Author Topic: So no lay people do any reading in the TLM? (Read 1687 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2015, 06:13:24 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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In my experience the only time laymen have read Scripture for Mass has been in Novus Ordo settings or some kind of hybrid deal. I have never once seen a Traditional Latin Mass with a layman (or woman obviously) reading an Epistle or a Gospel.

I don't doubt the veracity of these other posts saying it has happened, but I have never seen it in person, anywhere.

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I'm pretty sure from some videos I've seen that it is common practice at NO services, but like you, I've never seen and honestly, this is the first I've heard of a layman doing the readings.

TKGS · « **Reply #16 on:** December 10, 2015, 07:04:24 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: Neil Obstat
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In my experience the only time laymen have read Scripture for Mass has been in Novus Ordo settings or some kind of hybrid deal. I have never once seen a Traditional Latin Mass with a layman (or woman obviously) reading an Epistle or a Gospel.

I don't doubt the veracity of these other posts saying it has happened, but I have never seen it in person, anywhere.

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I'm pretty sure from some videos I've seen that it is common practice at NO services, but like you, I've never seen and honestly, this is the first I've heard of a layman doing the readings.

It is common practice for a layman or laywoman to read the two epistles, the responsorial Psalm, and the Alleluia verse in the Novus Ordo. This is intended as part of the Novus Ordo liturgy itself. The priest does not read at all when this is occurring.

Having a layman read the epistle in the vernacular to the congregation is obviously not common, but, as I said above, I have seen it done in two chapels. In neither case, was it intended to be a formal part of the liturgy as the priest did say the readings in Latin at the altar. This may be, as was commented above, an abuse, I don't know. I just know it was done.

I'm responding here because it seems to me that the above two individuals seem to think this is a part of the Mass itself, whereas the reading of the epistle and gospel in the vernacular is not a part of the Mass.

AlligatorDicax · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2015, 02:50:38 PM »

Quote from: TKGS (Dec 09, 2015, 7:00 pm)

The priest is saying the epistle and gospel during Mass while a layman read the epistle and Gospel from a lectern.

The former in Latin, and the latter in English? In the mid-20th century U.S.A., each faithful adult--or adult couple--typically owned at least 1 Latin/English Missal, and it was a matter of pride to each child who'd received First Communion to use some approximation to one, and all brought them to Mass. The celebrant would read the epistle and gospel in whatever was his habitual vocal volume, but whether he was easily heard mattered little:  The faithful in the pews all turned pages to the missal section for the proper of the Mass of the day, using 1 of the ribbon-markers typically bound into their missals, and followed along in English.

But word-for-word Missals are an effective solution only for the literate faithful in the pews.

Quote from: TKGS (Dec 09, 2015, 7:00 pm)

When both were done with the Gospel, the layman went back to a pew and the priest moved the Missal, [....]

A lay lector performing a function for which there seemed to be no need before Vatican II, but no altar boy available for wrestling the Missal around the altar? Any priest whose life was blessed by receiving a practically unquestionable ordination before the Novus Ordo took effect (esp. New Ordinal of ¿1968|1969|1970?), and received the grace that allowed him to reject it, couldn't now be much younger than 75 years old. Genuflection can become a challenge for men who are quite a few years younger than that, never mind carrying a Missal-&-stand down and up altar steps.

TKGS · « **Reply #18 on:** December 10, 2015, 05:58:33 PM »

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The priest is saying the epistle and gospel during Mass while a layman read the epistle and Gospel from a lectern.

The former in Latin, and the latter in English?

Yes. The priest did not re-read the English epistle and gospel before the sermon as is typically done even though most people have hand missals.

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When both were done with the Gospel, the layman went back to a pew and the priest moved the Missal....

A lay lector performing a function for which there seemed to be no need before Vatican II, but no altar boy available for wrestling the Missal around the altar?

Not sure what you're getting at. At Low Mass, the priest always (at least at every single low Mass I've ever attended) moves the Missal towards the center of the altar after he reads the gospel, most then remove the maniple, places it on the Missal, then returns to the foot of the altar before going to the lectern to give the sermon. The altar boy just doesn't move the Missal to the center of the altar after the gospel at a Low Mass. Are you saying the SSPX, FSSP, SSPV, CMRI, and most independent priests are doing this wrong?