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Title: JPII
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on October 24, 2019, 11:58:48 AM
(putting in general as this does not pertain to the ongoing crisis in the church but rather old news)


I need a huge favor, if you could share any and all dirt on John Paul II it would be much appreciated.


Before you look down on me for something that sounds so petty, allow me a simple explanation. His good deeds and all the reasons why I should kiss his rear are well publicized and I have no trouble finding them. However it would seem that most people don't enjoy discussing his sins. For example there was something about a Buddhist statue being placed on an altar? Wikipedia mentioned close connections to a notorious pedo priest.


Quite a few of you don't believe the church has had a legitimate pope since V2 so you should have no issue if I question the legitimacy of a V2 Saint. To the rest of you, I have never heard of a saint being declared in a 10 year period, specifically someone who was completely unremarkable during his life in every way and even bad. The pedo scandals were grossly mishandled, he's praised for opposing communism, an ideology that hates religion so is naturally condemned by the religious. His legacy is the nightmare we call the modern Catholic Church. The only things I've ever heard that made me think maybe he isn't all bad (not saint worthy though) is reaffirming some really basic concepts like abortion is still murder (in case everyone forgot) or that people shouldn't have a two digit sɛҳuąƖ body count (SHOCKING!!!). The 'mass conversions' are not worth bothering with. Historically Catholic poland returned to Catholicism after their communist overlords up and died. Who could've seen that coming. It's not like a religious revival occurred in most of post soviet Europe after the USSR died. Oh wait it did. The cherry on top has to be all the 'catholics' running around these days spreading heartfelt messages of queer love and child murder. Like him or hate him this is his legacy. He was pope for a good long time, the modern church was forged under his guidance and I refuse to believe this living nightmare has earned anyone sainthood.


If theres an old thread you know about drop the title if you remember or even better the link. I'm absolutely positive you fine folks have already covered the topic ad nauseum so bear with me. If this comes off as a rant, it is. I'm tired folks. The kind of tired sleep wont fix.

God bless

Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Praeter on October 24, 2019, 12:13:56 PM
I need a huge favor, if you could share any and all dirt on John Paul II it would be much appreciated.


Before you look down on me for something that sounds so petty, allow me a simple explanation. His good deeds and all the reasons why I should kiss his rear are well publicized and I have no trouble finding them. However it would seem that most people don't enjoy discussing his sins. 
Why don't you post your real name and provide a list your sins, or the sins committed by your mother, so we can discuss them instead?   
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: forlorn on October 24, 2019, 12:15:59 PM
Why don't you post your real name and provide a list your sins, or the sins committed by your mother, so we can discuss them instead?  
He's basically just expressing his wish to play the Devil's Advocate role that the Church would have played in the old canonisation process. 
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on October 24, 2019, 12:21:40 PM
Why don't you post your real name and provide a list your sins, or the sins committed by your mother, so we can discuss them instead?   



Im afraid you wouldn't get much of a discussion from such a topic. I'm a simple man who has committed simple sins. I personally think it'd be much more interesting to discuss the sins of a man who was declared a saint under questionable circuмstances (in this humble sinners opinion) as I've pointed out in the original post. Tell you what though I'll start keeping a journal of all my sins and should I ever be put into a position where I am eligible for sainthood you can read that to your hearts content.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
Ignore Praeter.  He's just a Novus Ordo shill.

John Paul II was a religious indifferentist of the first order.  There's an old book out there called Peter, Lovest Thou Me? that catalogues much of this.

He also allowed and participated in many irreverent liturgical abominations.

At his core, he was a phenomenologist, another name of a subjectivist, or a relativist.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Praeter on October 24, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
He's basically just expressing his wish to play the Devil's Advocate role that the Church would have played in the old canonisation process.
The problem is that when we start gossiping (and that's what it is) about other people's sins, we almost always fall into sin ourselves.  The facts are sketchy, the circuмstances are even more so, and we have no idea what was taking place in the internal forum.  Moreover, our judgment is easily influenced by our passions, which causes us to judge in excess - and the excess in this case will be toward the worse.  Publicly discussing other people's sins is a bad idea, and will certainly be regretted on judgment day. 
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2019, 12:43:16 PM
The problem is that when we start gossiping (and that's what it is) about other people's sins, we almost always fall into sin ourselves.

He's talking about public crimes and scandals against the faith committed by Wojtyla ... not about anything in the internal forum.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Praeter on October 24, 2019, 12:44:47 PM
Ignore Praeter.  He's just a Novus Ordo shill.
Novus Ordo?  I've never been called that before.  But perhaps I can understand why a schismatic and heretic such as yourself might make that false judgment. 
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Praeter on October 24, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
He's talking about public crimes and scandals against the faith committed by Wojtyla ... not about anything in the internal forum.
He said he wanted to talk about the sins of John Paul II, which requires a judgment of the internal forum.  And you conveniently left out the other reason I listed for avoiding this kind of public gossip, which I realize is the food that you and your fellow schismatics and heretics live on.  Have you ever examined your conscience on this?  If your conscience is not completely seared (1 Tim 4:2), such an examination should provide plenty of matter for your next invalid confession.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on October 24, 2019, 01:05:01 PM
The problem is that when we start gossiping (and that's what it is) about other people's sins, we almost always fall into sin ourselves.  The facts are sketchy, the circuмstances are even more so, and we have no idea what was taking place in the internal forum.  Moreover, our judgment is easily influenced by our passions, which causes us to judge in excess - and the excess in this case will be toward the worse.  Publicly discussing other people's sins is a bad idea, and will certainly be regretted on judgment day.
Gossip is idle chatter about personal issues of others that is none of our business. The sins of a 'saint' and the question of their legitimacy is not gossip but an issue that pertains to all the faithful. I'm not asking about whether or not he wiped his rump, I'm curious about kissing Qurans, blaspheming alters with pagan statues, and associating with pedophiles. Would love to see where the catechism says you're not supposed to ask about this stuff, care to enlighten me?
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2019, 01:09:18 PM
He said he wanted to talk about the sins of John Paul II, which requires a judgment of the internal forum.

No, it doesn't.  Things can be objectively sinful.  If I find a married man sleeping with someone who is not his wife, then he's objectively committing a sin.  We know what he's talking about, but you're polluting and derailing this thread in an attempt to shill for the Novus Ordo.  PS -- it is you who is schismatic, not I.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on October 24, 2019, 01:10:47 PM
He said he wanted to talk about the sins of John Paul II, which requires a judgment of the internal forum.  And you conveniently left out the other reason I listed for avoiding this kind of public gossip, which I realize is the food that you and your fellow schismatics and heretics live on.  Have you ever examined your conscience on this?  If your conscience is not completely seared (1 Tim 4:2), such an examination should provide plenty of matter for your next invalid confession.
It's interesting. Earlier I asked someone in regards to JPII about the legitimacy of his sainthood and they did the same thing you are. Not answering the question but instead trying to turn it around by saying it's somehow sinful to analyze the life of a saint. Since early Christendom there have been many saints who discussed their own sins and personal struggles in depth, to help enlighten and guide their fellow Christians. However we're not supposed to question dear old JPII. Truly what harm could come from wanting to know about his scandals and struggles? Why are you afraid to discuss his failures? The only thing a sinner should truly be ashamed of is refusing to ask for forgiveness.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2019, 01:11:50 PM
Praeter, stop derailing this thread with stupidity.  Nobody's talking about presuming to judge someone in the internal forum ... simply to discuss material/objective sins.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Meg on October 24, 2019, 01:17:13 PM
I need a huge favor, if you could share any and all dirt on John Paul II it would be much appreciated.

You want any and all "dirt" on JP2; but that's not a very Catholic thing to ask. The way you phrase it makes it sound as if a tabloid journalist is trying to get dirt for an expose. It that what you're trying to do?

JP2 caused scandal, to be sure; and as such it would be more proper to ask about scandal that he caused, and how he went against the teachings of the Church, rather than "any and all dirt," though for some (especially the sedes and sedewhatevers) dirt and scandal probably amount to the same thing.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: LeDeg on October 24, 2019, 01:29:00 PM
Before converting to Catholicism, I was part of a very anti-Catholic religion. We would use the photos and videos of Assisi in 1986 in challenging Catholics with the question of how in the world they could say with a straight face that this was an acceptable action of the supposed Vicar of Christ? Even we knew that this was apostasy.


The excuse making was sad to see.


The comments made by some on this thread to defend JPII are so pathetic it defies belief, but is typical. Everything that St. Pius X condemned in his writings against Modernism could be observed in JPII's public actions. One of the two had to be in error. I wager that it was the latter. 

Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Pax Vobis on October 24, 2019, 01:45:29 PM
NovusOrdoWatch.com and Traditio.com have been docuмenting the V2 popes' heresies for decades.  Plenty of picture/quote evidence there.  "Tradition in Action" also has some articles on this topic. 
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on October 24, 2019, 02:48:31 PM
NovusOrdoWatch.com and Traditio.com have been docuмenting the V2 popes' heresies for decades.  Plenty of picture/quote evidence there.  "Tradition in Action" also has some articles on this topic.
Thank you. NorvusOrdo watch had over a dozen wonderful links regarding the guy. Makes me think that they sainted him so quickly because the love of him wouldn't last 100 years. Had to force it through before the average bear stopped caring and the not so average bears started tearing him a new one. 
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Praeter on October 24, 2019, 02:54:41 PM
You want any and all "dirt" on JP2; but that's not a very Catholic thing to ask. The way you phrase it makes it sound as if a tabloid journalist is trying to get dirt for an expose. It that what you're trying to do?

JP2 caused scandal, to be sure; and as such it would be more proper to ask about scandal that he caused, and how he went against the teachings of the Church, rather than "any and all dirt," though for some (especially the sedes and sedewhatevers) dirt and scandal probably amount to the same thing.
   :applause:
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Nishant Xavier on October 24, 2019, 03:05:33 PM
Pope John Paul II made some mistakes, and both +ABL and +BF respectfully criticized those. He also did some good things, which both +ABL and +BF have appreciated. Here is some "dirt" which you may not like, but it is all about missionary works and salvation of souls, the Eucharist, catechesis etc. The Catholic Church is not by any means totally dead yet, as some of you seem to wish.

"How John Paul II Transformed Mother Teresa’s Sisters
Many are aware of Mother Teresa’s beginning her order after receiving her “call within a call.” But few are aware of this later call, given through St. John Paul II, to deepen their mission.
Laura Dittus (http://www.ncregister.com/blog/lauradittus)
On the feast of St. Teresa of Calcutta this year I came across “The Spirituality of Mother Teresa (http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Saints/Saints_023.htm),” written by Fr. John Hardon on the occasion of the first anniversary of her death. In this piece, Fr. Hardon, an American Jesuit and now a Servant of God, highlights a number of characteristics of Mother Teresa’s spirituality and also, in the same reflection, reveals a particular way in which St. John Paul II changed the Missionaries of Charity, the religious community that she founded.
In Fr. Hardon’s reflection, there are seven characteristics of Mother’s spirituality that he points out and then elaborates upon. While the piece is worth reading in its entirety, the seven characteristics themselves bear light on the beauty of Mother Teresa’s spiritual life and include such aspects as “Deep Faith in the Real Presence,” “Deep Apostolic Love for the Poor,” “Spirit of Prayer,” and “Zeal for the True Faith.” In this article, I will focus on the last of the points as named here, “Zeal for the True Faith.”

“Zeal for the True Faith” and Missionaries of Souls
In Fr. Hardon’s description of this characteristic in the life and spirituality of Mother Teresa – “Zeal for the True Faith,” one finds an aspect of the history of the Missionaries of Charity that many are unfamiliar with. This historical moment, however, bears light on how important it is not just to care for the materially poor but also the spiritually poor, a need still very present in modern life, and even in the Church, today. Fr. Hardon begins his description of how St. John Paul II changed the Constitutions of the Missionaries of Charity in this way:
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Quote After some thirty-five years of serving the poorest of the poor, Mother Teresa was called to Rome by Pope John Paul II. He told her how deeply he appreciated what she was doing worldwide to relieve the poverty of so many people. But then he told her, “I would like to change your Constitutions. I want the Missionaries of Charity to become missionaries not only of poor bodies but also of poor souls.”

Many are aware of Mother Teresa’s beginning the Missionaries of Charity after receiving an inspiration from the Lord, often referred to as a “call within a call.” But few are aware of this later call, given through St. John Paul II, to deepen their mission.

“Train them!”

Fr. Hardon continues his description of this encounter between St. Teresa of Calcutta and St. John Paul II in these words:
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Quote The Holy Father then told her to start catechizing and evangelizing. When Mother told the Pope that her Sisters were not trained for this apostolate, he told her, “train them!”

What one finds in this encounter is amazing. Here Pope John Paul II gives Mother Teresa a particular call for her already established religious community, to care for not only the materially impoverished but also the spiritually impoverished, and to provide for the Sisters that they might carry out this work, which Mother Teresa saw that they were not yet equipped to do.
One sees here how the Lord can take the poverty, even in the training of a particular religious community, and use it for his glory. Through providing for the training of the Missionaries of Charity, the work of catechesis and evangelization of the spiritually poor would later be carried out. Hardon, himself a renowned theologian, would, through his own call from the Vatican assist the Sisters in, as he calls it, “training them for their new apostolate.” Fr. Hardon also relates that this moment in the history of the Missionaries of Charity brought a great effect:
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Quote Words cannot describe the impact which this had on the Missionaries of Charity. They have been phenomenally zealous and effective in teaching the true faith. Located in over one hundred countries throughout the world, I can honestly say they are now the largest missionary order in the world. But now, the word “missionary” has come to mean teaching the faith which God became man to reveal to the world.

The Missionaries of Charity, who had already been serving Christ in the poorest of the poor, now took on a “new apostolate,” without abandoning their initial work and this response to the new “call within a call” has borne great fruit."

From: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/lauradittus/how-john-paul-ii-transformed-mother-teresas-sisters (http://www.ncregister.com/blog/lauradittus/how-john-paul-ii-transformed-mother-teresas-sisters)
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Pax Vobis on October 24, 2019, 03:16:11 PM
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Pope John Paul II made some mistakes
JPII openly promoted inter-religious worship, which is one of the greatest blasphemies one can commit against Almighty God.  His Assisi conference was akin to the Tower of Babel goal.  He did all this openly, publically and scandalously.  How many souls did he lead to hell because of this?  And he never abjured this heresy, nor did he apologize for this sacrilegious event.  He's similar to St Peter, who denied Our Lord 3x times.  Yet St Peter sought forgiveness and was sorrowful for his betrayal.  JPII never repented.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Praeter on October 24, 2019, 03:35:24 PM
The comments made by some on this thread to defend JPII are so pathetic it defies belief, but is typical. Everything that St. Pius X condemned in his writings against Modernism could be observed in JPII's public actions. One of the two had to be in error. I wager that it was the latter.

Just to clarify, my intent was not to defend John Paul II or prevent problematic aspects of his papacy from being discussed.  My intent was simply to point that if you start looking for dirt on someone and gossiping about it publicly, you are almost certainly going to fall into sin.

That being said, here are a few issues with JP II's papacy that are worth looking into.
During a General audience, he taught that the phrase from the Apostles Creed, "he descended into hell," means Christ was buried in the tomb.


