Author Topic: Kremlin poisons spy who broadcast the truth (Read 1582 times)

Dawn · « **Reply #1 on:** November 24, 2006, 10:40:35 AM »

Wow, Putin said alot without saying a word. What a cold hearted, souless man he is.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2006, 09:52:02 AM »

From the other sources I've read about Putin, I believe that the spy told the truth.

I remember they went in with the Russian army and crushed a Chechen uprising (of some sort) after some apartment buildings were blown up. I remember that, though not all the details surrounding it.

Governments (especially evil ones) have been doing false-flag attacks for literally CENTURIES. Nero perpetrated one of the first (the burning of Rome, so he could blame it on his enemy, the Christians).

Matthew

Vandaler · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2006, 10:34:03 AM »

What an intriguing story this is.

I believe also that he was speaking the truth.. that is to mean that is heart was pure and he spoke with great honesty. But the covert and exotic method used on him suggest it's possible that Alexander Litvinenko himself does not know who did this to him.

There is of course the possiblibility that this was the work of the FSB (Russian Security Services). The Ukrainian presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko, who fell ill from poison dioxin during his 2004 campaign comes to mind.

It could also be a plot to discredit Vladimir Putin's governement... there is no shortage of possible suspects in that case.

Also, Mr. Litvinenko was involved in fighting powerful Russian crime syndicates... http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2013254.ece

No matter, this is now a crime scene and the investiguation is underway... Hopefully we will know more soon.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #4 on:** November 25, 2006, 01:25:02 PM »

Tell me again.

What was this spy saying? What secrets did he leak?

antyshemanic · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2006, 03:15:54 PM »

Quote from: Vandaler

It could also be a plot to discredit Vladimir Putin's governement... there is no shortage of possible suspects in that case.

No matter, this is now a crime scene and the investiguation is underway... Hopefully we will know more soon.

I would have to agree with vandaler's statement on this,
reading the story above brought to mind of a story I read last year. Sorry for the long post.

Russia, Israel and Media Omissions By ALISON WEIR
Friday, February 17, 2005

As is often the case with AP's coverage of news having to do with Israel, there's a serious omission in its reporting on the Russia-Israel connection even when it involves oil and the United States.

The day after the State of the Union Address, two Interpol fugitives attended the "National Prayer Breakfast" held in Washington DC. The day before that, these fugitives from the law were the guests of honor at an hour-long meeting of the International Relations Committee on Capitol Hill, invited by ranking Democrat Tom Lantos (Calif.)

You would think it would be hot news when wanted men being hunted by European police suddenly pop up in the US particularly on Capitol Hill and at events attended by the US president.
Yet, there was not a single AP story in the US on any of this.

[1] Not a single national network television or radio news program even mentioned these facts. In fact, Google and LexisNexis searches four days after these events took place turned up only three newspaper articles on them anywhere in the entire country.
[2]Who are these fugitives from the law, wanted by Interpol, who are meeting at the highest levels of the US government? And why didn't we learn of them?
Therein lies the story. These two men, it turns out, are just the tips of a colossal iceberg. And this iceberg doesn't just have 90 percent of its mass hidden under water; this iceberg is almost entirely submerged.
They are Mikhail Brudno and Vladimir Dubov, Israeli-Russian partners in the giant Russian oil company Yukos. They, along with a number of their cronies, are wanted by Interpol for allegedly bilking Russian citizens out of billions of dollars. To elude Russian prosecution, these men have taken up residence in Israel.

[3]As the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz explains: "In recent years Russian authorities began investigating [Yukos], its managers and major stockholders, many of whom are of Jєωιѕн origin. The probes caused several of the managers to flee to Israel, and resulted in Khodorkovski's [Yukos CEO] arrest and a Kremlin attack on Yukos."

The fact is that Israel is an important factor in the ongoing, nation-shaking power struggle now going on in Russia. Yet AP virtually never reports this connection. For example, a few months ago in a typical AP story on this power struggle, "Report: Russia again charges Berezovsky," [4] Moscow AP Bureau Chief Judith Ingram makes no mention anywhere that Berezovsky is an Israeli citizen, or of his many connections to Israel.
Such omissions by AP and large swaths of the American media leave Americans seriously disadvantaged in deciphering what is going on in Russia, and its profound significance for the world.

