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I forget what video it was but I saw one where Kiko Arguello, the founder of the Neo-Catechumenal Way, was complaining that before V2 only the clergy would preach and lay people like him were not allowed to preach publicly and that this was one of the great fruits of V2.

This is rampant in the Novus Ordo and one of the things I hate the most about it, how now the laity are practically in charge and just about anyone gives lectures and sermons and whatnot.

Perhaps you might appreciate this segment from a recent presentation:

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With the focus being the community and banquet, today, full participation means accepting the "call" to a "leadership role" at the feast.  This means being a "liturgical minister" -- a reader, cantor, music minister, liturgy designer, eucharistic minister, cup minister -- and, I guess, dance ministers now.  There are also the lesser "ministries" of ushers, greeters, etc.

I got this bulletin last Sunday from a nearby church.  On the front cover it has a section titled "Ministries."  It lists 30 varieties, but there are many more.  Anything a lay person does for the parish is a "ministry."  Many good people have been led to believe they must have a "ministry" in order to serve the Church.  They truly believe they are helping remedy a priest shortage or taking some of the load off the priest.

Unfortunately, no matter how altruistic their motive, they are helping the modernist feminist agenda of using a plethora of lay ministries to destroy the ordained priesthood, and the very identity of the Church herself.  I'll get to that in a few minutes. But first lets consider another major source of outrages against the Holy Eucharist -- Communion in the hand...

Remember, at first they were so very careful to call these laymen "Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers."  It didn't take a genius to expect that before long the silly and unnecessary first word would be dropped.  Sure enough, it only took a few years, and now they are nearly all called eucharistic ministers, because there is nothing extraordinary about them.

If they were honest, they would be mundane eucharistic ministers or commonplace or regular or ubiquitous eucharistic ministers.  But that might make them feel less special, and we couldn't have that happen, could we?

It's a very good presentation, and I'll post more of it if anyone wants me to.

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I forget what video it was but I saw one where Kiko Arguello, the founder of the Neo-Catechumenal Way, was complaining that before V2 only the clergy would preach and lay people like him were not allowed to preach publicly and that this was one of the great fruits of V2.

This is rampant in the Novus Ordo and one of the things I hate the most about it, how now the laity are practically in charge and just about anyone gives lectures and sermons and whatnot.

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Quote from: Disputaciones

I forget what video it was but I saw one where Kiko Arguello, the founder of the Neo-Catechumenal Way, was complaining that before V2 only the clergy would preach and lay people like him were not allowed to preach publicly and that this was one of the great fruits of V2.

This is rampant in the Novus Ordo and one of the things I hate the most about it, how now the laity are practically in charge and just about anyone gives lectures and sermons and whatnot.

This is incorrect. If he is talking about preaching the homily at mass then I have news for him. Lay people are still forbidden to preach the homily at mass. If he is talking about catechesis the he is still wrong. The Church has always had lay people who act as catechists in the Church.  

What do you call laypeople giving the "homily of the word" in certain instances in the Novus Ordo then?

But he was referring to neither case.

I will try to track down the video but from what I gather, I think it had to do with public preaching, like the sort he does now. They have very large gatherings where he preaches to the masses of people.

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Quote from: Disputaciones

I forget what video it was but I saw one where Kiko Arguello, the founder of the Neo-Catechumenal Way, was complaining that before V2 only the clergy would preach and lay people like him were not allowed to preach publicly and that this was one of the great fruits of V2.

This is rampant in the Novus Ordo and one of the things I hate the most about it, how now the laity are practically in charge and just about anyone gives lectures and sermons and whatnot.

This is incorrect. If he is talking about preaching the homily at mass then I have news for him. Lay people are still forbidden to preach the homily at mass. If he is talking about catechesis the he is still wrong. The Church has always had lay people who act as catechists in the Church.  

What do you call laypeople giving the "homily of the word" in certain instances in the Novus Ordo then?

But he was referring to neither case.

I will try to track down the video but from what I gather, I think it had to do with public preaching, like the sort he does now. They have very large gatherings where he preaches to the masses of people.

If what you are talking about amounts to laymen giving the homily at mass then it is forbidden in the code of Canon Law and in the most recent docuмents.

Show these prohibitions.

66. The Homily should ordinarily be given by the Priest Celebrant himself or be entrusted by him to a concelebrating Priest, or from time to time and, if appropriate, to the Deacon, but never to a lay person.[64] In particular cases and for a just cause, the Homily may even be given by a Bishop or a Priest who is present at the celebration but cannot concelebrate.