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John Paul II, General Audience January 1989: "As is evident from the texts quoted, the article of the Apostles' Creed, "he descended into hell", is based on the New Testament statements <on the descent of Christ>, after his death on the Cross, into the "region of death", into the a abode of the dead", which in Old Testament language was called the "abyss". If the Letter to the Ephesians speaks of "the lower parts of the earth", it is because the earth receives the human body after death, and so it received also the body of Christ who expired on Calvary, as described by the Evangelists (cf. Mt 27:59 f, and parallel passages; In 19:40-42). <Christ passed through> a real <experience of death>, including the final moment which is generally a part of the whole process: <he was placed in the tomb.>
 
It is a confirmation that this was a real, and not merely an apparent, death. His soul, separated from the body, was glorified in God, but his body lay in the tomb as a <corpse.>
 
During the three (incomplete) days between the moment when he "expired" (cf. Mk 15:37) and the resurrection, Jesus experienced the a state of death", that is, the <separation of body and soul>, as in the case of all people. This is the primary meaning of the words "he descended into hell"; they are linked to what Jesus himself had foretold when, in reference to the story of Jonah. he had said: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so <will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth>" (Mt 12:40)." https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/he-descended-into-hell-8679 (https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/he-descended-into-hell-8679)

That of course is entirely false.  Descended into hell means his soul descended into the Limbo of the Fathers, which is part of hell. Here is what the Catechism of the Council of Trent teaches:


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Catechism of the Council of Trent:  

First Part of this Article: "He Descended into Hell"


In the first part of this Article, then, we profess that immediately after the death of Christ His soul descended into hell, and dwelt there as long as His body remained in the tomb; and also that the one Person of Christ was at the same time in hell and in the sepulchre. Nor should this excite surprise; for, as we have already frequently said, although His soul was separated from His body, His Divinity was never parted from either His soul or His body.
 
"Hell"

As the pastor, by explaining the meaning of the word hell in this place may throw considerable light on the exposition of this Article, it is to be observed that by the word hell is not here meant the sepulchre, as some have not less impiously than ignorantly imagined; for in the preceding Article we learned that Christ the Lord was buried, and there was no reason why the Apostles, in delivering an Article of faith, should repeat the same thing in other and more obscure terms.
 
Hell, then, here signifies those secret abodes in which are detained the souls that have not obtained the happiness of heaven. In this sense the word is frequently used in Scripture. Thus the Apostle says: At the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and in hell; and in the Acts of the Apostles St. Peter says that Christ the Lord is again risen, having loosed the sorrows of hell.

I would also point to the Nestorian "Mass" that contained the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, which John Paul II said was valid (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/docuмents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20011025_chiesa-caldea-assira_en.html), in spite of the fact that there are no words of consecration.  
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Nadir on October 24, 2019, 04:10:24 PM
https://akacatholic.com/let-us-feast-remembering-karol-via-jorge/ (https://akacatholic.com/let-us-feast-remembering-karol-via-jorge/)
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Mark 79 on October 24, 2019, 04:39:22 PM


Im afraid you wouldn't get much of a discussion from such a topic. I'm a simple man who has committed simple sins. I personally think it'd be much more interesting to discuss the sins of a man who was declared a saint under questionable circuмstances (in this humble sinners opinion) as I've pointed out in the original post. Tell you what though I'll start keeping a journal of all my sins and should I ever be put into a position where I am eligible for sainthood you can read that to your hearts content.
Bravo!
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: 2Vermont on October 24, 2019, 04:52:50 PM
Pax, it's been a while.  

While Saint Peter certainly denied our Lord, Saint Robert Bellarmine says that he did not "throw off the confession of faith...", unlike the heretic John Paul II.  
Also important in that Bellarmine quote is that Peter was not yet pope when he denied Christ.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Mark 79 on October 24, 2019, 04:58:38 PM
The problem is that when we start gossiping (and that's what it is) about other people's sins, we almost always fall into sin ourselves.  The facts are sketchy, the circuмstances are even more so, and we have no idea what was taking place in the internal forum.  Moreover, our judgment is easily influenced by our passions, which causes us to judge in excess - and the excess in this case will be toward the worse.  Publicly discussing other people's sins is a bad idea, and will certainly be regretted on judgment day.
Rubbish.
When someone is raised to the altar, they are presented as a heroic example.
That is why Wojtyla the Second Worst needed to bypass the traditional careful examination based on the "Devil's Advocate" and why his one "miracle" was a cancer patient who improved after standard chemotherapy. Big whoop.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Mark 79 on October 24, 2019, 05:11:54 PM
A letter sent to him when he was still Wojtyla the Worst (pre-Jorge):


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Evidently hovering at the instant of your personal judgment before Christ the King the Faithful Remnant can only pray that you are in the most excruciating agony of conscience so that you repent and make reparation for your devastation of Holy Mother Church. In your punishingly long pontificate you have made most of Holy Mother Church into another defecting ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, converts of the Pharisees, “children of hell two-fold more than the Pharisees themselves.”

Indeed you have attained the perfection of your youthful worldly goals. You have become the supreme actor with an idolizing cult of personality and you have become a prolific playwright, but one who composes circuмlocutive ambiguities made tragic buffooneries by the perverts and neo-Pharisees you appoint to red hats and miters.

While the queer and schismatic Americans and Europeans ceaselessly mock God, you make yourself a papal ostrich with head buried in your geopolitics and personalist secularisms, never to raise your head to discipline —except to punish the Athanasius of our times. Per singulos dies you made more true St. Basil’s observation: “Only one offense is now vigorously punished, —an accurate observance of our fathers’ traditions. For this cause the pious are driven from their countries, and transported into deserts.”

You have apologized for falsified history; so honored heresy, schism, paganism, and Pharisaism that you have eternally doomed numberless adherents; protected perversion and promoted perverts; presided over the further Protestantization and blasphemization of the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary; administered a geopolitical saint factory; so abrogated your duty to speak Truth, catechize in clarity, and discipline justly that you may be an accomplice in every sin; and you blaspheme your protectress, Our Lady of Fatima, by desecrating her shrine with paganism, indifferentism, and syncretism, propagating a false Third Secret, and failing to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart precisely as she requested, explicitly naming Russia with all the bishops at the same time.

In short, Holy Father, you make the Jews only a type and the New Israel the fulfillment of Isaiah 5:20.  I can find no worse Pope in history; not Liberius, not Honorius. The Faithful Remnant can only hope that the Holy Spirit strengthens you to publicly repent and make reparation —giving primacy to the traditional Mass and the traditional orders, reinstituting the Oath Against Modernism, anathematizing heretics and disciplining perverts, releasing the full and truthful text of the Third Secret, and consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary precisely as Our Lady of Fatima requested. You have two apologies remaining —to God and to His Faithful.

May Christ the King flood you with grace and may He have mercy on you.

Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Mark 79 on October 24, 2019, 05:18:52 PM
Another letter to the monster:


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St. Catherine of Siena, Letter to Pope Gregory XI: “Alas, Most Holy Father!
At times, obedience to you leads to eternal damnation.”


…Could the Hindu desecration of Fatima be a just punishment for Your
Holiness receiving the mark of Shiva, a sign of worship of a HIndu
false god?

There was a time when Catholic martyrs suffered myriad horrible
deaths rather than offer even a pinch of incense to false gods.
What has happened to the Church, Churchmen, and Faithful
that Your Holiness regularly honors false religions?

Having been condemned September 27, 235 A.D in metallum
(to the mines) for his Catholic Faith, Pope St. Pontian was force-marched from the
port, Othoca, to the Sardinian lead mines. His left eye was gouged out with a dagger
and the socket cauterized with molten iron. The joints of his left foot were burned
to cause painful scarification thereby impairing walking. A nerve… was severed by
stabbing behind his right knee to cause a “foot drop,” further
impairing walking. He was branded on the forehead. Iron rings were soldered around
his ankles then, manacled, his ankles were tethered by a heavy chain to a painfully
constricting iron ring around his waist so short that he could only stoop, never to stand
straight again. After being burned, stabbed, chained and branded, he was scourged
sixty lashes against a stone obelisk, then immediately sent with pick and shovel into
the choking poisonous dust of the lead mines to work twenty of every twenty-four hours,
subsisting (between beatings) on one meal of coarse bread and water daily – until late in
January 236 A.D. when he was martyred.

Catholic martyrs have been flayed, grilled on a gridiron, burned, boiled, beaten, devoured, gored, racked, stoned,
crushed, drowned, asphyxiated, garroted, hanged, axed, guillotined, impaled, stabbed, flogged, eviscerated, torn,
quartered, pummeled, poisoned, gassed, shot, buried, frozen, starved, and worked to death because of our authentic Catholic Faith.

What has happened that the blood of the martyrs runs so thin in you, Holy Father, and in the
monstrously apostate prelates you have honored and inflicted upon us? Why is Your Holiness not
like Pope St, Pontian I ?

Galatians 2:11 “But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he
was to be blamed.”

Title: Re: JPII
Post by: LeDeg on October 24, 2019, 06:07:19 PM
“Every quest of the human spirit for truth and goodness, and in the last analysis for God, is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The various religions arose from this primordial human openness to God. At their origins we often find founders who, with the help of God’s Spirit, achieved a deeper religious experience. Handed on to others, this experience took form in the doctrines, rites and precepts of the various religions. […] Normally, it will be in the sincere practice of what is good in their own religious traditions and by following the dictates of their own conscience that the members of other religions respond positively to God’s invitation and receive salvation in Jesus Christ, even while they do not recognize or acknowledge him as their Savior.”

 


John Paul II

General Audience of Wednesday 9 September 1998
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2019, 06:32:02 PM
Another letter to the monster:

Well, the only objection I have to this letter is in addressing it to the "Holy Father".  As my father used to say, "he is neither holy, nor a father."
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2019, 06:40:38 PM
In a very real way, Wojtyla was far worse than Bergoglio.  Wojtyla disguised his heretical religious indifferentism (the worst sins against the FIRST Commandment) under a veneer of piety.  He was, after all, a trained actor.  He also held a relatively solid conservative line on most moral issues.  Consequently, this fooled people into considering him orthodox, and therefore falsely accepting his religious indifferentism as orthodox.  On the other hand, very few conservative Catholics take Bergoglio seriously.

People have been desensitized to the horror of violating the First Commandment; it would have been less of a crime had Wojtyla gone around raping altar boys.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2019, 06:44:56 PM
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Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2019, 07:04:50 PM
Pope John Paul II made some mistakes, and both +ABL and +BF respectfully criticized those.

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Bisig said the unjust suppression of the flourishing seminary, which had 120 seminarians by 1977, and Pope Paul VI’s subsequent suspension led to a change in Lefebvre’s attitude towards Rome, and his language became increasingly “polemical.” Lefebvre began to entertain sedevacantism, the idea that Paul VI was not the real pope, and thus the Chair of Peter was vacant, Bisig said. But the archbishop kept this opinion largely out of the public realm because most priests in the SSPX would have been scandalized.
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Post by: donkath on October 25, 2019, 01:10:15 AM


This is what Fr. Wathen has to say :  The Conciliar Popes (https://www.cor-mariae.com/ConciliarPopes.pdf)
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Post by: harris on October 25, 2019, 09:41:49 PM
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John Paul II taught universal salvation, that all men will be saved
 
The only difficulty in discussing the heresies of John Paul II is deciding where to begin. His heresies are so numerous that one is almost overwhelmed with the decision of where to start. A good place to begin is his consistent teaching of universal salvation. The idea that all men are saved is contrary to the clear words of the Gospel and numerous Catholic dogmas, especially the dogmas that Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and that all who die in original sin or mortal sin cannot be saved.
 
Pope Gregory X, 2nd Council of Lyons, 1274, ex cathedra:
"The souls of those who die in mortal sin or with original sin only… immediately descend into Hell, yet to be punished with different punishments."
 
However, John Paul II held and taught that in the Incarnation, the Son of God united Himself with every man in an unbreakable union, which made it impossible according to him, for anyone to go to Hell.  John Paul II explicitly taught that this union between Christ and each man lasts forever.
 

 
John Paul II, Redemptor Hominis (#13), March 4, 1979:
"We are dealing with each man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery."
 
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (#4), December 7, 1990:
"The Redemption even brings salvation to all, 'for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.'"
 
John Paul II, Centesimus Annus (#53): "We are not dealing here with man in the 'abstract,' but with the real, 'concrete.' 'historical' man. We are dealing with each individual, since each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and through this mystery Christ has united himself with each one forever."
 
Notice the word "forever" in all three of these quotations.  Yes, in three different encyclicals, John Paul II bluntly asserts that every man is united with Christ forever.  This means that all men are saved.  Hell is eternal separation from God, but no one is ever separated from God according to John Paul II.  Everyone is united with God forever.  This is universal salvation.
 
There are many other quotations we could bring forward to prove that John Paul II taught that all men are saved.  For example, in 1985, John Paul II explained how the redemptive Blood of Christ is not merely available to all (which is true), but that it actually reaches all and saves all.
 
John Paul II, Homily, June 6, 1985:
"The Eucharist is the sacrament of the covenant of the Body and Blood of Christ, of the covenant which is eternal.  This is the covenant which embraces all.  This Blood reaches all and saves all.
 
In contrast with this, the dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church affirms that the Blood of Christ does not reach all or save all.
 
Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Sess. 6, ex cathedra:
"But although Christ died for all, yet not all receive the benefit of His death, but those only to whom the merit of His Passion is communicated."
 
Only those who are freed from original sin by Baptism, and united to Him through the sacraments and the true faith, receive the benefit of Christ's death.
 
John Paul II, Homily, April 27, 1980:
Jesus makes us, in Himself, once more sons of His Eternal Father.  He obtains, once and for all, the salvation of man: of each man and of all…"
 
John Paul II, General Audience, Dec. 27, 1978:
"Jesus is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity become a man; and therefore in Jesus, human nature and therefore the whole of humanity, is redeemed, saved, ennobled to the extent of participating in 'Divine life' by means of Grace."
 
Here John Paul II explains that the whole of humanity has been saved and is participating in the Divine life.  The phrase "participating in the Divine life" refers to the state of justification or the state of sanctifying Grace. By saying that all humanity participates in the Divine life, John Paul II is saying that all of humanity is in the state of Grace! This means that no one is in mortal sin or original sin.
 
With a doctrine such as his, who wouldn't be loved by the world?  John Paul II appealed to and was loved by the masses, because he accepted everyone's religion and taught that everyone is united with Christ no matter what they believed or did.  This religious indifferentism characterized his anti-pontificate.
 
John Paul II taught that the Holy Ghost is responsible for non-Christian Religions.  Besides his incredible doctrine of universal salvation and universal justification, there are many other heresies from John Paul II for us to examine.  Of particular note is his teaching on the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Holy Ghost.  What John Paul II taught about the Holy Ghost was so blasphemous and heretical that it was arguably his worst heresy.
 
John Paul II, Redemptor Hominis (#6), March 4, 1979:
"Does it not sometimes happen that the firm belief of the followers of the non-Christian religionsa belief that is also an effect of the Spirit of truth operating outside the visible confines of the Mystical Body…"
 
John Paul II says that the firm belief of the followers of non-Christian religions proceeds from the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. Since we know from Sacred Scripture and Catholic teaching that Satan is the author of all non-Christian religions, what is being stated here by John Paul II is that the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, is actually the Spirit of lies: Satan.  This is an unbelievable blasphemy against God. Scripture and Tradition teach us that non-Christian religions belong to the devil, and the 'gods" they worship are actually demons.
Psalm 95:5 – "For all the God of the Gentiles are devils…"
 
1 Corinthians 10:20 – "But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God.  And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils."
 
Since John Paul II taught that belief in these religions is a result of the Spirit of Truth, that is why he repeatedly praised, promoted and even prayed with the members and leaders of non-Christian religions.
 
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (#29), Dec. 7, 1990:
"The Church's relationship with other religions is dictated by a twofold respect: 'Respect for man in his quest for answers to the deepest questions of his life, and respect for the action of the Spirit in man."'
 
Here John Paul II says that respect for non-Christian religions is dictated by respect for the action of the Spirit in man.  This clearly means that the Spirit is responsible for these non-Christian religions, which again means that the Holy Spirit is to be understood as the Spirit of lies: Satan.
 
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (#56), Dec 7, 1990:
"Other religions constitute a positive challenge for the Church: they stimulate her both to discover and acknowledge the signs of Christ's presence and of the working of the Spirit."
 
John Paul II states that other religions stimulate us to discover the presence and the working of the Spirit.  This means that non-Christian religions are a work of the Spirit – the Holy Spirit – which again equates the Spirit of Truth with the Spirit of lies: Satan.
 