In order to make sense of this Russian power struggle, and to understand its importance to the rest of us, it is necessary to understand the usually omitted Israeli subtext. When this is understood, the friendship of such pro-Israel Congressional leaders as Rep. Lantos to fugitive Russian oil tycoons begins to make sense.

To explore this background it is often useful to turn to the Israeli press. In July a major Israeli publication, the Jerusalem Post, carried an article headlined: "Boris Berezovsky: Putin's Russia dangerous for Israel." Before describing what this contained, let us first go into a little of the background.

The Oligarchs
Boris Berezovsky is one of seven "oligarchs," as they are known both inside and outside Russia: massively rich, powerful manipulators who through violence, theft and corruption acquired a mammoth percentage (reports range from 70 to 85 percent) of Russia's resources, from its oil to the auto industry to mass media outlets.

At the same time, the group steadily gained control over much of the country's political apparatus. Using extraordinary financial resources and insider dealing, the oligarchs handpicked prime ministers and governmental leaders and barely even bothered to do this behind the scenes.

In 1997 Yukos founder Mikhail Khodorkovsky, one of the group and Russia's sometimes richest man (several of the oligarchs trade the top spot back and forth) told an interviewer before he was arrested and imprisoned by Putin last year:
"If we rank all the fields of man's activity by profitability, politics will be the most lucrative business. When we see a critical situation in the government, we draw lots in order to pick out a person from our milieu for work in power."

[5]Almost all of these oligarchs, it turns out, have significant ties to Israel. In fact, Berezovsky himself has Israeli citizenship a fact that caused a scandal of Watergate proportions in Russia in 1996 when it was exposed by a Russian newspaper.

[6]Do Berezovsky's dual loyalties really matter? Yes. In the realm of global dominance, Israel's interests and Russia's are considerably divergent. It is in Israel's interests to bring to power a regime in Russia friendly to Israel, rather than the current one under Putin, which Israeli leaders feel is supportive of its enemies. Not long ago, for example, Putin met with Syrian leaders an action highly disturbing to Israel.
Having an Israeli citizen at the highest levels of the Russian government is ideal, from Israel's point of view. In Berezovsky they had such a man. The Jerusalem Post article mentioned above is revealing. It describes Berezovsky as "the Godfather of the Oligarchs' and Kingmaker of Russia's Politics'" and reports Berezovsky's statement that "Putin's Russia is dangerous for Israel." Berezovsky goes on to assert that Putin "supports terror" in the Middle East through Russia's previous relations with Iraq and current relations with Iran.

[7]While Israelis may have been delighted at Berezovsky's position in Russia, It is not surprising that Russian citizens were somewhat less so. Finding that a powerful leader and member of the Russian Security Council was an Israeli citizen was disconcerting, at best.
As a result of the media uproar over Berezovsky's Israeli citizenship and other events, the Oligarchs' connections to Israel are widely known in Russia and elsewhere. In Israel they are covered frequently, often with adulation, including a recent hit Israeli TV series called "The Oligarchs.""Some of its episodes," according to Israeli writer Uri Avnery, "are simply unbelievable or would have been, if they had not come straight from the horses' mouths: the heroes of the story, who gleefully boast about their despicable exploits. The series was produced by Israeli immigrants from Russia."
Avnery writes that the oligarchs used "cheating, bribery and murder," as they "exploited the disintegration of the Soviet system to loot the treasures of the state and to amass plunder amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars. In order to safeguard the perpetuation of their business, they took control of the state. Six out of the seven are Jєωs."

[8]According to a Washington Post story by David Hoffman, the group bought and controlled Russian governmental officials at the highest levels. After financing Yeltsin's election in 1996, Hoffman writes: "The tycoons met and decided to insert one of their own into government. They debated who and chose [Vladimir] Potanin, who became deputy prime minister. One reason they chose Potanin was that he is not Jєωιѕн, and most of the rest of them are, and feared a backlash against the Jєωιѕн bankers."

