustrate the pernicious effects of the voting stuff. I'm now finding myself checking to see if I'm getting positive votes and if Tele is getting negative votes. And seeing that I'm getting positive votes is stoking my pride. This is an indication of my own corruption, of course. But still, it's instructive. Of course I don't want negative votes either. I want positive votes, if there must be votes. I want my pride to be stoked - and yet I don't. Yes, instructive.