John Paul II taught and practiced complete Religious Indifferentism
 
Pope Pius IX, Qui Pluribus (#15), Nov. 9, 1846:
"Also perverse is that shocking theory that it makes no difference to which religion one belongs to, a theory greatly at variance even with reason.  By manes of this theory, those crafty men remove all distinction between virtue and vice, truth and error, honorable and vile action.  They pretend that men can gain eternal salvation by the practice of any religion, as if there could ever be any sharing between justice and iniquity, any collaboration between light and darkness, or any agreement between Christ and Belial."
 
John Paul II's religious indifferentism was perhaps the most common characteristic of his volumes of writings and speeches.  He constantly praised and esteemed non-Christian religions, thereby denying the Most Holy Trinity and the necessity of believing in the one true Catholic religion, while making a mockery of the deaths of the martyrs.
 
John Paul II, Address at Airport in Korea, May 3, 1984:
"Yours is a proud and sturdy people… bearing splendid fruits in art, religion, and human living.  Your ancestors embraced such overwhelming spiritual worlds as Confucianism and Buddhism, yet made them truly their own, enhanced them, lived them and even transmitted them to others. Wonlryo and Sosan… eleoquently express this feat."
 
The word "feat" means an extraordinary act.  So John Paul II says that the false religions of Buddhism and Confucianism are splendid fruits in religion, and that it was an extraordinary act that the Koreans transmitted these religions of Satan to others!
 
Pope Gregory XVI, Probe Nostis (#6), Sept. 18, 1840:
"We are thankful for the success of apostolic missions in America, the Indies, and other faithless lands… They search out those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death to summon them to the light and life of the Catholic religion… At length they snatch them from the Devil's rule, by the bath of regeneration and promote them to the freedom of God's adopted sons."
 

John Paul II at the Buddhist Temple
 
In his second Asian journey in 1984, John Paul II visited the Buddhist Temple.  Before reaching the Temple, he expressed how anxious he was to meet "His Holiness, the supreme Buddhist Patriarch in the Temple." A few days before going to the Buddhist Temple, John Paul II also said:
 
John Paul II, May 6, 1984:
"…the world looks to Korea with particular interest.  For the Korean people throughout history have south, in the great ethical and religious visions of Buddhism and Confucianism, the path to renewal of self… May I address a particular greeting to the members of the Buddhist tradition as they prepare to celebrate the festivity of the Coming of the Lord Buddha? May your rejoicing be complete and your joy fulfilled."
 
John Paul II then went into the temple of idolatry and bowed to the Buddhist Patriarch who stood in front of a gigantic statue of Buddha.  This constitutes an act of apostasy.
 

 
 
John Paul II, General Audience, Jan. 11, 1995:
"I gladly take this occasion to assure those who follow the Buddhist religion of my deep respect and sincere esteem."
 
Pope Leo XIII, Dec. 8, 1892:
"Everyone should avoid familiarity or friendship with anyone suspected of belonging to masonry or to affiliated groups.  Know them by their fruits and avoid them.  Every familiarity should be avoided, not only with those impious libertines who openly promote the character of the sect, but also with those who hide under the mask of universal tolerance, respect for all religions…"
 
John Paul II, Homily, April 12, 1997:
"…the Church, which seeks only to be able to freely to preach… with respect for… every religion."
 

 
John Paul Ii received the mark of the adorers of Shiva and venerated the Hindu Gandhi
 
On Feb. 2, 1986, John Paul II received on his forehead the Tilac or Tika, the red powdery paste of the Hindus, the sign of recognition of the adorers of Shiva. This is total idolatry and apostasy.
 

John Paul II venerated the Hindu Gandhi
 
In March of 1986, John Paul II went to New Delhi, India, the place where the Hindu Mahatma Gandhi was incinerated.  Mahatma Gandhi was a pagan and an idolater who worshipped false gods.
 
John Paul II took off his shoes before Gandhi's monument and stated:
"Today as a pilgrim of peace, I have come here to pay homage to Mahatma Gandhi, hero of humanity."
 
An idolater and pagan was a "hero of humanity," according to John Paul II.
 
As we see here, John Paul Ii also threw flowers on gandhi's tomb to honor and commemorate this pagan.  St. Thomas Aquinas explains that just as there are heretical statements, there are heretical and apostate actions.
 
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. I-II, Q. 103, A. 4:
"All ceremonies are professions of faith, in which the interior worship of God consists. Now man can make profession of his inward faith, by deeds as well as by words: and in either profession, if he make a false declaration, he sins mortally."
 
St. Thomas gives us an example:
 
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. II-II, Q. 12. A. 1, Obj. 2:
"…if anyone were to… worship at the tomb of Mahomet, he would be deemed an apostate."22 One can manifest his apostasy by words or by deeds.  By what he did, in addition to what he said, John Paul II manifested the equivalent of worshipping at the tomb of Mahomet. He venerated a Hindu.
 
John Paul II's Apostasy in Assisi

 
On Oct. 27, 1986, John Paul II invited the major leaders of all the false religions of the world to come to Assisi, Italy for a World Day of Prayer for Peace.  John Paul II prayed with other 100 different religious leaders of various false religions, thereby repudiating the teaching of Scripture and the 2000-year teaching of the Catholic Church which outlaws such prayer with false religions. The entire day of prayer with pagans, infidels and heretics was John Paul II's idea.  During this meeting the Dalai Lama placed a Buddhist statue on the tabernacle in the Church of St. Francis.
 
Among the various false religious leaders at Assisi there were rabbis, Islamic muftis, Buddhist monks, Shintoists, assorted Protestant ministers, Animists, Jainists and others.
 
During the meeting, a member of each false religion came forward and offered a prayer for peace – blasphemous prayers, for instance, as the Hindu prayer said: "Peace be on all god's."  (The Animist leader prayed to the "Great Thumb.")  But their gods are devils, as we saw above, so peace was being prayed for all the devils (who created these false religions) at the Vatican-sponsored World Day of Prayer for Peace! The Vatican II religion wants you to be in communion with devils.
 
In 1928 Pope Pius XI authoritatively condemned this inter-reigious activity and denounced it as apostasy from the true Faith.
 
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (#2), Jan 6, 1928:
"For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little. turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.
 
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (#10), Jan 6, 1928:
"So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics…"
 
John Paul II, Angelus Address, Oct. 12, 1986:
"In a few days we shall go to Assisi, representatives of the Catholic Church, of other Christian churches and ecclesial communities, and of the great religions of the world… I issued this invitation to 'believers of all religions.'”
 
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (#55), Dec. 7, 1990:
"God… does not fail to make himself present in many ways, not only to individuals but also to entire peoples through their spiritual riches, of which their religions are the main and essential expression…"
 
Here again we find a clear expression of John Paul II's apostasy.  He says that God makes Himself present through the spiritual riches of peoples, of which their religions are the main expression. This means that God makes Himself present to peoples through non-Christian religions, which means that non-Christian religions are true and inspired by God.
 
Pope Pius VIII, May 24, 1829:
"Against these experienced sophists the people must be taught that the profession of the Catholic faith is uniquely true, as the Apostle proclaims: One Lord, one faith, one baptism."
 
John Paul II, Address, May 22, 2002:
"Praise to you, followers of Islam… Praise to you, Jєωιѕн people… Praise especially to you, Orthodox Church…"
 
Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (#13), Aug. 15, 1832:
"They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that 'those who are not with Christ are against Him,' and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore 'without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate.'"
 
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (#10), Dec. 7, 1990:
"The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the Church."
 
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, dogmatic Athanasian Creed, 1439:
"Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity… But it is necessary for eternal salvation that he faithfully believe also in the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ…"



John Paul II's other ecuмenical meetings
 
John Paul II continued with his wild program of apostasy, totally condemned by the teaching of the Catholic Church, after the Assisi event.  John Paul II sponsored pagan prayer meetings at Kyoto (1987), Rome (1988), Warsaw (1989), Bari (1990), and Malta (1991), as well as numerous meetings after 1991.
 

John Paul II being "Blessed" in a pagan ritual by an Indian Shaman in 1987.  There was the outrageous pagan prayer meeting in 1999, which was officially dubbed "The Pan- Christan Encounter," at which a large gathering of false religions came to the Vatican at the request of John Paul II (more on this in a bit).
 
John Paul II prayed with African Animists
 

On August 8, 1985, John Paul II prayed with African Animists (witch doctors)
 
John Paul II recalled the meeting:
"Particularly noteworthy was the prayer meeting at the sanctuary of Our Lady of Mercy at Lake Togo where, for the first time, I also prayed with a group of Animists."
 
It has been stated that while in Togo he actually paid homage to the sacred snakes.  In Cotonou, African on Feb. 4, 1993, chanting girls treated John Paul II to a "trance inducing" voodoo dance.
 
John Paul II has also taken part in many events, both in Rome and abroad, where a native pagan ritual is included.  These rituals spring from cultures which are entirely demonic and satanic in every aspect of their organized religious practices, yet were included in many of John Paul II's liturgical events.
 

John Paul II's "Mass" in 2002 in Mexico City, which incorporated the customs of the demonic Aztec culture.
 
Aztec Indians danced before the altar wearing headdresses and breastplates and some left their midriff's exposed. As they performed, the snake-like hiss of rattles and the beating of tom-toms could be heard.  John Paul II himself was actually the recipient of a pagan "purification" ritual which a woman performed.
 

The "Pan-Christian" Encourter;
John Paul II's Apostate Prayer meeting in 1999 

Pictured on your right is John Paul II, surrounded by an assorted group of pagans and idolaters, including one half-dressed, on Nov 7, 1999 – at another one of his countless apostate inter-religious prayer meetings.  Notice the masked pagan just behind John Paul II on our left and his right.  John Paul Ii praised them and esteemed them for their false religions of the Devil.  This is nothing other than general occultism.
 
This meeting was called the "Pan-Christian Encourter."  This is interesting considering that, in his encyclical Mortalium Animos, Pope Pius XI described the heretics who promoted religious indifferentism as "These Pan-Christians…"
 
Some of the things that occurred during John Paul II's October 1999 pan-religious meeting included: an American Indian pivoting in the center of St. Peter's Square at sunset "blessing the four corners of the Earth," and Muslims who had spread out newspaper at the Vatican kneeling toward Mecca and praying.
 
Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 9, May 5, 1514:
"Sorcery, by means of enchantments, divinations, superstitions and the invoking of demons, is prohibited by both civil laws and the sanctions of the sacred canons."
 
John Paul II's Assisi Prayer-Meeting with False Religions
- another apostate prayer meeting in 2002

 
Most recently there was the spectacle of Assisi 2002.  On January 24, 2002 John Paul II held another pagan prayer meeting in this city of Assisi Italy a repeat of the abominable event that took place in 1986.  However, this Assisi meeting may have been even worse. 
 
During the Assisi II prayer meeting, a representative of every false religion involved was allowed to come to the pulpit and give a sermon on world peace.  In the presence of John Paul II of voodoo high priest came to the pulpit outside the Basilica of Saint Frances and gave the voodoo prescription for world peace.  (Voodooists, remember, are witch doctors).  Therefore, by John Paul II's arrangement, from a pulpit outside the historic Basilica of St Francis, a witchdoctor was allowed to give a sermon and provide his prescription for world peace! This would involve slitting the throats of goats, chickens, doves and pigeons, and draining their blood from their arteries. 
 
The Hindu woman told the entire crowd that everyone is God, as John Paul II looked on.  After the Jew, the Buddhist, the Muslim, the Hindu, the witchdoctor and the rest were finished preaching, the various false religious leaders broke up into different rooms to pray to their false gods. 
 
John Paul II had arranged in advance that each false religion was given a separate room in which to worship the devil.
 
All of the crucifixes were removed, and the crucifixes which could not be removed were covered.  John Paul II made sure that the infidels, witchdoctors and pagans saw no sign of Jesus Christ. 
 
The Muslims needed a Rome which faced east toward Mecca, and it was given to them.  The Zoroastrians needed a room with a window, so that the smoke from the wood chips that they burned to the devil could exit through it – and it was given to them.  The Jews wanted a room that had never before been blessed; in other words, a room that had never been blessed in the name of Jesus Christ, and John Paul II provided them with one.  Greater abomination, blasphemy and rejection of the true God almost cannot be imagined.
 
The Council of Elvira, A.D. 305:
"It has been decreed that those who in adult age after receiving baptism shall go into the pagan Temples to worship of idols, which is in deadly crime and the height of wickedness, shall not be admitted to communion even at death."
 
As we see from this regional council, in the early Church going into the pagan temple (which John Paul II did in Thailand) to worship idols was considered the height of wickedness.  It represented such apostasy from the faith that those who even repented of it were only admitted to confession (not Communion).  If going into the pagan temple was considered such severe apostasy, what would they say about a purported leader of the Church who turns the Catholic Churches themselves into pagan temples so that the pagans can worship false gods in them?  The would undoubtedly consider it the height of apostasy. 
 
Pope Pius XI, Ad Salutem (#27), April 20, 1930:
"…all the compulsion and folly, all the outrages and lust, introduced into man's life by the demons through the worship of false gods."


John Paul II's Apostasy with the Muslims

On May 14, 1999 John Paul II bowed to and kissed the Koran.  The Koran he is the Muslims holy book which blasphemes the most Holy Trinity and denies the divinity of Jesus Christ.  To revere the holy book of a false religion has always been considered an act of apostasy – a complete rejection of the true religion.  This act alone made John Paul II an apostate; for it is equivalent to worshipping at the tomb of Mahomet, which St Thomas points out would make what an apostate. 
 
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. II, Q. 12, A. 1, Obj. 2:
"…If anyone were to… worship at the tomb of Mahomet, he would be deemed an apostate."
 
During his visit to Germany on November 17, 1980, John Paul II encouraged the Muslims to "live your faith also in a foreign land…"
 
In February of 2000, John Paul II met with the Islamic "Grand Sheikh" Mohammed.  John Paul II committed another act of apostasy in his speech to the Muslims. 
 
John Paul II, Message to "Grand Sheikh Mohammed," Feb. 24, 2000:
"Islam is a religion.  Christianity is a religion.  Islam has become a culture.  Christianity has become also a culture… of thank your university, the biggest center of Islamic culture.  I thank those who are developing Islamic culture…"
 
John Paul II thanked those who develop Islamic culture! He thanked the infidels for developing a culture which denies Jesus Christ, the Trinity and the Catholic faith on a massive scale, and keeps hundreds of millions in the darkness of the devil.  Of all the evil things in the world that one can think of, Islamic culture probably ranks in the top five of the most evil. 
 
Pope Callixus III:
"I vow to… exalt true faith, and to extirpate the diabolical sect of the reprobate and faithless Mahomet (Islam) in the East."
 
The middle ages were a constant spiritual and physical battle between the Christian west and the Islamic hordes. The statement in John Paul II constitutes a rejection of Jesus Christ and formal apostasy.  No Catholic would ever make such a statement even one time. 
 
John Paul II asked St.  John the Baptist to protect Islam
 
On March 21, 2000, John Paul II asked St. John the Baptist to protect Islam (the religion of the Muslims), which denies Christ and Trinity, and keeps hundreds of millions of souls in the darkness of the devil.  
 
John Paul II, March 21, 2000:
"May St. John the Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan…"
 
This is to ask St. John to protect the denial of Christ and the damnation of souls. 
 

On April 12, 2000, John Paul II met with the king of Morocco, a descendant of the false prophet of Islam, Mohammed. 
 
John Paul II asked him, "You are a descendant of the prophet, aren't you?"
 
John Paul II's Apostasy in the Mosque
 
On May 6, 2001, John Paul II culminated his years-worth of apostasy with the Muslims by traveling to and attending the "Great Umayyad Mosque" of Damascus. While in the mosque, John Paul II actually took off his shoes out of reverence for the temple of infidelity. 
 

 
We see John Paul II in the "Great Umayyad Mosque" of Damascus on May 6, 2001 with the infidel Grand Mufti, Sheikh Ahmad Kfutaro.  While in the mosque, John Paul II was also seated in a chair identical to that of the infidel Grand Mufti.  Here is the statement that John Paul II made to the Muslims that day:
 
John Paul II, Speech to the Muslims from the Mosque, May 6, 2001:
"It is in mosques and churches that the Muslim and Christian communities shape their religious and identity… What sense of identity is instilled in young Christians and young Muslims in our churches and mosques? It is my ardent hope that Muslim and Christian religious leaders and teachers will present our two great communities in respectful dialogue, never more as communities in conflict."
 
