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Letter of St. Agobard to Louis the Pious
« on: December 01, 2012, 09:34:28 AM »
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    Quote from: St. Agobard
     "There came Gerric and Frederick who were preceded by Evrard, your agents... They showed themselves to be terrible to the Christians and mild to the Jєωs, especially in Lyon, where they set up a persecuting faction against the Church and they goaded the church to many groans, sighs, and tears…

        When the Jєωs first arrived, they gave me a message in your name and another one to the man who rules the district of Lyon in place of the count; it ordered him to offer aid to the Jєωs against me. We absolutely did not believe that such messages as these issued from your judgment, although they were read out in your sacred name and sealed with your ring.

        The Jєωs began to rage with a certain odious insolence, threatening that we would be afflicted with every sort of injury by the agents whom they had obtained to take vengeance upon Christians. After them, Evrard arrived and repeated the same thing and said that your majesty was truly angry with me because of the Jєωs. Then the aforementioned agents arrived, holding in their hands stipendiary tracts and sanctions which we do not believe exists by your command.

        For these reasons, the Jєωs were made joyful beyond measure and the Christians saddened, and not only those who fled or hid or were detained, but the rest as well who saw or heard. In particular, it was because the Jєωs' opinion received such confirmation that they irreverently began to preach to the Christians what they ought to believe and hold, openly blaspheming the Lord God and our Savior Jesus Christ…

        We suffered these things from the Jєωs' supporters and for no other reason but that we preached to Christians that they should not sell Christian slaves to them; that they should not allow these Jєωs to sell Christians to Spain nor to possess them as paid domestics lest Christian women celebrate the Sabbath with them… and that no Christian should buy meats sacrificed and butchered by Jєωs and sell them to other Christians; and that they should not drink their wine or other things like this.

        For it is the practice of the Jєωs that when they slaughter an animal to eat … if the liver appears to be damaged when the entrails are opened, or if a lung clings to the side or breath inflates it, or bile is not found, and other things like this, the meat is considered to be unclean by the Jєωs and sold to the Christians and these meats are called by the insulting expression ‘Christian beasts.’

        With regard to the blood which the Jєωs both consider to be unclean and do not use except to sell it to Christians, if it should happen to flow into the earth anywhere, even into a filthy place, they swiftly draw it out of the ground and put it in a vessel to preserve…

        That the Jєωs daily curse Jesus Christ and the Christians in all their prayers under the name ‘Nazarenes,’ not only the blessed Jerome attests… but many of the Jєωs also bear witness to this…

        Most pious lord, I have mentioned only a few out of the many things concerning the faithlessness of the Jєωs, our admonition, and the wounding of Christianity that is occurring through the supporters of the Jєωs, since I do not know whether this can even come to your attention. Nonetheless, it is absolutely necessary that your pious solicitude know how the Christian faith is being harmed by the Jєωs in certain ways. For when they lie to simple Christians and boast that they are dear to you because of the patriarchs… when they produce commands signed with golden seals in your name and containing words which, in our opinion, are not true… when the aforementioned agents ordered that the markets that usually occur on Saturdays should be moved lest Sabbatism be impeded…

        After the preceding note had been dictated, a certain man from Cordoba arrived, fleeing from Spain. He said that he had been stolen as a little boy by a certain Jєω of Lyon 24 years before and sold, and that he had fled this year with another boy from Arles who had been likewise stolen by a Jєω six years earlier.

        When we sought out those known to the man who was from Lyon and found them, some said that others had been stolen by this same Jєω, others bought and sold, and that this year another boy was stolen and sold by a Jєω. At that moment it was discovered that many Christians are sold by Christians and bought by Jєωs and that many unspeakable things are perpetrated by them which are too foul to write."



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    Letter of St. Agobard to Louis the Pious
    « Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 10:54:59 AM »
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  • If ONLY today's trads understood what Christians of the past did!

    Quote from: Peter the Venerable
    What’s the use of going to fight the Mohammedans when we have among us the Jєωs, who are worse than the Saracens?"


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    Letter of St. Agobard to Louis the Pious
    « Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 11:08:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: PaxRomanum18
    The saint you mean to reference is St. Agobard, bishop of Lyon and crusader against Jєωs under the Franks.


    I'll ask Matthew to change the spellings.  Thanks.

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    Letter of St. Agobard to Louis the Pious
    « Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 11:21:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: William of Monmouth
       "When therefore he was flourishing in this blessed boyhood of his, and had attained to his eighth year, he was entrusted to the skinners to be taught their craft. Gifted with a teachable disposition and bringing industry to bear upon it, in a short time he far surpassed lads of his own age in the craft aforesaid, and he equaled some who had been his teachers.

        So leaving the country, drawn by a divine urge he betook himself to the city and lodged with a very famous master of that craft, and some time passed away. He was seldom in the country, but was occupied in the city and sedulously gave himself to the practice of his craft, and thus reached his twelfth year.