[9]In Russia, the oligarchs are deeply loathed, considered villains who worked to bleed the country dry; during their reign many Russian citizens saw their life savings disappear overnight. A new term was coined for their dominance, "semibankirshchina" (the rule of the seven bankers), and they were widely known to have wielded small, murderous armies. There are rumors that Berezovsky, subject of the respectful AP article, was even responsible for the gunning down of an American journalist, Forbes Moscow editor Paul Klebnikov.
While no one has been charged with the murder of Klebnikov, who had written a book on Berezovsky, many suspect a Berezovsky connection. As a friend of Klebnikov wrote: "Experienced expatriates in Russia shared an essential rule: Don't cross these brutal billionaires, ever, or you're likely to go home in a box."

rest of the article here:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/russia.html

antyshemanic · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2006, 03:32:23 PM »

Vandaler · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2006, 03:34:44 PM »

Quote from: CampeadorShin

Tell me again.

What was this spy saying? What secrets did he leak?

He did write a book - 4 years ago - pertaining to the bombing in 1999 of appartements buildings in Russia, wich lead to the Chechen war was in fact the work of the FSB. This is old, he was not assasinated for this, it makes no sense to re-ash this so long after the fact and in effect, shine the spot light on that long forgatten book.

If you want to find probable cause for the FSB, you need to look into who he was about to meet, and what information he was about to get in the present... Not in what he wrote in the past. All the information is allready provided in the links above.

The most intriguing aspect is the method used.

The combined effect of slow decaying death and the use of radioactive poison was almost certain to garnish huge media attention... This is by no means an accident and quite counter-intuative to orchestrate such scenario. This is the reason why I'm not so sure this is the action of the Russian Security Services.

This is one that needs to rest on the back burner while the investiguation runs it's course, more information is bound to come out.

antyshemanic · « **Reply #8 on:** November 27, 2006, 12:08:43 PM »

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23375729-details/'Murdered%20by%20the%20Kremlin'/article.do

Boris Berezovsky, the exiled former oligarch who employed Mr Litvinenko, was in no doubt about what killed the exspy. "He was poisoned," he said. Mr Litvinenko's friends and family accused the Kremlin of ordering his death.
But as Mr Litvinenko neared death, doctors nothing - including murder - to silence its enemies. Mr Litvinenko was on Mr Berezovsky's payroll, but he was only one man in the former oligarch's campaign.
Part of his strategy is to hit back with highpowered PR. He has recruited Lord Bell, the doyen of London's public relations executives, to help mount an opposition in exile. Lord Bell has introduced Mr Berezovsky into some of London's leading circles of influence. He has helped him get his message out, not least during the past week when Mr Litvinenko's fate seemed to prove Mr Berezovsky's case.
Indeed, Mr Berezovsky believes the Kremlin spin machine will suggest he was somehow involved in the murder. If it makes Mr Putin look bad, the reasoning goes, it makes Mr Berezovsky look good.
In this dark new combat, the Kremlin has its own PR batteries. The Russian government has signed a multi-million pound contract with the American PR firm, Ketchum. They are using two heavyweights in London: Tim Allen, a former Downing Street spin doctor, and Angus Roxburgh, a former BBC correspondent in Moscow.
The battle for Yukos, the giant oil company taken into state ownership by Mr Putin, was also fought here in London. Leonid Nevzlin, the dollar billionaire who worked with the jailed Yukos chief Mikhail Khodorkovsky, hired legions of PR people and investigators to try to stop the takeover and keep his friend out of prison.
At one stage, investigators tried to prove that Deutsche Bank was being pressured by the Kremlin to call in its loans to Yukos. One senior PR executive said: "Millions of pounds was spent behind the scenes."
The Kremlin won that battle, but Mr Nevzlin, who now lives in Israel, has not abandoned the fight. A leading London PR firm still holds an account for the company that owned Yukos.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378473781&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Jєωιѕн Russian-born oil tycoon Leonid Nevzlin expressed his "deepest condolences" Friday to the family of Alexander Litvinenko, the ex-Russian spy who died of an apparent poisoning at a London hospital, and seemed to implicate the Kremlin in his death.
"I knew the deceased personally," said Nevzlin. "Alexander had information on crimes committed with the Russian government's direct participation," he continued. "He only recently gave me and my attorneys docuмents that shed light on the most significant aspects of the Yukos affair."