It's very interesting to note that the "Omayyad" caliphate (a line of Muslim rulers), after which that particular mosque that John Paul II attended is named, was a line of Muslim rulers that was hugely involved in waging war on Catholic Spain in the 700-year war of Muslims vs. Christians in Spain. 
 
"Abdurrahman the last survivor of the Omayyads had become the ruler of Muslim Spain about the time that Fruela became the ruler of Christian Spain; by 759 the two kings clashed in Galicia."
 
The fact that the mosque he attended was named after a group that is so representative of the anti Christianity just adds insult to his apostasy.  The blood of all the faithful Catholics who died fighting  the Omayyads for the very survival of Christians Spain cries out against him. 
 
Apocalypse 17:6 – "And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the Saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.  And I wondered when I had seen her…"
 
John Paul II teaches that Muslims and Catholics have the same God
 
Earlier in the book, we covered Vatican II's heretical teaching that Catholics and Muslims together worship the one true God.  John Paul II repeated this heresy of Vatican II countless times.
 
John Paul II, Encyclical On Social Concerns (#47), Dec. 30, 1987:
"…Muslims who, like us, believe in the just and merciful God."
 
John Paul II, Homily, Oct. 13, 1989:
"…the followers of Islam who believe in the same good and just God."
 
John Paul II, Homily, Jan. 28, 1990:
"…Our Muslim brothers and sisters… who worship as we do the one and merciful God."
 
John Paul II, General Audience, May 16, 2001
"… the believers of Islam, to whom we are united by the adoration of the one God."
 
John Paul II, General Audience, May 5, 1999:
"Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: 'We believe and the same God…'"
 
This is blasphemy an apostasy.  Muslims reject the most Holy Trinity.  They don't worship the one true God.  By asserting that Muslims and Catholics believe in the same God over and over again, John Paul II denied the most Holy Trinity over and over again.  Furthermore, one is struck by the specificity with which John Paul II (just like Vatican II) denied Jesus Christ in many of these quotations.  For example:
 
John Paul II, New Catechism (paragraph 841):
"…Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day,"
 
Here we find John Paul II's catechism teaching that the Muslims' god (who is not Jesus Christ) When judge mankind on the last day.  This means Jesus Christ will not judge mankind on the last day, but rather than God whom the Muslims worship will.  This is a denial of the second coming of Jesus Christ to judge the living and the dead . 
 
Pope St. Damasus I, Council of Rome, 382, Can. 15:
"If anyone does not say that He Jesus Christ… will come to judge the living and the dead, he is a heretic."
 
John Paul II's Apostasy with the Jews
 
On April 13, 1986,John Paul II traveled to the Jєωιѕн ѕуηαgσgυє in Rome.

 
Here we see John Paul II arriving at the Jєωιѕн ѕуηαgσgυє in Rome in 1986, where he took part in a Jєωιѕн worship service.  In taking part in a Jєωιѕн worship service, John Paul II committed a public act of apostasy, and showed again that he was a manifest heretic and an apostate.  Notice that John Paul II and the rabbi greeted each other is if they were long lost best friends.  During his stay at the ѕуηαgσgυє, John Paul II bowed his head as the Jews praying for the coming of their "Messiah."
This incredible act of apostasy by John Paul II was directly connected to his heretical teaching that the Old Covenant is still in force.  The Catholic Church teaches that with the coming of Jesus Christ and the promulgation of the gospel, the Old Covenant (and that is, the agreement made between God and the Jews through the mediation of Moses) ceased, and was replaced with the new covenant of our Lord Jesus Christ.  It's true that some aspects of the Old Covenant are still valid because they are included in the new and eternal covenant of Jesus Christ, such as the 10 Commandments; but the old covenant itself (the agreement between God and the Jєωιѕн people) ceased with the coming of the Messiah.
 
Therefore, to say that the Old Covenant is still valid is to assert that Judaism is a true religion and that Jesus Christ is not really the Messiah.  It is also to deny defined Catholic dogma, such as the teaching of the Council of Florence , which defined ex cathedra the true that the Old Law is now dead and that those who attempt to practice it (namely, the Jews) cannot be saved. 
 
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Papal Bull, Cantate Domino 1441, ex cathedra:
"The Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.
 
Pope Benedict XIV reiterated this dogma in his encyclical Ex Quo Primum.
 
Pope Benedict XIV, Ex Quo Primum (#61):
"The first consideration is that the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law were abrogated by the coming of Christ and that they can no longer be observed without sin after the promulgation of the Gospel."
 
Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (#'s 29-30), June 29, 1943:
"And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished… on the gibbet of his death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees [Eph. 2:15]…  establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race. 'To such an extent, then,' says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, “was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the ѕуηαgσgυє to the Church, from many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom.'  On the Cross then the Old Law died, soon to be buried and to be a bearer of death…"
 
John Paul II repeatedly repudiated this dogma, in word and deed – a dogma taught by the Catholic Church for 2000 years, defined infallibly by the Council of Florence, and affirmed clearly by Popes Benedict XIV and Pius XII.
 
In an address to Jews in Mainz, West Germany, Nov. 17, 1980, John possible of "the old covenant never revoked by God…"
 
Pope Benedict XIV, Ex Quo Primum (#59), March 1, 1756:
"However they are not attempting to observe the precepts of the Old Law which as everyone knows have been revoked by the coming of Christ."
 
We see here that Pope Benedict XIV condemns the heresy taught by John Paul II, that the Old Covenant has never been revoked by God! John Paul II repeated the same bold heresy in a 1997 speech:
 
John Paul II, Meeting on the Roots of Anti-Semitism, 1997:
"This people [the Jєωιѕн people] has been called and led by God, creator of Heaven and earth.  Their existence then is not a mere natural or cultural happening… it is a supernatural one.  This people continues in spite of everything to be the people of the covenant."
 
It's important to note that the Vatican II sect's of "Archbishop" of Strasbourg, France, Joseph Dore, recalled with glee John Paul II's aforementioned heresy on the Old Covenant, which John Paul II uttered in the speech in Mainz, West Germany and elsewhere.  Notice that "Archbishop" Dore admits that Vatican II changed the traditional teaching of the Church on the cessation of the Old Covenant.
 
Archbishop Joseph Dore of Strasbourg, France,
Speech to B'nai B'rith (Jєωιѕн Freemasons), August, 2003:
"Whatever the depiction [of the Jews in traditional Catholic art]… the theological message is the same – Gods election has now passed to the Christian people; and the Church, the true Israel, may triumph, she who confesses the seeding truth brought by Christ.  
 
"At Vatican II, The Catholic Church finally revised this teaching and understood to what extent it contradicts the bible itself… In 1973, the French Episcopacy, particularly under the influence of Msgr. Elchinger, [past] Bishop of Strasbourg, published a docuмent of unparalleled moral force on ʝʊdɛօ-Christian relations, while John Paul II recalled on numerous occasions the permanence of the first covenant [Ed. The Old Covenant], 'which was never revoked' by God [John Paul II II, Mainz, W. Germany, 1980].  Today we desire to work together with our elder brothers toward reconciliation in fraternal dialogue.  Yet we must have the humility to recognize that the doctrine of contempt and the theology of substitution – making the Church to be the new and only Israel of God – still penetrate the minds of a large number."
 
In fact, John Paul II teaches the same heresy on the Old Covenant in his new catechism, again directly opposed to Catholic dogma. 
 
John Paul II, New Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 121:
"…for the Old Covenant has never been revoked."
 
John Paul II's Unbelievable Message in
Commemoration of the Jєωιѕн ѕуηαgσgυє
 
John Paul II, Message to Chief Rabbi of Rome, May 23, 2004:
"To the most distinguished Dr. Riccardo Di Segni, Chief Rabbi of Rome.  Shalom! With deep joy I join the Jєωιѕн Community of Rome which is celebrating the centenary [100th anniversary] of the Great ѕуηαgσgυє in Rome, a symbol and a reminder of the millennial presence in this city of the people of the Covenant of Sinai.  For more than 2000 years your community has been an integral part of life in the city; it can boast of being the most ancient Jєωιѕн community in Western Europe and of having played an important role in spreading Judaism on this continentToday's commemoration, therefore, acquires a special significance… Since I am unable to attend in person, I have asked my Vicar General Camillo Ruini, to represent me; he is accompanied by Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Holy See's Commission for Relations with the Jews.  They formally express my desire to be with you this day.
 
"In offering you my respectful greeting, distinguished Dr. Riccardo di Segni, I extend my cordial thoughts to all the members of the community, to their president, Mr. Leone Elio Paserman, and to all who are gathered to witness once again to the importance and vigor of the religious patrimony that is celebrated every Saturday in the Great ѕуηαgσgυє of Rome…
 
Today's celebration, in whose joy we all readily join, recalls the first century of this majestic ѕуηαgσgυє.  It stands on the banks of the Tiber, witnessing with the harmony of its architectural lines to faith and to praise of the almighty.  The Christian Community of Rome, through the successor of Peter, joins you in thanking the Lord for this happy occasion [the 100th anniversary of the ѕуηαgσgυє!].  As I said during the visit I mentioned, we greet you as our 'beloved brothers' in the faith of Abraham, our Patriarchyou continue to be the first-born people of the Covenant (Liturgy of Good Friday, General Intercessions, For the Jєωιѕн People)…
 
[These friendly relations] saw us united in commemorating the victims of the Shoah [deceased Jews who did not accept Christ], especially those who were wrenched from their families and from your beloved Jєωιѕн Community in Rome in October 1943 and interned in Auschwitz.  May their memory be blessed and induce us to work as brothers and sisters…
 
the Church has not hesitated to express deep sorrow at the 'failures of her sons and daughters in every age' and, in an act of repentance, has asked forgiveness for their responsibility connected in any way with the scourges of anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism…
 
Today… we are addressing a fervent prayer to the Eternal one, to the God of Shalom, so that enmity and hatred may no longer overpower those who turn to our Father, Abraham – Jews, Christians and Muslims…
 
"Our meeting today is, as it were, in preparation for your imminent solemnity of Shavu'ot and of our Pentecost which proclaim the fullness of our respective paschal celebrations. May these feasts see us united in praying David's paschal Hallel." (L'Osservatore Romano, June 2, 2004, p. 7)
 
Here is a brief summary  of John Paul II II's 2004 message in commemoration of the ѕуηαgσgυє:
 
He joins the Jєωιѕн community in commemorating the 100th anniversary of the ѕуηαgσgυє – apostasy.
 
He says this Jєωιѕн community can boast of being the most ancient ѕуηαgσgυє in Western Europe and of having spread Judaism – total apostasy.
 
He formally expresses his desire that he could have been with them, in the ѕуηαgσgυє, commemorating it – apostasy.
 
He praises the importance and the vigor of the religion that is celebrated every Saturday in Rome – apostasy.  The word "vigor" means "Active physical strength or energy; flourishing physical condition, vitablity; mental or moral strength, force or energy."  Thus, he is telling them again that their Covenant with God is valid, flourishing, in force.
 
Oh behalf of the entire Christian Community in Rome, as supposed "successor of St. Peter," he formally thanks the Lord for the 100 years of the ѕуηαgσgυє! – apostasy!
 
He greets the Jews as beloved brothers of the faith of Abraham, which is another total denial of Christ, as Scripture teaches that only those who are of Christ have the faith of Abraham.
 
Galatians 3:14 – "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus: that we may receive the promise of the Spirit by faith."
 
Galatians 3:29
"And if you be Christ's; then you are the seed of Abraham."
 
Pope St. Gregory the Great (+c. 590):
"…if you are Christ's then you are the seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:29).  If we because of our faith in Christ are deemed children of Abraham, the Jews therefore because of their perfidy have ceased to be His seed."
 
Pope St. Leo the Great, Dogmatic Letter to Flavian (449), read at Council of Chalcedon (451), ex cathedra:
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and his seed. He does not say "to his seeds" – as if referring to multiplicity – but to a single one, 'and to thy seed,' which is Christ (Gal. 3:16)
 
He states that the Jews "continue to be the first-born people of the Covenant," quoting the Good Friday prayer of the New Mass, which prays that the Jews "continue" in faithfulness to God's Covenant.  John Paul II is blatantly teaching, once again, that the Jews' Covenant with God is still valid – bold heresy. He commemorates those who died as Jews and says that their memory should be blessed – heresy.
 
On behalf of "the Church," he repents for any anti-Judiasm – apostasy.  This would include the Church's anti-Jєωιѕн dogma that Jews who die without conversion to Catholicism go to Hell, and therefore need to be converted and saved. He is mocking Our Lord and the Church.  This speech ranks right near the top of John Paul II's blasphemies and heresies.  John Paul II was totally in favor of the denial of Christ; he clearly taught that the Old Covenant is still valid; he totally denied Jesus Christ and the Catholic Faith; he put his apostasy right in the world's face.  Those who hold that this manifest heretic and apostate was a Catholic, while aware of these facts, and refuse to denounce him as a heretic, are truly enemies of God.
 
1 John 2:22
"Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ?  He is antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son."

John Paul II's best-friend, Jerzy Kluger, was a Jew
 
Of course, John Paul II never tried to convert Kluger.  Kluger explicitly states that John Paul II II never gave him the slightest indication that he wanted to convert him.  Rather, Kluger credits his life-long relationship with John Paul II with making him "feel more Jєωιѕн."  As a youth, John Paul II played soccer goalie on the Jєωιѕн squad with Kluger; they played against the Catholics.  In a letter to Kluger on March 30, 1989, regarding the destruction of a ѕуηαgσgυє during World War II, John Paul II wrote the following:
 
"I venerate… also this place of worship [the ѕуηαgσgυє], which the invaders destroyed."
 
This is blunt apostasy.  By venerating the ѕуηαgσgυє, John Paul II is venerating the Jews' denial that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.  But Jerzy Kluger was not the only Jew who was made to feel more Jєωιѕн by John Paul II.  There is the Jєωιѕн maestro, Gilbert Levine.
 

John Paul II with a Jєωιѕн maestro
 
Levine noted that, in their man-year relationship, John Paul II never gave him the slightest indication that he wanted to convert him.  Levine also noted publicly that, after getting to know John Paul II, he returned to the practice of Judaism.  John Paul II asked Levine to conduct a concert in the Vatican to commemorate the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  Levine agreed, and with Antipope John Paul II in attendance the concert took place in the Vatican.  All the crucifixes were covered.
 

At the left John Paul II seated next to the Jєωιѕн Rabbi for the h0Ɩ0cαųst Concert (a Jєωιѕн Prayer Service) in the Vatican
 
The concert began with "Kol Nidre," the prayer sung on the holiest day of the Jєωιѕн calendar.  A few of the many Jews in attendance also lit candles during the ceremony, which quickly became a Jєωιѕн religious service in the Vatican. After the concern Levine remarked:
"It was like I was in a Jєωιѕн liturgical service in the Vatican. It was a night of prayer… of Jєωιѕн prayer."
 
After the concert John Paul II called for Levine to receive the Vatican Knighthood.  Levine because a Knight Commander of the Equestrian Order of St. Gregory the Great.
 
John Paul II chose "Cardinal" Lustiger of Parish to bestow the honor.  Lustiger himself, who was raised a Jew, stated in a 1981 interview: "I am a Jew.  For me the two religions are one."
 
The honor that John Paul II had bestowed on Levine is one of the very highest that can be received by laymen.
 
Gilbert Levine revealed the full depths of John Paul II's apostasy in an interview on Larry King Live, April 4, 2005.
 