        Now, while he was staying in Norwich, the Jєωs who were settled there and required their cloaks or their robes or other garments to be repaired, preferred him before all other skinners. For they esteemed him to be especially fit for their work, either because they had learnt that he was guileless and skillful, or, because attracted to him by their avarice, they thought they could bargain with him for a lower price.

        Or, as I rather believe, because by the ordering of divine providence he had been predestined to martyrdom from the beginning of time, and gradually step by step was drawn on, and chosen to be made a mock of and to be put to death by the Jєωs…

        I have learnt from certain Jєωs, who were afterwards converted to the Christian faith, how that at that time they had planned to do this very thing with some Christian, and in order to carry out their malignant purpose, at the beginning of Lent they had made; choice of the boy William, being twelve years of age and a boy of unusual innocence.

        So it came to pass that when the holy boy, ignorant of the treachery that had been planned, had frequent dealings with the Jєωs, he was taken to task by Godwin the priest, who had the boy's aunt as his wife, and by a certain Wulward with whom he lodged and he was prohibited from going in and out among them any more. But the Jєωs, annoyed at the thwarting of their designs, tried with all their might to patch up a new scheme of wickedness…

        Accordingly, collecting all the cunning of their crafty plots, they found, I am not sure whether he was a Christian or a Jєω, a man who was a most treacherous fellow and just the fitting person for carrying out their execrable crime, and with all haste-for their Passover was coming on in three days-they sent him to find out and bring back with him the victim which, as I said before, had slipped out of their hands.

        At the dawn of day, on the Monday after Palm Sunday, that detestable messenger of the Jєωs set out to execute the business that was committed to him, and at last the boy William… was found. When he was found, he got round him with cunning wordy tricks, and so deceived him with his lying promises....

        Then the boy, like an innocent lamb, was led to the slaughter. He was treated kindly by the Jєωs at first, and, ignorant of what was being prepared for him, he was kept till the morrow. But on the next day, which in that year was the Passover for them, after the singing of the hymns appointed for the day in the ѕуηαgσgυє, the chiefs of the Jєωs.... suddenly seized hold of the boy William as he was having his dinner and in no fear of any treachery, and ill-treated him in various horrible ways. For while some of them held him behind, others opened his mouth and introduced an instrument of torture which is called a teazle and, fixing it by straps through both jaws to the back of his neck, they fastened it with a knot as tightly as it could be drawn.

        After that, taking a short piece of rope of about the thickness of one's little finger and tying three knots in it at certain distances marked out, they bound round that innocent head with it from the forehead to the back, forcing the middle knot into his forehead and the two others into his temples, the two ends of the rope being most tightly stretched at the back of his head and fastened in a very tight knot. The ends of the rope were then passed round his neck and carried round his throat under his chin, and there they finished off this dreadful engine of torture in a fifth knot.

        But not even yet could the cruelty of the torturers be satisfied without adding even more severe pains. Having shaved his head, they stabbed it with countless thorny points, and made the blood come horribly from the wounds they made…

        Conspiring, therefore, to accomplish the crime of this great and detestable malice, they next laid their blood­stained hands upon the innocent victim, and having lifted him from the ground and fastened him upon the cross, they vied with one another in their efforts to make an end of him.

        And we, after enquiring into the matter very diligently, did both find the house, and discovered some most certain marks in it of what had been done there. For report goes that there was there instead of a cross a post set up between two other posts, and a beam stretched across the midmost post and attached to the other on either side. And as we afterwards discovered, from the marks of the wounds and of the bands, the right hand and foot had been tightly bound and fastened with cords, but the left hand and foot were pierced with two nails.

        Now the deed was done in this way, lest it should be discovered, from the presence of nail marks in both hands and both feet, that the murderers were Jєωs and not Christians, if eventually the body were found…

        And since many streams of blood were running down from all parts of his body, then, to stop the blood and to wash and close the wounds, they poured boiling water over him.

        Thus then the glorious boy and martyr of Christ, William, dying the death of time in reproach of the Lord's death, but crowned with the blood of a glorious martyrdom, entered into the kingdom of glory on high to live for ever…

        As a proof of the truth and credibility of the matter we now adduce something which we have heard from the lips of Theobald, who was once a Jєω, and afterwards a monk. He verily told us that in the ancient writings of his fathers it was written that the Jєωs, without the shedding of human blood, could neither obtain their freedom, nor could they ever return to their fatherland.

        Hence it was laid down by them in ancient times that every year they must sacrifice a Christian in some part of the world to the Most High God in scorn and contempt of Christ, that so they might avenge their sufferings on Him; inasmuch as it was because of Christ's death that they had been shut out from their own country, and were in exile as slaves in a foreign land…

        Wherefore the chief men and Rabbis of the Jєωs who dwell in Spain assemble together at Narbonne… cast lots for all the countries which the Jєωs inhabit; and whatever country the lot falls upon, its metropolis has to carry out the same method with the other towns and cities, and the place whose lot is drawn has to fulfill the duty imposed by authority…

        Now in that year in which we know that William, God's glorious martyr, was slain, it happened that the lot fell upon the Norwich Jєωs, and all the ѕуηαgσgυєs in England signified, by letter or by message, their consent that the wickedness should be carried out at Norwich.

