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I admit that I would be reluctant to tell the priest where I attend Mass that I read Cathinfo.  This priest is SSPX, as in allied with Bishop Fellay.  I would expect him to have major problems with this forum explicitly identifying itself with the Resistance (or whatever better name there is for it -  I think that thread is still ongoing. :) )

I am not suggesting that this is something about Cathinfo that can or should be changed.  It is too much a part of the forum identity.   But I do see it as an obstacle to the forum having a more general appeal.

I am afraid I have to agree with Jaynek, for CIF is as far as I can see, is the RESISTANCE forum. As another who goes to Mass in a SSPX chapel, I have seen what the 'resistance' people can do and say to turn others to make them leave the church where they went to daily Mass for years and all the different activities to do with Catholicism. Not once have I heard anything that is not the Catholicism of my 76 years of experience in my SSPX chapel. If I did, I too would look for somewhere else.  

I cannot count how many times I have read on the Resistance thread this 'betrayal' of Tradition was imminent, next week, next month. But in spite of that never happening, the Resistance take the position that if it hasn't happened in fact, it has happened in the mind. Proof of this is everywhere. Indeed even when I was writing my answer Joez posted 'and I will be looking when the SSPX ship finally sinks.'

I have of course tried to find out what motivates the Resistance. For years I have read and heard that the SSPX were about to join the Modernists in Rome. When it comes to free speech, debate or try to point out a position contrary to this resistance on CIF, I have learned from experience, one would better wear a crash helmet. Only resistance opinion is welcome on this thread. That is not free speech.

For this very reason, as Jaynek agrees, I rarely refer to CIF as an open Catholic Forum. Yes it is the best Catholic forum I have come across, but it has a thread that invites criticism of every SSPX priest who choses to remain within their Society of Priests, irrespective of whether they too would be concerned or are waiting to see if the SSPX did enter a relationship with the Modernists and what kind of relationship this would involve.

Matthew asked a question. Jaynek and I answered his request in charity.

"desire to bring the warring clans together in the world of Tradition. "

This is the main reason why I've kept returning here, it's also the main reason why I've sometimes been so disappointed with this forum.
 Those that have tried to ' purify ' the traditional catholic movement into an image of their own particular clan / klan , have too often taken advantage of the moderator's need to attend to real life / real time issues. 

I have of course tried to find out what motivates the Resistance. For years I have read and heard that the SSPX were about to join the Modernists in Rome. When it comes to free speech, debate or try to point out a position contrary to this resistance on CIF, I have learned from experience, one would better wear a crash helmet. Only resistance opinion is welcome on this thread. That is not free speech.

Matthew asked a question. Jaynek and I answered his request in charity.

What do you know, you haven't been censored OR banned. So much for that little dig!

I won't tolerate emotional zealots against the Resistance, no. But you yourself admit and point out that many CathInfo members aren't involved with the Resistance, or even sympathetic to it. So much for your BASELESS assertion that CathInfo doesn't tolerate free speech or a variety of opinions.

I sincerely hope you discovered what you were after. There are plenty of posts on this forum giving you all the arguments and evidence why the Resistance exists. I'm happy for you that you find your local SSPX chapel unchanged, but mark my words the changes at the top WILL percolate down to the chapels and individual pews eventually, if they haven't already. The leadership molds and directs an organization. The superiors form the inferiors. Ideas matter.

I've repeated many times my own scientific data on this heading, for example interviewing people who stayed with the SSPX. They spout total nonsense now, such as the idea that an independent chapel is somehow "disobedient" or "less legit" than the local SSPX chapel. How so? Because the SSPX gets auto-jurisdiction after their 5,000th parishioner, their 30th year in business, their 100th piece of real estate, or their $5,000,000th dollar in the bank? Give me a break! Who gave these parishioners these ideas? They certainly didn't have them 5 years ago. What else can I conclude? There is only one possibility: the recently-ordained priests who served the San Antonio chapel for over 1 year have taught this in sermons, confession, and through peer pressure. They must have brainwashed these and other individuals. There is a groupthink going on there, and it isn't good.

These people are being slowly frog-boiled to accept Vatican II, the new religion, and the leadership of the priests/bishops/hierarchy of that new religion.
The District Superior (Fr. Wegner) visited my old San Antonio chapel and endeavored to convince the parish that Vatican II and conciliar bishops "weren't that bad". That's not the Traditional movement/Catholic resistance I signed up for. I was raised Traditional Catholic, and so I will remain until the Crisis is OVER. Only a complete fool would say the Crisis is ameliorating to ANY degree, much less claim it's almost over. On the contrary! Just look at Pope Francis.

The SSPX has a messianic complex, and they have become very cult-like in the past 6 years. But the SSPX is nothing without the Catholic Faith. And they are starting to play footsie with Modernist Rome now, trying to get on the good side of the scandalous Pope Francis, so they are actively losing their only real value. Their money and buildings aren't worth crap if they aren't going to reject Vatican II WITHOUT COMPROMISE as they did for decades. If we're to judge an organization strictly by its wealth, I would pass up the SSPX and go right for the Conciliar Church. Even the cash and real estate-rich SSPX is poor as a churchmouse compared to the vast wealth owned by the mainstream Church!

But we all know buildings and wealth aren't everything. What's important is avoiding the Modernist contagion. Vatican II must be destroyed. Vatican II isn't 95% Catholic. It is 0% Catholic. It is full of ambiguous statements, and a double tongue is a trademark or telltale sign of the devil's horns. The devil is the father of lies and confusion. And shall we follow Our Lord's advice to judge a tree by its fruits? Therefore Vatican II must be stricken from the record, burned at the stake, 100% of it. Every single docuмent. Throw it all out and start over.