During the interview on CNN's Larry King Live, April 4, 2005, Gilbert Levine revealed that John Paul II:
 
·       Sent each of his sons letters to congratulate them for their bar mitzvahs;
·       That John Paul II himself gave his family a Jєωιѕн menorah;
·       That John Paul II had "Cardinal" Kasper send the Levine's a letter on the occasion of the bar mitzvah that was "astounding," which told them to be proud of their Jєωιѕн heritage and live it out to the full, and that the letter was so Jєωιѕн that the rabbi said it was from a rabbi, when it was actually from Kasper at the behest of John Paul II.
 
This proves that John Paul II officially encouraged the practice of Judaism; that he officially encouraged the denial of Christ; that he officially helped people practice the Old Covenant; and that he celebrated their observance of the of the Jєωιѕн religion with them. In light of these facts, anyone who says that John Paul II was not a non-Catholic apostate simply denies Jesus Christ – period.
 
Here is an excerpt from the interview on CNN's Larry King Live:
KING: How much of music did he understand?
LEVINE: Wonderfully.  So much so that I, as a Jєωιѕн conductor, suggested for that 1994 concert that I do a work of Mahler.  And he said, "didn't Mahler convert to Catholicism to become the music director of the Vienna Philharmonic?"  I as a musician didn't – didn't think of that.  It's not that I didn't know it, I didn't think of it. That's the kind of sensitivity he had to Jєωιѕн issues.  And he wanted to broaden it out.  And what happened was he felt like it was a – music could be a vehicle for inter-faith dialogue.
KING: The pope congratulated your children's bar mitzvahs?
LEVINE: Not only congratulate us, he sent us a menorah.
KING: He sent you a menorah?
LEVINE: He gave it to us, actually, didn't send it.  Actually gave us a menorah. I think it's from the 16th century in Prague.  It's the most beautiful menorah.  He sent a letter on the occasion of each of my Son's bar mitzvahs.  He also had the cardinal in charge of Catholic/Jєωιѕн relations send a letter that was read out in my Orthodox shul on the occasion of my Son's recent bar mitzvah, and the rabbi read it as if it were from a rabbi.  At the end, it said, "it's by Rabbi Joel Schwartz."  He said, but it wasn't by Rabbi Joel Schwartz.  It was by Rabbi – by Cardinal Kasper.  It was astounding.  It was a letter that said, you should be proud of your Jєωιѕн heritage and live it out to its full.
KING: Where have you been? Why have we just found you? You conduct all over?
LEVINE: Yes. I conduct all over, and I conduct for him in the Vatican many times.  I conducted also for him at World Youth Day in Denver.  Me, conducting for Catholic youth?  Andon that occasion, he came over to me and disrupted the entire performance, put his arm around me and said, did I disturb you, Maestro?  And he had in fact stopped the whole show.
KING: Are you going to the funeral?
LEVINE: Of course.  I am leaving tomorrow morning. And I will be at the funeral. I couldn't not be there."  - End of excerpt from interview 66
Notice that Gilbert Levine wanted to use the music of the former Jew, Mahler, for the concert, but John Paul II discouraged it by pointing out that Mahler was a Jew who concerted to Catholicism!
 
John Paul II Praying at the Wailing Wall
 
On March 26, 2000, John Paul II prayed at the Western Wall in Jerusalem.  The Western Wall is the stone remnant of the Jєωιѕн Temple in Jerusalem that was destroyed by the Roman's in 70 A.D.  The Jews pray at the Western Wall as the holiest site in Judaism.
 

At the left side John Paul II praying at the Wailing or Western Wall in Jerusalem.
 
The destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D., leaving only the Western Wall, has always been understood by Catholics to signify God's judgment on the Jews.  The destruction of the Temple prevented Jews from being able to offer sacrifice, which meant that their religion had come to an end.  The destruction of the Temple was God's powerful sign to the Jews that the Messiah had come, that the Old Covenant had ceased, and that the Temple had been replaced by the Catholic Church.
 
So when a Jew prays at the Western Wall, or leaves a prayer there, it is a denial that Jesus is the Messiah; it is an affirmation that he holds that the Old Covenant is still in force; and it is a pitiful and sad attempt to ignore God's very obvious sign that the Jews must abandon the destroyed Temple and enter the Catholic Church.  So when John Paul II himself prayed at the Western Wall in March of 2000, it was an attempt to validate Judaism.  It was a denial that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, an indication that he holds that the Old Covenant is still in force, and a mockery of God's clear sign that the Jews must abandon the destroyed Temple and enter the Catholic Church.  One informed commentator pointed out that, when John Paul II prayed at the Western Wall, most of the nation of Israel was watching on television. This means that every Jew watching on television was given the impression by John Paul II that he doesn't need to convert to Jesus Christ because Christ is not the Messiah.
 
The prayer that John Paul II left at the Western Wall asked forgiveness for sins against the Jєωιѕн people.
 
Other Apostasy with the Jews during the Reign of John Paul II
 
In late 2001, a Vatican Commission under John Paul II released a book entitled The Jєωιѕн People and the Holy Scriptures in the Christian Bible.  The book argues that the Jews' wait for the coming of the Messiah is still valid.  There is more on this book in the section later on dealing with Benedict XVI.
 
On August 12, 2002, the American bishops in union with John Paul II issued a docuмent on the Jews.  Spearheaded by the notorious apostate William Keeler of Baltimore, and without a peep of objection from John Paul II, the docuмent publicly declared: "…campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity are no longer theologically acceptable in the Catholic Church."
 
All this proves that John Paul II and his bishops were/are complete apostates from the Catholic Faith.
 
John Paul II's incredible Heresies regarding Baptized Non-Catholics
(i.e., heretics and schismatics)
 
We have already examined and exposed in detail John Paul II's undeniable apostasy with paganism, Islam and Judaism.  Besides the many statements and acts of heresy and apostasy that John Paul II committed with those false and non-Christian religions, there are also his incredible heresies regarding baptized non-Catholics and their heretical sects.  For example:
 
John Paul II taught that schismatics don't need to be converted
 
John Paul II taught that Eastern Schismatics (the so-called Orthodox) don't need to be converted to the Catholic Church.  To provide a little background: The Eastern Schismatics (the so-called "Orthodox") reject the dogma of the Papacy, which means they reject the supreme authority of all the true popes in history.  They reject the dogma of Papal Infallibility: the truth that a pope teaches infallibly when speaking from the Chair of Peter.  They reject the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, they refuse to accept the last 13 Councils of the Roman Catholic Church, and they allow divorce and re-marriage.
John Paul II, Homily, May 23, 2002:
"I wish to repeat once again, honor also to you, the Holy Orthodox Church…"
 
In his outrageous Directory for the Application of the Principles and Norms of Ecuмenism (#125), John Paul II encouraged interfaith worship with these Eastern Schismatics and stated:
"…any suggestion of proselytism should be avoided."
 
We cover later, John Paul II approved the Directory on Ecuмenism in Ut Unum Sint #58 and elsewhere.
 
To proselytize is to convert someone.  So John Paul II held that any effort to convert the Eastern Schismatics should be avoided.  Here are the words of a real Catholic pope, Pope Benedict XIV< on the exact same topic.
 
Pope Benedict XIV, Allatae Sunt (#19), July 26, 1755:
"First, the missionary who is attempting with God's help to bring back Greek and eastern schismatics to unity should devote all his effort to the single objective of delivering them from doctrines at variance with the Catholic faith."
 
Pope Benedict XIV, Allatae Sunt (#19):
"For the only work entrusted to the missionary is that of recalling the Oriental to the Catholic faith…"
 
Walter Kasper, a high-ranking member of the Vatican II Church, understands this quite well.  Kasper was made a "cardinal" and the head of the Vatican's Council for Promoting Christian Unity by John Paul II.  Benedict XVI confirmed Kasper in his position as head of the Vatican's Council for Promoting Christian unity.  Expressing the view of both John Paul II and Benedict XVI, Kasper stated: "…today we no longer understand ecuмenism in the sense of a return, by which others would 'be converted' and return to being 'Catholics'.  This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II."
 
Catholics who were tortured and martyred
 because they refused to become Eastern Schismatics
 
 
In his 1945 encyclical Orientales Omnes Ecclesias, Pope Pius XII gives a few examples of Catholic in history that were tortured and killed because they wouldn't abandon fidelity to the Papacy and become Eastern "orthodox" schismatics.  St. Josaphat is one famous example, but there are many others. St. Josaphat converted many Eastern Schismatics back to the
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Post by: harris on October 25, 2019, 09:44:39 PM

Catholics who were tortured and martyred
 because they refused to become Eastern Schismatics
 
 
In his 1945 encyclical Orientales Omnes Ecclesias, Pope Pius XII gives a few examples of Catholic in history that were tortured and killed because they wouldn't abandon fidelity to the Papacy and become Eastern "orthodox" schismatics.  St. Josaphat is one famous example, but there are many others. St. Josaphat converted many Eastern Schismatics back to the Catholic faith until he was murdered by them for his efforts to bring people back into union with the Papacy.
 
Pope Pius XII, Orientales Omnes Ecclesias (#15), Dec. 23, 1945:
"Josaphat Kuntzevitch…was famed for his holiness of life and apostolic zeal and was an intrepid champion of Catholic unity.  He was hunted down with bitter hatred and murderous intent by the schismatics and on 12th November 1623 he was inhumanly wounded and slain with a halbred."
 
There were many others who were fined, flogged, tortured, drowned and killed because they wouldn't become Eastern Schismatics.
 
Pope Pius XII, Orientales Omnes Ecclesias (#20), Dec. 23, 1945:
"The Ruthenian community received…a noble company of confessors and martyrs. To preserve their faith unimpaired and to maintin their zealous loyalty to the Roman poniffs, these did not hesitate to endure every kind of lbor and hardship, or even to go gladly to their death… Josaphat Kuntzevitch… He was the outstanding martyr for Catholic faith and unity at that period, but not the only one; not a few of the clergy and the laity received the same palm of victory after him; some were slain with the sword, some atrociously flogged to death, some drawned in the Dneiper, so passing from their triumph over death to Heaven."
 
Pope Pius XII, Orientales Omnes Ecclesias (#49), Dec. 23, 1945:
"Besides all of this a new and no less bitter persecution of Catholicism was begun a few years before the partition of Poland.  At the time when the troops of the Russian emperor had invaded Poland many churches of the Ruthenian rite were taken away from Catholics by force of arms; the priests who refused to abjure their faith [and become schismatics] were put in chains, insulted, scourged and cast into prison, where they suffered cruelly from hunger, thirst and cold."
 
By its heretical teaching that the "Orthodox" schismatics are not outside the Church and don't need conversion for salvation, the Vatican II sect utterly mocks the Saints and martyrs who suffered horribly not to be schismatics.
 
The Vatican's Balamand Statement with the Eastern Schismatics
 approved by John Paul II, rejects converting these
 non-Catholics as "outdated ecclesiology"
 
 
On June 24, 1993, the Vatican signed the Balamand Statement with the Eastern Schismatics (the so-called "Orthodox Church").  In this Balamand Statement (quoted below), which was approved by John Paul II, any attempt to convert the Eastern Schismatics is rejected as "the outdated ecclesiology of return to the Catholic Church."  Here are some passages from the amazingly heretical Balamand Statement:
 
Vatican II Sect's Balamand Statement with the "Orthodox," 1993,
 
#10:
"The situation thus created resulted in fact in tensions and oppositions.  Progressively, in the decades which followed these unions, missionary activity tended to include among its priorities the effort to convert other Christians, individually or in groups, so as "to bring them back" to one's own Church.  In order to legitimize this tendency, a source of proselytism, the Catholic Church developed the theological vision according to which she presented herself as the only one to whom salvation was entrusted.  As a reaction, the Orthodox Church, in turn, came to accept the same vision according to which only in her could salvation be found…"
 
#'s 14-15:
"According to the words of John Paul II the ecuмenical endeavor of the sister Churches of the East and West, grounded in dialogue and prayer, is the search for perfect and total communion which is neither absorption nor fusion but a meeting in truth and love (cf. Slavorum Apostoli, 27).  15. While the inviolable freedom of persons and their obligation to follow the requirements of their conscience remain secure, in the search for re-establishing unity there is no question of conversion of people from one Church to the other in order to ensure their salvation."
 
#22: "Pastoral activity in the Catholic Church, Latin as well as Oriental, no longer aims at having the faithful of one Church pass over to the other; that is to say, it no longer aims at proselytizing among the orthodox.  It aims at answering the spiritual needs of its own faithful and it has no desire for expansion at the expense of the Orthodox Church.
 
#30: "To pave the way for future relations between the two Churches, passing beyond the out-dated ecclesiology of return to the Catholic Church connected with the problem which is the object of this docuмent, special attention will be given to the preparation of future priests and of all those who, in any way, are involved in an apostolic activity carried on in a place where the other Church traditionally has its roots.  Their education should be objectively positive with respect of the other church.
 
This is an incredibly bold heresy! This docuмent, approved by the Vatican II antipopes, is definitely one of the worst heresies of the Vatican II sect.  It bluntly mentions, and then totally rejects, the traditional dogma of the Catholic Church that the schismatics must be converted to the Catholic Faith for unity and salvation.  John Paul II called the Balamand Statement a "new step" that "should help all the local Orthodox Churches and all the local Catholic Churches, both Latin and oriental, which live together in a single region, to continue their commitment to the dialogue of charity and to begin or to pursue relations of cooperation in the area of their pastoral activity."
 
Please notice especially #'s 14-15, which state that "in the search for re-establishing unity there is no question of conversion of people from one Church to the other in order to ensure their salvation."
 
Please notice #22, which states that the Catholic Church "has no desire for expansion at the expense of the Orthodox Church" and #30, which rejects the "out-dated ecclesiology of return to the Catholic Church." Notice how all of this bluntly rejects the Catholic dogma that non-Catholics must return to the Catholic Church for salvation and Christian unity.
 
Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (#13), 1832
Now We consider another abundant source of the evils with which the Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained. Surely, in so clear a matter, you will drive this deadly error far from the people committed to your care. With the admonition of the apostle that “there is one God, one faith, one baptism”[16] may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that “those who are not with Christ are against Him,”[17] and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore “without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate.”
 
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (#10), Jan. 6, 1928:
"Church of Christ of those who are separated from it…"
 
So it is a fact that John Paul II and his false sect reject word-for-word the dogma of the Catholic faith: Christian unity is only achieved by conversion to Catholicism. We see this rejection of Catholic dogma again in the next quote.
 
More of John Paul II's incredible heresies with the
 Eastern "Orthodox" Schismatics
 
John Paul II Homily, Jan 25, 1993:
"The way to achieve Christian unity, in fact, says the docuмent of the Pontifical Commission for Russia, 'is not proselytism but fraternal dialogue…'
 
It is therefore a fact that John Paul II teaches that the faith of Rome is not to be held by non-Catholics; therefore, he cannot be looked upon as holding the true Catholic Faith.
 
Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (#13), June 29, 1896:
"You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach that the faith of Rome is to be held."
 
Those who assert, in the face of these facts, that John Paul II is to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic Faith (in other words, that was a true Catholic Pope) are denying this teaching of the Catholic Church.
 
In his encyclical on Sts. Cyril and Methodius (#27), John Paul II again indicated that Eastern Schismatics should not be converted to the Catholicchurch. He stated that unity with schismatics "is neither absorption or fusion," 82 which means not by conversion.  As we saw above, The Balamand Statement with the Orthodox actually quoted this very phrase from John Paul II I's encyclical on Sts. Cyril and Methodius to prove that Catholics should not convert the Orthodox.  John Paul II has confirmed his heresy in countless meetings with the schismatics.  On Feb. 24, 2000, John Paul II met with the non-Catholic, schismatic Bishop of Alexandria, "Pope" Shenouda III.
 

John Paul II meeting with the schismatic Bishop of Alexandria, who calls himself "Pope" Shenouda III
 
In his message to the schismatic bishop, John Paul II called him "your Holiness" and said:
 
John Paul II, Message to "Pope" Shenouda III, Feb. 24, 2000:
"I am grateful for all you have said, Your Holiness… God bless the Church of Pope Shenouda. Thank you."
 