Nevzlin is wanted in Russia on charges of having committed serious crimes such as arranging murders and committing acts of fraud and tax evasion. Nevzlin was a former head of the giant oil company Yukos, which was established in 1993 after the fall of communism and was responsible for 20 percent of Russia's oil output.
In 2004, the government charged the company with tax evasion. Its executives were either arrested, or, like Nevzlin, fled the country, several of them to Israel.

In March, a spokesman for Nevzlin accused the Russian state prosecution of using 'KGB methods' to politically persecute him by feeding official Russian government docuмents to an Israeli journalist, who is trying to have the multi-millionaire expelled from Israel and stripped of his Israeli citizenship.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #9 on:** November 27, 2006, 05:59:48 PM »

Why would an ex Russian spy lie to the world on his deathbed?

I doubt he would.

Did you guys hear? They can't do an autopsy because of the radiation.

Vandaler · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2006, 09:31:29 PM »

Pat Buchanan, though he knows nothing more then you and I weigh in. Though I don't agree with all of it, some of my thinking lately is well laid out in this article.

Is Putin Being Set Up?
By Patrick Buchanan

PARIS - Whoever poisoned Alexander Litvinenko had two goals: a long and lingering death for the KGB defector and pointing a finger of accusation for his killing right in the face of Vladimir Putin.

Which leads me to believe Putin had nothing to do with it.

In an assassination, one must ask: Cui bono? To whose benefit? Who would gain from the poisoning of Litvinenko?

Certainly not Putin. Litvinenko's death puts him, the Kremlin and the KGB, now the FSB, under suspicion of having reverted to the terror tactics of Stalin, who commissioned killers to liquidate enemies like Leon Trotsky, murdered in Mexico in 1940.

What benefit could Putin conceivably realize from the London killing of an enemy of his regime, who had just become a British citizen? Why would the Russian president, at the peak of his popularity, with his regime awash in oil revenue and himself playing a strong hand in world politics, risk a breach with every Western nation by ordering the public murder of a man who was more of a nuisance than a threat to his regime?

Litvinenko, after all, made his sensational charges against the Kremlin that the KGB blew up the Moscow apartment buildings, not Chechen terrorists, as a casus belli for a war on Chechnya and that he had refused a KGB order to αssαssιnαtҽ oligarch Boris Berezovsky in the late 1990s. Of late, Litvinenko has been regarded as a less and less credible figure, with his charges of KGB involvement in 9-11 and complicity in the Danish cartoons mocking Muhammad that ignited the Muslim firestorm.

Yet, listening to some Western pundits on the BBC and Fox News, one would think Putin himself poisoned Litvinenko. Who else, they ask, could have acquired polonium 210, the rare radioactive substance used to kill Litvinenko? Who else had the motive to eliminate the ex-agent who had dedicated his life to exposing the crimes of the Kremlin?

Indeed, no sooner had Litvinenko expired than his collaborator in anti-Putin politics, Alex Goldfarb, was in front of the television cameras reading Litvinenko's deathbed statement charging Putin with murder:

"You may succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr. Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life. ... You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price. You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed."

Litvinenko's statement is awfully coherent and eloquent for a man writhing in a death agony. But if he did not write it, who did? All of which leads me to conclude Putin is being set up, framed for a crime he did not commit. But then, if Putin did not order the killing, who did?

Who else could have acquired the polonium 210? Who else would kill Litvinenko to make Putin a pariah? These are the questions Scotland Yard, which also seems skeptical that Putin had a hand in this bizarre business, has begun to ask.

As the predictable effect of Litvinenko's death has been to put a cloud of suspicion over Putin and a chill over Russian relations with the West, one must ask: To whose benefit is the discrediting of Putin? Who would seek a renewal of the Cold War?

Certainly, the oligarchs and robber barons like Berezovsky many of them now dispossessed of the wealth they amassed in a collapsing Soviet Union, and all of whom have been run out of the country or imprisoned have the most powerful of motives. They hate Putin and seek to bring him down. And Goldfarb and Litvinenko both enjoyed the patronage of the billionaire Berezovsky.