        ‘I was,’ said he ‘at that time at Cambridge, a Jєω among Jєωs, and the commission of the crime was no secret to me. But in process of time, as I became acquainted with the glorious display of miracles which the divine power carried out through the merits of the blessed martyr William, I became much afraid, and following the dictates of my conscience, I forsook Judaism, and turned to the Christian faith.’

        These words-observe, the words of a converted Jєω-we reckon to be all the truer, in that we received them as uttered by one who was a converted enemy, and also had been privy to the secrets of our enemies."

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    Letter of St. Agobard to Louis the Pious
    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2012, 03:02:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: The Plot Against the Church
    This welcome reaction is commented upon by the classical Jєωιѕн historian Graetz, as follows: “Those who held firmly to the discipline of the Church, saw in the violation of the Church laws, in the favour shown to the Jєωs and in the freedoms allowed to them, the downfall of Christianity. Envy and hatred were at the back of this righteousness. The protectors of the Jєωs at the court with the Empress at their head were hated by the Church party... The advocate of Church righteousness and of hatred for the Jєωs of the then time was the restless enthusiastic Archbishop of Lyon, Agobard, whom the Church has canonised.176 He slandered the Empress Judith, rebelled against the Emperor and drove the princes to rebellion... The bishop wished to restrict the freedom of the Jєωs and to bring them back to the low position which they occupied under the Merovingians.”177
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    It's important to understand: SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE.

    Christians are supposed to be envious of thirty pieces of silver and accused of seeking revenge for reacting against the stab in the back!

    The truth is that these methods and techniques of the Jєωs to attack our religion are always the same - and their servants are always the same - always deceitful and malevolent.

    The neo-SSPX accepts Nostra Aetate and rejects St. Agobard and St. John Chrysostom and all the holy saints who have guarded watchfully the sheepfold against the enemies of our Lord, because they are no longer concerned with the Catholic Faith or the well-being of Catholic people.


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    Letter of St. Agobard to Louis the Pious
    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2012, 04:14:49 PM »
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    Quote from: St. Agobard
     ...  Most pious lord, I have mentioned only a few out of the many things concerning the faithlessness of the Jєωs, our admonition, and the wounding of Christianity that is occurring through the supporters of the Jєωs, since I do not know whether this can even come to your attention. Nonetheless, it is absolutely necessary that your pious solicitude know how the Christian faith is being harmed by the Jєωs in certain ways. For when they lie to simple Christians and boast that they are dear to you because of the patriarchs… when they produce commands signed with golden seals in your name and containing words which, in our opinion, are not true… when the aforementioned agents ordered that the markets that usually occur on Saturdays should be moved lest Sabbatism be impeded




    Are you aware of the Forex market?  Short for Foreign Exchange.

    It has a volume larger than all the rest of world commerce combined,
    by a huge factor, in the trillions of dollars daily.

    The Forex does not do business on Saturday, Manhattan NY time, that
    is, from 6:00 pm Friday to 12:00 am Sunday, UTC - 5 (same as GMT-5).

    The only reason I figure they stop at 6:00 pm is it's close to midnight
    for Israel, and, it represents the end of the day for Jєωs in New York.
    (Sundown is the end of the day for rabbinical practices.)  And then they
    may start up again at midnight NY time because it's after Jerusalem
    time for the new day and it's the Western standard for the beginning
    of the new day in NY.  But I've never heard it explained really.  Maybe it
    is explained somewhere.

    Trading takes place over the Internet and is instantaneous.  When
    you are doing it, you can buy or sell millions of dollars in every major
    national currency with the click of your mouse, many times in one minute,
    in fact, there are software programs you can get that do it automatically,
    called "bots" for robots.   The speed with which they can buy and sell on
    a preset program of instructions is beyond fast.  Hundreds of transactions
    per second.  

    If you don't know what you're doing you can spend your life's savings in
    less than one second.   A lot less.  If you do know what you're doing, you
    can pile up money fast too, but never as fast as you can easily lose it.  

    I used a dummy account (not real money) one time to win over a million
    "dollars" in about 5 minutes.

    The money changers are still at it, and they take the day off, Saturdays.






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    Letter of St. Agobard to Louis the Pious
    « Reply #6 on: December 06, 2012, 09:22:03 PM »
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  • It truly is best to keep your distance from Jєωs, in business and otherwise.  It's well known that they are deceivers; deceptive, duplicitous, dishonest.  Their contempt for non-Jєωs is only too well known to those who are even slightly paying attention.  

    If your employment makes it obligatory to have dealings with Jєωιѕн people, minimize it to the best of  your ability.  

    Don't walk around bragging or boasting about how you keep away, just keep away.

    You have too much to lose, financially (which is bad enough) and spiritually (this is the truly fatal stuff).  If they take advantage of you, you will be inclined to want to seek revenge and this replaces the devotion you should have for Our Lady and Our Lord with a sick twisted desire to go after those who wronged you.  It's a losing idea.  

    Guys, stay away and keep your guard up.