In other words, John Paul II said: "God bless the schismatic Church!"  this is a rejection of the Catholic Faith.  Scripture specifically tells us that we cannot say "God speed" (in other words, "God bless") to heretics.
 
"If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him: God speed you." (2 John 10)
 
By saying "God bless" to a false Church, one is asking God to multiply and propagate that false section.
 
 

John Paul II and Teoctist (The schismatic Patriarch of Romania)
 jointly denouncing converting each other in a 2002 Joint Declaration
 
 
On October 12, 2002, John Paul II and the schismatic Patriarch of Romania jointly denounced trying to convert each other in a common declaration.  They stated: "Our aim and our ardent desire is full communion, which is not absorption…"
 
This means not by conversion.  John Paul II frequently used the phrase "neither absorption nor fusion" to indicate that unity with the schismatics is not by converting them.  Remember, that phrase was used with this very meaning in the Balamand Statement (cited earlier) with the schismatic "Orthodox."
 
Teoctist, the schismatic Patriarch of Romania, had already revealed in 1999 that John Paul II made a large donation to his non-Catholic Church. Zenit News Service reported that John Paul II's donation to the schismatic patriarch was $100,000!
 
"Romanian Orthodox clergy said today that John Paul II has donated $100,000 toward the construction of an Orthodox Cathedral here that will accomodate up to 2,000 people. Agence France-Presse reported."
 

 
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 3 on Heretics, 1215:
"Moreover, we determine to subject to excommunication believers who receive, defend or support heretics."
 
In his address on the same day as their Joint Declaration,
John Paul II told the schismatic Patriarch Teoctist:
"The goal is… to reach a unity which implies neither absorption nor fusion…ú
So, John Paul II has publicly ensured his listeners over and over again that Catholics should not try to convert non-Catholics and that the Catholic Faith is not necessary for attaining salvation.
 
Pope Pius IX, Nostis et Nobiscuм (#10), Dec. 8, 1849:
"In particular, ensure that the faithful are deeply and thoroughly convinced of the truth of the doctrine that the Catholic Faith is necessary for attaining salvation."
 
In fact, in the same address to the schismatic Patriarch of Romania, John Paul II made this incredible statement:
"For her part, the Catholic Church recognizes the mission which the Orthodox Churches are called to carry out in the countries where they wererooted for centuries.  She desires nothing else than to help this mission…"
 
So much for the Papacy! So much for the last 1000 years of dogmatic statements that the schismatics reject! So much for divorce and re-marriage!  And so much for the Catholic Church, according to John Paul II.  According to this apostate, all of this means nothing and in fact should not be believed because "the Church" desires nothing else than to keep these people in schism and outside her teachings.
 
Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio, May 27, 1832:
"Be not deceived, my brother, if anyone follows a schismatic, he will not attain the inheritance of the kingdom of God."
 
Pope Leo XII, Quod Hoc Ineunte, May 24, 1824:
"We address all of you who are still removed form the true Church and the road to salvation.  In this universal rejoicing, one thing is lacking, that… you might sincerely agree with the mother Church, outside of whose teachings there is no salvation."
 
Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum (#14), May 5, 1824;
"It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members… by Divine faith we hold one Lord, one faith, one baptism… This is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Church."
 
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (#11), Jan 6, 1928:
"The Catholic Church is alone in keeping the true worship… if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation."
 

Here we see John Paul II and the schismatic Patriarch Teactist
 sitting on equal level chairs
 
This is another action by which John Paul II manifested that he accepted the "orthodox" heresy that all bishops are equal.  John Paul II held that it's fine to deny the Primacy of the Bishop of Rome.
 
In the summer of 2003, John Paul II again repudiated the proselytism of the Eastern Schismatics.
 
John Paul II,  Ecclesia in Europa, Post-Synodal Apost. Exhortation, June 28, 2003:
"At the same time, I wish to assure once more the pastors and our brothers and sisters of the Orthodox Churches that the new evangelization is in no way to be confused with proselytism."
 
Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Sess. 4, Chap.3, ex cathedra:
"Furthermore We teach and declare that the Roman Church, by the disposition of the Lord, holds the sovereignty of ordinary power over all others… This is the doctrine of Catholic truth from which no one can deviate and keep his faith and salvation."
 
This infallible definition of Vatican I declares that anyone who deviates from the dogma of the Papacy (that the Pope of Rome holds sovereign power in the Church of Christ), such as the "Orthodox" schismatics and the Protestants, cannot keep his faith and salvation.  Yet, John Paul II tells us that the Orthodox schismatics and the Protestants not only can keep their faith and salvation while denying the Papacy, but should not believe in the Papacy.  He was a complete heretic who rejected this dogma of Vatican I.
 
John Paul II Declaring a Communion and Unity
  of Faith with non-Catholic Sects
 
In his encyclical Ut Unum Sint, John Paul II declared that his "Church" is in communion with non-Catholic sects an incredible 16 times, and he declared that he has the same faith as non-Catholic sects 8 times.
 
John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint (#62), May 25, 1995, speaking about the non-Catholic and schismatic Patriach of Ethiopia:
"When the Venerable Patriarch of the Ethiopian Church, Abuna Paulos, paid me a visit in Rome on June 11, 1993, together we emphasized the deep communion existing between our two Churches: 'We share the same faith handed down from the Apostles… moreover, we affirm that we have the one faith in Christ…'"
 
Pope St. Leo the Great, Sermon 129:
"Wherefore, since outside the Catholic Church there is nothing perfect, nothing undefiled… we are in no way likened with those who are divided from the unity of the Body of Christ; we are joined in no communion."
 
When John Paul II asserts that he has the same faith and communion as non-Catholic sects, he is asserting that he is a non-Catholic.
 
John Paul II gave a relic to schismatic Karekin II,
 and he declared that his sect is the "Bride of Christ"
 

John Paul II gives a relic of St. Gregory the Illuminator to the head of the schismatic "Church" in Armenia
 
John Paul II also gave Karekin II, the head of the schsmatic Church in Armenia, a relic of St. Gregory the Illuminator.
 
John Paul II, Homily to schismatic Patriarch Karekin II, Nov. 10, 2000:
"…I am delighted to return to Your Holiness a relic of St. Gregory the Illuminator…The relic will be placed in the new cathedral now being built…My hope is that the new cathedral will adorn with still greater beauty the Bride of Christ in Armenia…"
 
St. Gregory the Illuminator (c. 257-332 A.D.) was the "Apostle of Armenia," the one who propagated the true Christian Faith (the Catholic Faith) in Armenia:
 
"Working very closely together, King Tiridates and St. Gregory the Illuminator destroyed all the old pagan shrines in Armenia, beginning with those of the goddess Anahit and the God Tir, for whom the King had been named.  Crosses were erected in their place.  Very large numbers of people were baptized."
 
By giving the relic of this great Christian Apostle of Armenia to the schismatics, John Paul II was clearly indicating that he considered the schismatics as possessors of the true Christian Faith – the true Faith that St. Gregory the Illuminator held.  Further, in the homily above, we can see that John Paul II called the schismatic Orthodox Church "the Bride of Christ," a title reserved to the Catholic Church!
 
John Paul II's Heresy with the Anglican Sect
 
Because Margaret Clitherow refused to accept the Anglican sect and its "Mass" – but rather invited Catholic priests into her home against the penal laws – she was martyred by being crushed to death under a large door loaded with heavy weights.  This style of execution is so painful that it is called "severe and harsh punishment."  She suffered it all because she wouldn't accept Anglicanism.  The Vatican II sect, however, teaches that Anglicans are fellow "Christians" who don't need conversion, and whose invalid "bishops" are actually true bishops of the Church of Christ.  The Vatican II sect teaches that her martyrdom was pointless.
 
John Paul II mocking the English Martyrs by his joint prayer with the Anglican "Archbishop" of Canterbury, 1982
 

John Paul II in common prayer with the schismatic and heretical "Archbishop" of Canterbury (an Angelican), who is just a layman posing as a bishop
 
On May 29, 1982 in the Anglican Cathedral John Paul II knelt in a "prayer of interfaith" with the "Archbishop" of Canterbury, Robert Runcie, thus mocking the martyrdoms of so many Catholic Saints who bravely shed their blood rather than accept the false Anglican sect or partake in false worship.
 
Pope Pius IX, Neminem vestrum (#5), Feb. 2, 1854:
"We want  you to know that those same monks sent Us a splendid profession of Catholic faith and doctrine…The eloquently acknowledged and freely received the regulations and decrees which the popes and the sacred congregations published or would publish – especially those which prohibit communication in divinia (Communion in Holy matters) with schismatics."
 

John Paul II kisses the hand of Mr. Rowan Williams of Canterbury following their meeting at the Vatican on Oct. 4, 2003
 
John Paul II kissing the ring of Rowan Williams, the head of the Anglican sect, on whom he also bestowed a pectoral cross, even though Williams is just a layman.  For those who don't know, the Anglican non-Catholic sect doesn't even have valid priests or valid bishops.  Pope Leo XIII infallibly declared that Anglican ordinations are invalid.
 
Pope Leo XIII, "Apostolicae Curae," Sept 13, 1896, ex cathedra:
"…by Our authority, of Our own inspiration and certain knowledge We pronounce and declare that ordinations enacted accoding to the Anglican rite have hitherto been and are invalid and entirely void…
 
Anglican "priests" and "bishops" are, therefore, laymen, besides being non-Catholic heretics and schismatics.  Yet, after the election of the new Anglican "archbishop" of Canterbury (Rowan Williams) John Paul II dispatched the apostate Walter Kasper to give this non-Catholic layman a pectoral cross and a telegram of approval! This is so heretical that there are almost no words to describe it.
 
Anglican "Archbishop" of Canterbury Rowan Williams to John Paul II, Oct. 4, 2003:
"In 1966 Pope Paul VI gave Archbishop Michael Ramsey is own Episcopal ring, which has een treasured by his successors and which I wear today.  I am glad to thank you for the personal gift of a pectoral cross, sent to me on the occasion of my enthronement earlier this  year. As I took on my new ministry I appreciated deeply that sign of a shared task…"
 
The pectoral cross is a traditional Catholic symbol of episcopal authority.  By bestowing the pectoral cross upon the apostate Rowan Williams – who is also in favor of women priests and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs being ordainedJohn Paul II not only flatly denied by his deed Pope Leo XIII's infallible definition that Anglican orders are invalid, but he also made a complete mockery of the Catholic dogmas on the Papacy and the Church of Christ.
 
And what makes this action of John Paul II even more incredible is the fact that Williams himself has been banned from conducting "Communion" services in 350 Anglican parishes for his view in favor of women priests!
 
But that didn't stop John Paul II; he just pushed ahead with the apostasy.
 
John Paul II even indicated that the non-Catholic layman Williams is the legitimate bishop of the "See of Canterbury."
 
John Paul II, "To the Most Reverend and Right Honorable Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury," Oct. 4, 2003: "These encounters have sought to renew the links between the See of Canterbury and the Apostolic See… It is fidelity to Christ which compels us to continue to search for full visible unity and to find appropriate ways of engaging, whenever possible, in common witness and mission… I pray for a renewed outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon you… May God keep you safe, watch over you and always guide you in the exercise of your lofty responsibilities."
As shown above, during a meeting with Rowan Williams, John Paul II also kissed his ring, which demonstrated again that John Paul II recognized this non-Catholic layman as a legitimate bishop in the Church of Christ.  John Paul II mocked Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church and all the English martyrs who suffered horrible tortures for refusing to abandon Catholicism and become Anglican.  With this action, John Paul II rejected the Catholic Church's teaching on the Episcopacy, Ordination, Apostolic Succession and Church Unity.
 
John Paul II praised Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and Hus
 
John Paul II also praised the greatest enemies that the Catholic Church has ever known, including the Protestant revolutionaries Luther and Calvin.
 
In Oct. 1983, John Paul II, speaking of Martin Luther, stated:
"Our world even today experiences his great impact on history."
 
And on June 14, 1984, John Paul II praised Calvin as one who was trying to "make the Church more faithful to the will of the Lord."108  To patronize, support and defend heretics is to be a heretic.  To praise the worst heretics in Church history, such as Luther and Calvin is beyond heresy.
 
Pope Gregory XVI, Encyclical, May 8, 1844:
"But later even more care was required when the Lutherans and Calvinists dared to oppose the changeless doctrine of the faith with an almost incredible variety of errors.  They left no means untried to deceive the faithful with perverse explanation o fthe sacred books…"
 
John Paul II also praised the notorious heretics Zwingli and Hus. He even went so far as to say that John Hus, who was condemned as a heretic by the Council of Constance, was a man of "infallible personal integrity!"
 
John Paul II approved the Vatican-Lutheran Agreement on Justification
 
On Oct. 31, 1999, "Cardinal" Edward Cassidy and Lutheran "Bishop" Christian Krause shake hands at the signing of The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification in Augsburg, Germany.  This agreement, which was approved by John Paul II, teaches: that Justification comes by "faith alone" (Annex, 2, C); that the Canons of the Council of Trent no longer apply to the Lutherans (#13); that none of the Lutheran Teaching in the Joint Declaration, including the heresy of Justification by faith alone and numerous other Lutheran heresies, is condemned by Trent (#41).  In short, this agreement between the "Church" of John Paul II and the Lutheran sect utterly rejects the dogmatic Council of Trent. It is a veritable declaration that the sect of John Paul II is a Protestant sect. (A little later in the book there is a section on this amazingly heretical agreement.)
 
John Paul II, Jan. 19, 2004, At a Meeting with Lutherans From Finalnd:  "…I wish to express my gratitude for the ecuмenical progress made between Catholics and Lutherans in the five years since the signing of the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification."
 
John Paul II taught that non-Catholics can receive Communion
 
John Paul II also taught that non-Catholic may lawfully receive Holy Communion.
 
Canon 844.3 of his 1983 Code of Canon Law states that:
"Catholic ministers may licitly administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick to members of the oriental churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church…"
 
The idea that non-Catholics may lawfully receive Holy Communion or the other sacraments is contrary to the 2000 year teaching of the Catholic Church.
 
Pope Pius IX, Encyclical, April 8, 1862:
"…whoever eats of the Lamb and is not a member of the Church, has profaned."
 
What's particularly significant about this heresy of John Paul II (that it is lawful to give Holy Communion to non-Catholics) is the fact that it also appears in his new catechism, paragraph #1401. This docuмent was promulgated by the so-called supreme apostolic authority of John Paul II.  In his constitution Fidei Depositum,  John Paul II promulgated his new catechism using his "apostolic authority" to declare that it is a "sure norm for teaching the faith."
 
John Paul II, Fidei Depositum, Oct. 11, 1992:
"The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved June 25th last and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic authority, is a statement of the Church's faith and of Catholic doctrine…I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith."
 
John Paul II's catechism is not a sure norm for teaching the faith. It's a sure norm for teaching heresy. Therefore, since John Paul II has pretended to declare from the Chair of Peter that his catechism is a sure norm for teaching the faith when it is not, we know that he does not sit in the Chair of Peter.  A pope cannot err when speaking from the Apostolic See, that is, with his apostolic authority from the Chair of Peter.
 
Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, ex cathedra:
"…in the Apostolic See the Catholic religion has always been preserved untainted, and holy doctrine celebrated."
 
Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, ex cathedra:
"So, this gift of truth and a never failing faith has divinely conferred upon Peter and his successors in this chair…"
 
This heresy on non-Catholics being allowed to receive Holy communion was also taught in Vatican II, as we covered already.
 
John Paul II also commented on this teaching with approval in Ut Unum Sint:
 
John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint, (#58), May 25, 1995:
"…By reason of the very close sacramental bonds between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church… the Catholic Church has often adopted and now adopts a milder policy, offering to all the means of salvation and an example of charity among Christians through participation in the sacraments and in other sacred functions and objects…There must never be a loss of appreciation for the ecclesiological implication of sharing in the sacraments, especially the Holy Eucharist."
 
He notes the "ecclesiological implication" of sharing in the sacraments with the "Orthodox."  His implication is that they are part of the same Church.
 