Surely, rogue or retired KGB agents, passed over by Putin and bitter at Litvinenko, would have a motive: to send a message, written in polonium 210, that this is what happens to those who betray us and Mother Russia.

Scotland Yard has yet to declare this a murder case and is looking into the possibility of a "martyrdom operation" ѕυιcιdє dressed up like murder in which Litvinenko may have colluded. The Putin-dominated Russian press is pushing this line, as well as the idea of an oligarchs' plot to discredit Putin and destroy Russia's relations with the West.

Yet Litvinenko was still in his early 40s, with a wife and two children. While his agonizing public death would make him a celebrity even more famous than Georgi Markov, the Bulgarian anti-communist murdered in London in 1979 with a poison-tipped umbrella, Litvinenko would not be around to enjoy his fame.

America has a vital interest in this Scotland Yard investigation. What it discovers may tell us more about the character of the man into whose eyes George Bush claimed to have stared, and seen his soul, or it may tell us who the real enemies of this country are, who are out to restart the Cold War, and perhaps another hot one.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/11/is_putin_being_set_up.html

Vandaler · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2006, 09:45:49 PM »

Quote from: CampeadorShin

Why would an ex Russian spy lie to the world on his deathbed?

I doubt he would.

Did you guys hear? They can't do an autopsy because of the radiation.

Don't know... just want to point out that he could have been the most honest in what he said, and still be wrong on who did this to him. His honesty is not what is at stake.

If there is anything to be gained from the autopsy, I'm confident they'll figure out a way to perform it. This might be a case where the autospy is not worth the dangers... I mean, does anyone doubt what killed him ?

It's the who, when, how, why that matters... not the what.

antyshemanic · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2006, 09:57:55 PM »

Vandaler,

my thinking is about the same as yours on this topic, alot of 'shady' characters in this pot & its just gets deeper with stink the more you stir.

antyshemanic · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2006, 06:36:19 PM »

antyshemanic · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2006, 06:42:51 PM »

Berezovsky's Other
Friends - The Bush Family

By Wayne Madsen
11-29-6
Boris Berezovsky's other friend. While much attention is being paid by the corporate media on Russian-Israeli criminal chieftain Boris Berezovsky (aka Platon Elenin) and his dubious involvement with the recently murdered former Russian FSB and KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko, little attention is being paid to Berezovksy's other business partner -- Neil Bush, the brother of George W. Bush and Silverado Savings & Loan crook.

George W. Bush's visit to Riga was not the first by a Bush to the Latvian capital. Neil Bush met wanted Russian oligarch/gangster Boris Berezovsky in Riga in 2005.
Berezovsky is a major investor in Ignite! -- an educational software company. Berezovsky's co-investors include Barbara and George H. W. Bush -- Neil's parents -- Berezovsky's business partner Badri Patarkatsishvili, a former Georgian Communist Komsomol youth leader, chairman of the Georgian Olympic Committee, media mogul, and major investor in soccer clubs in Britain, Georgia, and Brazil; Kuwaiti financier Mohammed al Saddah; and Chinese computer tycoon Winston Wong. Patarkatsishvili is also wanted by Russian authorities but his Georgian citizenship and citizenship rights in Israel have prevented his extradition.

Suspiciously, other investors in Ignite! hail from one of the notorious homes of secret corporations -- the British Virgin Islands -- and the always questionable Dubai and Russian-Israeli Mafia- connected Ukraine.
Because of Neil Bush's frequent trips to the Philippines and Taiwan to appear at events (between romps with Asian prostitutes) with Unification Church head Sun Myung Moon, there are rumors that Moon is also a silent partner in Ignite!

Neil Bush has been a business partner of Berezovsky -- who is wanted for various crimes in Russia -- since at least 2003. Neil Bush and the wanted Russian fugitive met in September 2005 in Riga, Latvia (where Neil's brother met with NATO leaders recently and in a delusional state-of-mind yammered on about an "Al Qaeda" threat in Iraq and a booming economy (opium?) in Afghanistan. Neil was also seen in Berezovsky's private box at a British soccer match.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/