John Paul II taught that non-Catholic sects are a means of salvation
 
Following Vatican II, John Paul II also taught that non-Catholic sects are a means of salvation, which is heresy.
 
John Paul II's New Catechism, paragraph 819, speaking of non-Catholic churches:
"Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation…"
 
Pope Pius IV, profession of faith, Council of Trent, ex cathedra:
"This true Catholic faith, outside of which  no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…"
 
Pope Eugene IV, Bull Cantate Domino, 1441, ex cathedra:
The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.
 
Pope Innocent III, ex cathedra, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215
There is one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved.
 
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, 1302, ex cathedra
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
 
St. Irenaeus (130-202), Bishop and Martyr: "The Church is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account we are bound to avoid them . . . . We hear it declared of the unbelieving and the blinded of this world that they shall not inherit the world of life which is to come . . . . Resist them in defense of the only true and life giving faith, which the Church has received from the Apostles and imparted to her sons."
 
St. Augustine (354-430), Bishop and Doctor of the Church: "No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the Name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church."
 
St. Fulgentius (468-533), Bishop: "Most firmly hold and never doubt that not only pagans, but also Jews, all heretics, and all schismatics who finish this life outside of the Catholic Church, will go into eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
 
Pope St. Gregory the Great (590-604): "The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in Her and asserts that all who are outside of Her will not be saved."
 
St. Francis of Assisi (1182-1226): "All who have not believed that Jesus Christ was really the Son of God are doomed. Also, all who see the Sacrament of the Body of Christ and do not believe it is really the most holy Body and Blood of the Lord . . . these also are doomed!"
St. Thomas Aquinas (1226-1274), the Angelic Doctor: "There is no entering into salvation outside the Catholic Church, just as in the time of the Flood there was not salvation outside the Ark, which denotes the Church."
 
St. Louis Marie de Montfort (1673-1716): "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Anyone who resists this truth perishes."
 
St. Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621), Bishop and Doctor of the Church: "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol (Apostles Creed) we join together the Church with the remission of sins: 'I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins"...For this reason the Church is compared to the Ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church."
 
St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori (1696-1787), Bishop and Doctor of the Church: "All the misfortunes of unbelievers spring from too great an attachment to the things of life. This sickness of heart weakens and darkens the understanding, and leads to eternal ruin. If they would try to heal their hearts by purging them of their vices, they would soon receive light, which would show them the necessity of joining the Catholic Church, where alone is salvation. We should constantly thank the Lord for having granted us the gift of the true Faith, by associating us with the children of the Holy Catholic Church ... How many are the infidels, heretics, and schismatics who do not enjoy the happiness of the true Faith! Earth is full of them and they are all lost!"
 
Pope Pius XII (1939-1958): Some say they are not bound by the doctrine which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing. Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian Faith. These and like ERRORS, it is clear, have crept in among certain of our sons who are deceived by imprudent zeal for souls or by false science."
 
Athanasian Creed (500)"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith.  Which faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly…"
 
John Paul II taught that non-Catholic sects have Saints and Martyrs
 
John Paul II repeatedly taught that non-Catholic sects have saints and martyrs.
 
John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint (#84), May 25, 1995, Speaking of non-Catholic "Churches":
"Albeit in an invisible way, the communion between our Communities, even if still incomplete, is truly and solidly grounded in the full communion of the Saints – those who, at the end of a life faithful to Grace, are in communion with Christ in glory.  These Saints come from all the churches and ecclesial communities WHICH GAVE THEM ENTRANCE INTO THE COMMUNION OF SALVATION."
 
This is undeniable, clear-cut manifest heresy.  It is an article of Divine and Catholic Faith that those who are not in the Catholic Church, even if they shed blood in the name of Christ, cannot be saved.
 
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, ex cathedra:
"no one, even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remainedin the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."
 
This solemnly defined dogma of the Council of Florence was repeated by Pope Pius XI.  Pope Pius XI, Rappresentanti in terra (#99), Dec. 31, 1929:
"It stands out conspicuously in the lives of numerous saints, whom the Church and she alone produces, in whom is perfectly realized the purpose of Christian education…"
 
It's hard to imagine a more specific and explicit denial of this particular dogma than Ut Unum Sint #84 of John Paul II (quoted above).
 
Pope Gregory XVI,Summo Iugiter Studio, May 27, 1832:
"Finally some of these misguided people attempt to persuade themselves and others that men are not saved only in the Catholic religion, but that even heretics may attain eternal life."
 
Also, please notice that not only does the manifest heretice John Paul II declare in Ut Unum Sint #84 that "Saints" come from non-Catholic Churches (clear heresy), but he goes beyond that and declares that such non-Catholic sects "gave them" their salvation: "The churches and Eccesial Communities which gave them entrance into the communion of salvation."
 
John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint #83, May 25, 1995:
"All Christian Communities know that, thanks to the power given by the Spirit, obeying that will and overcoming those obstacles are not beyond their reach. All of them in fact have martyrs for the Chrisian faith."
 
John Paul II, speech to schismatic non-catholis Patriarch Karekin II, Nov. 9, 2000:
"Again, I thank Your Holiness for your willingness to be part of that liturgy in the person of your representative.  In effect, 'perhaps the most convincing form of ecuмenism is the ecuмenism of the Saints andof the martyrs.  The communion sanctorum speaks louder than the things which divide us."'"
 
John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint #1, May 25, 1995:
"The courageous witness of so many martyrs of our century, including members of Churches and Ecclesial Communities not in full communion with the Catholic Church, gives new vigor to theCouncil's call and reminds us of our duty to listen to and putinto practice its exhortation."
 
John Paul II, Salvifici Doloris (#22), Feb. 11, 1984:
"Christ's resurrection has revealed 'the glory of the future age' and, at the same time, has confirmed 'the boast of the cross': the glory that is hidden in the very suffering of Christ and which has been and is often mirrored in human suffering, as an expression of man's spiritual greatness. This glory must be acknowledged not only in the martyrs for the Faith but in many others also who, at times, even without belief in Christ, suffer and give their lives for the truth and for a just cause. In the sufferings of all of these pople the great dignity of man is strikingly confirmed."
 
John Paul II, Angelus Address, Sept. 19, 1993:
"In the unbounded space of Eastern Europe, the Orthodox Church too can well say at the end of this century what the Fathers of the Church had proclaimed about the initial spread of the Gospel:  'Sanguis martyrum – semen Christianorum' [the blood of martyrs is the seed of Christians].
 
John Paul II Tertio Millennio Adveniente (#37), Nov. 10, 1994:
"The Witness to Christ borne even to the shedding of blood has become a common inheritance of Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans and Protestants, as Pope Paul VI pointed out in his Homily for the Canonization of the Ugandan Martyrs."
 
John Paul II Tertio Millennio Adveniente (#37), Nov. 10, 1994:
"…the local Churches should do everything possible to ensure that the memory of those who have suffered martyrdom should be safeguarded, gathering the necessary docuмentation.  This gesture cannot fail to have an ecuмenical character and expression. Perhaps the most convincing form of ecuмenism is the ecuмenism of the Saints and martyrs. The communio sanctorum speaks louder than the things which divide us."
 
John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint (#84), May 25, 1995:
"In a theocentric vision, we Christians already have a common martyrology.  This includes the martyrs of our own century more numerous than one might think…"
 
John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint (#84), May 25, 1995:
"In the radiance of the 'heritage of the Saints' belonging to all Communities, the 'dialogue of conversion' toward full and visible unity thus appears as a source of hope.  The universal presence of the Saints is in in fact a proof of the transcendent power of the Spirit."
 
John Paul II, General Audience, May 12, 1999:
"The experience of martyrdom joined Christians of various denominations in Romania.  The Orthodox, Catholics, and Protestants gave a united witness to Christ by the sacrifice of their lives."
 
All of this is repeated, public and formal heresy.  And to think that some "traditionalists" have the audacity to assert that John Paul II never denied a dogma!  What an outrage and a lie!  This heresy alone, without even considering all the others, proves that he was not a Catholic.  It proves that John Paul II directly rejected the solemnly defined dogma (from the Council of Florence stated below) that non-Catholics cannot be saved even if they shed their blood for Christ.
 
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Papal Bull, Cantate Domino 1441, ex cathedra:
"The Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.
 
Pope Pelagius II, epistle (2) Dilectionis vestrae, 585:
"Those who were not willing to be at agreement in the Church of God, cannot remain with God; although given over to flames and fires, they burn or are thrown to wild beasts, they lay down their lives, there will not be for them that crown of faith, but the punishment of faithlessness, not a glorious result (of religious virtue, but the ruin of despair. Such a one can be slain, he cannot be crowned."
 
John Paul II approved of the practice of Altar Girls
 

John Paul II with altar girls
 
John Paul II also approved of the practice of altar girls, a practice that is rampant in Vatican II churches.  The practice of altar girls was condemned as evil by Pope Benedict XIV, Pope St. Gelasius and Pope Innocent IV.
 
Pops Benedict XIV, Encyclical, July 26, 1755:
"Pope Gelasius in his ninth letter to the bishops of Lucania condemned the evil practice which had been introduced of women serving the priest at the celebration of Mass. Since this abuse had spread to the Greeks, Innocent IV strictly forbade it in his letter to the bishop of Tusculum: 'Women should not dare to serve at the altar; they should be altogether refused this ministry.'  We too have forbidden this practice in the same words in Our oft-repeated constitution…"
 
John Paul II also "canonized" people who fully embraced the heresies of Vatican II, the New Mass and religious indifferentism.  This is impossible for a true pope to do, since canonizations by the popes are infallible.  This again serves to prove that John Paul II was not a true pope.
 
John Paul II also condemned the Crusades.  The Crusades were solemnly approved by four councils and more than 10 popes, including Pope Urban II, Pope Callistus II, Pope Alexander III, Pope Callistus III, Pope Clement V and others.
John Paul II awarded by Freemasons
 
 

 
In December of 1996, the Grand Orient Lodge of Italian Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ offered John Paul II II its greatest honor, the Order of Galilee, as an expression of thanks for the efforts that he made in support of Freemasonic ideals.  The representative of Italian Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ noted that John Paul II merited the honor because he had promoted "the values of universal Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ: fraternity, respect for the dignity of man, and the Spirit of tolerance, central points of the life of true masons."
 
John Paul II apologized to Red China
 
On October 24, 2001 John Paul II apologized to Red China.  That's correct: John Paul II apologized to the satanic Communist regime in China for the supposed wrongs of Catholics! He even praised the social justice of Red China. 
 
John Paul II October 24, 2001:
"The Catholic Church for her part regards with respect this impressive thrust and far-sighted planning…The Church has very much at heart the values and objectives which are of primary importance also to modern China: solidarity, peace, social justice…
 
Social justice in China includes a one-child-per-family policy, which is imposed by forced abortion and contraception.  The Chinese Government slaughters millions of children every year, in addition to imprisoning, torturing and murdering Catholics.
 
John Paul II stated that the Catholic Church and China are two ancient institutions "not in opposition to one another."  To praise the social justice of Communist China is beyond heresy; in satanic.
 
John Paul II promoted the theory of evolution
 
On October 22, 1996, John Paul II declared that evolution is "more than a mere hypothesis."
 
This indicated that he considered evolution to be true.
 
John Paul II said that Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory are not actual places
 
In a series of speeches in the summer of 1999, reported in the official Vatican newspaper, John Paul II said that Heaven, Hell and Purgatory are not actual places.  At his general audience on July 21, 1999, John Paul II said that Heaven is not an actual place.
 
On July 28, 1999, John Paul II said:
"it is precisely this tragic situation that Christian doctrine explains when it speaks of the eternal damnation of Hell. It is not a punishment imposed externally by God but a development of premises already set by people in this life."
 
"By using images, the New Testament presents the place destined for evil doers as a fiery furnace, where people will 'weep and gnash their teeth'…  The images of hell that sacred Scripture presents to us must be correctly interpreted.  They show the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God.  Rather than a place, Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life enjoy."
 
"Eternal damnation remains a real possibility, but we're not granted without special Divine revelation, the knowledge of whether all or which human beings are effectively involved in.  The thought of Hell  - and even less the improper use of Biblical images – must not create anxiety or despair, but is a necessary and healthy reminder of freedom within the proclamation that the risen Jesus has conquered Satan, giving us the Spirit of God who makes us cry 'Abba Father!'" 
 
This speech of John Paul II in itself constitutes formal heresy.  He says we don't know where human beings are damned.  It's a divinely revealed truth of the gospel that human beings are involved in eternal damnation, as Jesus says repeatedly.  For instance:
 
Matthew 13:39-42 "Even as cockle therefore is gathered up and burned with fire: so shall it be at the end of the world.  The Son of man shall send his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all scandals, and them that work iniquity.  And shall cast them into the furnace of fire where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
 
In a brief audience in Polish to fellow countrymen, John Paul II recalled the teaching of a heretic Hans Urs von Balthasar, that "There is a hell, but it could be empty. "
 
On August 4, 1999, John Paul II said that purgatory is not an actual place
 
Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, Session 25, Dec. 3-4, 1563: "As the Catholic Church, instructed by the Holy Spirit, has taught from Holy Scripture and the ancient tradition of the fathers in its councils and most recently in this ecuмenical synod that Purgatory exits, and that  the souls detained there are helped by the prayers of the faithful and most of all by the acceptable sacrifice of the altar."
 
At the Assisi meeting of January 24, 2002 , John Paul II issued "the Decalogue of the Assisi."  The word Decalogue means "the 10 commandments."
 
John Paul II, May 21, 2002:
"The to help create a world of greater justice and solidarity, take to heart the need to promote the 'Decalogue of the Assisi,' proclaimed at the day of prayer for peace last 24 January."
 
So John Paul II was saying that people need to proclaim the new 10 commandments that he issued at Assisi.
 
John Paul II changed the Rosary
 

 
John Paul II also changed the rosary.  On October 2002, John Paul II added five new mysteries to the rosary, called "the Mysteries of Light."  In the docuмent which promulgated the mysteries of light John Paul II stated:
 
"Anyone who contemplates Christ through the various stages of his life cannot fail to perceive in him the truth about man."
 
When we contemplate the mysteries of Christ, we don't perceive in him the truth about man.  John Paul II said this because he taught that man is God and specifically, that the truth about man is that he is Jesus Christ.
 
John Paul II taught that man is Christ
 
John Paul II, Very First Homily, Forever Marking the Beginning of his Pastoral Ministry, Sunday, Oct. 22, 1978:
"'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God' (Matt 16:16) These words were spoken by Simon, Son of Jonah, in the district of Caesarea Philippi… These words mark the beginning of Peter's mission in the history of salvation…
 
"On this day and in this place these same words must again be uttered and listened to: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God' Yes, Brothers and sons and daughters, these words first of all… please listen once again, today, in this sacred place, to the words uttered by Simon Peter.  In those words is the faith of the ChurchIn those same words is the new truth, in deed, the ultimate and definitive truth about man: the Son of the living God – 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
 
In his first ever homily as "pope" in 1978, in the very speech which will forever mark the beginning of his pastoral ministry, Sunday, Oct. 22, 1978, John Paul II proclaimed to the world that MAN is the Christ, the Son of the Living God of Matthew 16:16! He even said that this is a "new truth" – a new truth which he was here to reveal.  "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God," spoken by St. Peter about our Lord Jesus Christ, are the words which describe the truth about man, according to John Paul II.  This is extremely significant, for it proves that Our Lady's words at La Salette have come true.
 
Our Lady of La Salette, Sept 19, 1846:
"Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the anti-Christ… the Church will be in eclipse."
 
In fact, John Paul II preached that man is Christ in many ways.  Sometimes it was very subtle and clever, at other times it was very obvious and bold. This is covered in detail at the end of this book, but here are just a few quotes:
 
John Paul II, General Audience, Feb. 22, 1984:
"…so that consciences can be freed in the full truth of man, who is Christ, 'peace and mercy' for everyone."
 
John Paul II, Homily, Dec. 17, 1991:
"Dear brothers and sisters, look to Christ, the Truth about man…"
 
John Paul II, Homily, Dec. 10, 1989:
"…make straight the way of the Lord and of man…"
 
John Paul II, Homily, August 10, 1985:
"Today, in consecrating your cathedral, we ardently desire that it become a 'true temple of God and man…'"
 
John Paul II, Dec. 25, 1978:
"Christmas is the feast of man."
 
John Paul II, Dec. 25, 2001:
"…let us pause in adoration in the cave, and gaze upon the Newborn Redeemer.  In him we can recognize the face of every little child who is born…"
 
John Paul II, Dec. 25, 1985:
"What is Grace? Grace is
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: harris on October 25, 2019, 09:46:09 PM

John Paul II, Dec. 25, 1985:
"What is Grace? Grace is precisely the manifestation of God… Grace is God as "our Father."  It is the Son of God… It is the Holy Spirit… Grace is, also, man…"
 
John Paul II, March 31, 1991:
"Let respect for man be total… Every offense against the person is an offense against God…"
 
John Paul II, Jan. 24, 2002:
"To offend against man is, most certainly, to offend against God."
 
John Paul II, Address to Ambassador of Tunisia, May 27, 2004, p. 8: "…For its part, the modest Catholic community that lives in Tunisia has no other ambition than to witness to the dignity of man…"
 
The "Catholic community" in Tunisia has no other ambition than to witness to the dignity of man?  By such a statement John Paul II was again indicating that the “Catholic” community in Tunisia has no desire to convert other non-Catholics, but only to witness to the dignity of man.
 
John Paul II, Homily, June 24, 1988:
“...God wishes to encounter in man the whole of creation."
 
This means that in man one can find the whole of creation.
 
Antipope John Paul II, Address to
Missionaries of Precious Blood, September 14, 2001:
“And at the moment of Easter this joy came to its fullness as the light of divine glory shone on the face of the Risen Lord, whose wounds shine forever like the Sun. This is the truth of who you are, dear Brothers…"
 
John Paul II, Redemptor Hominis, March 4, 1979:
“In reality, the name for that deep amazement at man's worth and dignity is the gospel.  That is to say: The good news.  It is also called Christianity.
.”
The Gospel is Jesus Christ (His Life and Teaching); it's the religion of faith and morals He revealed to the world.  To say that the Gospel, the Good News and Christianity are the "deep amazement at man" is to equate man with Jesus Christ; but this is exactly why John Paul II said it and what he was doing.
 
Galatians Chapter 1:8:
“But thought we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."
 
John Paul II was anathema. He preached a new Gospel, not of Jesus Christ, but of man in the place of Christ – the Gospel of Antichrist.
 
Pope Pius X, E Supremi Apostolatus, Oct. 4, 1903:
“...the distinguishing mark of Antichrist, man has with infinite temerity put himself in the place of God…"
 
 
John Paul II carrying the “Broken Cross”
 

 
Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI have carried a cross that very few have understood – the sinister bent or broken cross on which the Body of Christ is displayed as a repulsive and distorted figure. This bent or broken cross was used by black magicians and sorcerers in the sixth century to represent the Biblical term “mark of the beast.” Satanists in the fifth and sixth centuries, as well as black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages (476-1453), used such figurines to represent their hatred for Christianity. The fact that the broken cross was used for occult purposes can be seen in the Museum of Witchcraft in Bayonne, France.
 
Concluding Points about John Paul II
 
So the question that everyone professing to be Catholic must ask himself is this: was John Paul II the head of the Catholic Church? Or was John Paul II part of a different religion? If John Paul II was part of a different religion – and who would dare deny this in light of the undeniable and overwhelming evidence we have just presented? –
then he could not have been the head of the Catholic Church.
 
St. Francis De Sales, Doctor of the Church: “It would indeed be one of the strangest monsters that could be seen – if the head of the Church were not of the Church.”
 
We have proven beyond doubt that John Paul II was a manifest heretic. Since he was a heretic, he could not have been a validly elected pope.  He was a non-Catholic antipope.
 
As quoted already, Pope Paul IV solemnly taught in his Feb. 15, 1559 Bull, cuм ex Apostolatus officio, that it is impossible for a heretic to be a validly elected pope
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: poche on October 25, 2019, 11:09:33 PM


Im afraid you wouldn't get much of a discussion from such a topic. I'm a simple man who has committed simple sins. I personally think it'd be much more interesting to discuss the sins of a man who was declared a saint under questionable circuмstances (in this humble sinners opinion) as I've pointed out in the original post. Tell you what though I'll start keeping a journal of all my sins and should I ever be put into a position where I am eligible for sainthood you can read that to your hearts content.
You may be a "simple man" who has committed "simple sins.' But soliciting "dirt" on the Holy Father is a grave sin. Just as lying is a sin so is detraction.   
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: cassini on October 26, 2019, 01:02:13 PM
Concluding Points about John Paul II
 
So the question that everyone professing to be Catholic must ask himself is this: was John Paul II the head of the Catholic Church? Or was John Paul II part of a different religion? If John Paul II was part of a different religion – and who would dare deny this in light of the undeniable and overwhelming evidence we have just presented? –
then he could not have been the head of the Catholic Church.
 
St. Francis De Sales, Doctor of the Church: “It would indeed be one of the strangest monsters that could be seen – if the head of the Church were not of the Church.”
 
We have proven beyond doubt that John Paul II was a manifest heretic. Since he was a heretic, he could not have been a validly elected pope.  He was a non-Catholic antipope.
 
As quoted already, Pope Paul IV solemnly taught in his Feb. 15, 1559 Bull, cuм ex Apostolatus officio, that it is impossible for a heretic to be a validly elected pope

The problem is that the same Catholic Church teaches this conclusion, whether or not a pope is a pope or an anti-pope can only be decided by the Church itself, not individuals.

Does anyone know the Church's teaching on saints? Are the flock obliged to recognise and acknowledge all saints canonised by popes? If so, I am in trouble, for I will never refer to any post Vatican II saints as saints, nor hold them as worthy of being a Catholic saint. This may well get me into trouble. They may be in Heaven, but they are not men and women I consider examples of saints to live up to.

Having lived from the 1940s when Catholicism was strong and then witnessed the decline in belief after Vatican Ii, I am one of those who have seen what Catholicism told me I would never see, that is, apostasy coming from Rome by way of popes. I tell you, keeping the faith after seeing and living through what we have from Vatican II to the Amazon synod just finished, is as great a test as any had to endure in the last 2019 years. At no time in my life as a traditional Catholic did I ever think God could allow popes of His Church to lead the flock into apathy and disbelief. I was taught that it is the Devil who does that from outside the Church. Today, it is Peter and his Apostles who are leading the flock into apostasy, a scenario I never thought was possible as a Catholic. But we must keep faith in the Church and this has to be the ultimate test.

But back to Pope John Paul II's errors. As you know, JPII is known as a great philosopher. All good Modernists have to be good philosophers so they can hide their modernism in a sea of words conjured up in philosophical nonsense. One of the first things he did when made pope was to commission an investigation into the Galileo case. This followed Vatican II's Gaudium et Spes that said:

‘The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are. We cannot but deplore certain attitudes (not unknown among Christians) deriving from a short-sighted view of the rightful autonomy of science; they have occasioned conflict and controversy and have misled many into opposing faith and science.’ --- Gaudium et spes, # 36.

In other words, Pope Paul V, Pope Urban VIII, St Robert Bellarmine and all the hierarchy of the Holy Office of 1616 and 1633 were ignorant fundamentalists who didn't know their science or how to interpret the Scriptures properly. They didn't know science has AUTONOMY over metaphysics and the biblical interpretation of ALL the Fathers. But more than that, for they claim God was supposedly leading the heretics who opposed the interpretation defended by the above churchmen.

Anyhow, in his address after the report, the philosopher JPII said the following:

(11) In Galileo’s time, to depict the world as lacking an absolute physical reference point was, so to speak, inconceivable. And since the cosmos, as it was then known, was contained within the solar system alone, this reference point could only be situated in the Earth or the sun. Today, after Einstein and within the perspective of contemporary cosmology neither of these two reference points have the importance they once had. This observation, it goes without saying, is not directed against the validity of Galileo's position in the debate; it is only meant to show that often, beyond two partial and contrasting perceptions, there exists a wider perception which includes them and goes beyond both of them…
(13) What is important in a scientific or philosophic theory is above all that it should be true or, at least, seriously and solidly grounded. And the purpose of your Academy is precisely to discern and to make known, in the present state of science and within its proper limits, what can be regarded as an acquired truth or at least as enjoying such a degree of probability that it would be imprudent and unreasonable to reject it. In this way unnecessary conflicts can be avoided.’ --- Pope John Paul II.

Here above we see the Pope refers to Einstein's relativity, where all now accept science cannot decide if the universe is geocentric or heliocentric. Yet up to then the Commission's report said heliocentrism was proven by science and scientists that Vatican II said were guided by the hand of God and the geocentric interpretation of Scripture was proven false. But then the great philosopher tries to pull the woll over the eyes of all in Church and State by saying: "This observation (relativity, no proof for H) it goers without saying, is not directed against the validity of Galileo's popsition in the debate."

And what was Galileo's position? That the Bible should be read heliocentrically, and the commission said he was proven right. Now JPII said Relativity, wherein heliocentrism cannot be proven, is not against Galileo's position that heliocentrism was proven so the truth of science and Scripture. And that dear readers, is how JPII made the Catholic faith comply with false science
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Bonaventure on October 26, 2019, 01:33:45 PM
... I will never refer to any post Vatican II saints as saints, nor hold them as worthy of being a Catholic saint.

What an absolute shame as this precludes recognizing Padre Pio.   

Your pride runs deep.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Mark 79 on October 26, 2019, 09:43:57 PM
Pictures that go with this docuмent did not copy.  This was copied from the internet here:
http://romancatholicfaith.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/4/7/29473625/the_scandals_and_heresies_of_antipope_john_paul_ii.pdf (http://romancatholicfaith.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/4/7/29473625/the_scandals_and_heresies_of_antipope_john_paul_ii.pdf)


 
John Paul II taught universal salvation, that all men will be saved

The only difficulty in discussing the heresies of John Paul II is deciding where to begin. His heresies are so numerous that one is almost overwhelmed with the decision of where to start. A good place to begin is his consistent teaching of universal salvation. The idea that all men are saved is contrary to the clear words of the Gospel and numerous Catholic dogmas, especially the dogmas that Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and that all who die in original sin or mortal sin cannot be saved.…
Kudos for that collection of quotes.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: donkath on October 27, 2019, 02:28:55 AM
Quote
He was a non-Catholic antipope.


He was never a non-Catholic neither in life nor in death.

A Catholic is not free to believe what he likes.   I was always taught that Baptism leaves an indelible
(synonyms:ineradicable, inerasable, ineffaceable, unexpungeable, indestructible, permanent, lasting, persisting, enduring, stubborn, ingrained, unfading, imperishable; )

imperishable mark on the soul   I believe what the Church teaches full stop.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 27, 2019, 10:29:05 AM

He was never a non-Catholic neither in life nor in death.

A Catholic is not free to believe what he likes.   I was always taught that Baptism leaves an indelible
(synonyms:ineradicable, inerasable, ineffaceable, unexpungeable, indestructible, permanent, lasting, persisting, enduring, stubborn, ingrained, unfading, imperishable; )

imperishable mark on the soul   I believe what the Church teaches full stop.

This is the one grave error made by Father Wathen.  Those who have separated from membership in the Church through heresy or apostasy or schism ... they are no longer considered "Catholic".  As St. Thomas explicitly taught, the character of Baptism is not longer a sign of what they are but of what they were, or what they could have been in potency.  Father Wathen embraced this error as an attempt to reject sedevacantism.

The evidence of JP2's heresy is even more voluminous than that of Bergoglio.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: donkath on October 27, 2019, 10:32:44 AM
This is the one grave error made by Father Wathen.  Those who have separated from membership in the Church through heresy or apostasy or schism ... they are no longer considered "Catholic".  As St. Thomas explicitly taught, the character of Baptism is not longer a sign of what they are but of what they were, or what they could have been in potency.  Father Wathen embraced this error as an attempt to reject sedevacantism.

The evidence of JP2's heresy is even more voluminous than that of Bergoglio.


But doesn't the Church's teaching override the opinion even of the good St. Thomas?
..
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Ladislaus on October 27, 2019, 10:45:06 AM

But doesn't the Church's teaching override the opinion even of the good St. Thomas?
..

What Catholic teaching?  It has NEVER been taught by the Church that once someone is baptized, he's a Catholic forever.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Stubborn on October 27, 2019, 10:53:14 AM
This is the one grave error made by Father Wathen.  Those who have separated from membership in the Church through heresy or apostasy or schism ... they are no longer considered "Catholic".  As St. Thomas explicitly taught, the character of Baptism is not longer a sign of what they are but of what they were, or what they could have been in potency.  Father Wathen embraced this error as an attempt to reject sedevacantism.

The evidence of JP2's heresy is even more voluminous than that of Bergoglio.
He did not need that "error" to reject sedeism but it certainly is a sticking point for sedes.

 If a Catholic falls into heresy, or schism, or apostasy and dies, that person will be judged as a Catholic who died in that/those mortal sin(s), same as a Catholic who died in mortal sin, and will suffer as a Catholic who died in mortal sin forever in hell. Which is to say that their sufferings will be worse then those who died non-Catholic in the same mortal sins.

As Trent's catechsm teaches: "Heretics and schismatics are excluded from the Church, because they have separated from her and belong to her only as deserters belong to the army from which they have deserted". Although they belong to her only as deserters, the catechism says they still belong to her - in spite of their trying to get out of it.

OTOH, if they want to be absolved of those sins while they're still living, all they need to do is the same thing any other penitent member of the Church does, which is go to confession, a privilege enjoyed only by members of the Church.  

Title: Re: JPII
Post by: dymphnaw on October 27, 2019, 11:19:53 AM
How old are you and even if you are under 25 have you never used Google or spoken to a Catholic adult in real life?  Can you not   look up Assisi and the rumors about JPIIs mother's alleged heritage on your own?
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: donkath on October 27, 2019, 09:47:58 PM

What Catholic teaching?  It has NEVER been taught by the Church that once someone is baptized, he's a Catholic forever.
The following is the best definition I can find of what I was taught as a child.  It has nothing to do with Fr. Wathen. I am not defending him.  I am defending the ingrained faith that I was taught as a child and which I cannot disbelieve.  Since Baptism imprints an indelible mark in my immortal soul.   If it cannot be removed then neither can my Catholicity.

You cannot say dogmatically that Fr. Wathen was wrong - you can only say that one of you is wrong - you or him.  

Baptism and confirmation can only be received once because they leave an indelible (permanent) mark on the soul. If that mark is already present, it is nonsensical to receive the sacrament again since there is nothing for it to do (remember, Sacraments effect what they signify - they aren’t just symbolic).

Holy Orders also imprints an indelible mark, but there are three levels in the Sacrament that are received subsequently. So, while the ordination to the Diaconate, priesthood, and episcopate can be received only once each, they can all three be received, and all three are properly Holy Orders.
Matrimony can, sacramentally, be received an infinite number of times, but, as long as the bond of a previous marriage exists, it is impossible (note, the problem is not that it is forbidden, but impossible). So, if one were to have the misfortune of losing multiple spouses to death, one could receive the sacrament multiple times.

254. (Penny Catechism)
A character is a mark or a seal on the soul which cannot be effaced, and therefore the Sacrament conferring it may not be repeated.

I am not a scholar and I respect the work and effort several of you have put into studying the theologians, but to ordinary pewsitters like me, you rarely agree, and you frequently insult one another.    You seem to me to have faith in words, and if the words of theologians do not cover what can only be understood with the gift of Understanding then you opt for the former.

PS.  The above post by Stubborn expresses it very well.
Title: Re: JPII
Post by: Nadir on October 27, 2019, 09:56:01 PM
How old are you and even if you are under 25 have you never used Google or spoken to a Catholic adult in real life?  Can you not   look up Assisi and the rumors about JPIIs mother's alleged heritage on your own?
No need to be snarky! :fryingpan: