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Offline dymphnaw

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Re: JPII
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2019, 11:19:53 AM »
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    • How old are you and even if you are under 25 have you never used Google or spoken to a Catholic adult in real life?  Can you not   look up Assisi and the rumors about JPIIs mother's alleged heritage on your own?
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    Re: JPII
    « Reply #46 on: October 27, 2019, 09:47:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 27, 2019, 10:45:06 AM

    What Catholic teaching?  It has NEVER been taught by the Church that once someone is baptized, he's a Catholic forever.
    The following is the best definition I can find of what I was taught as a child.  It has nothing to do with Fr. Wathen. I am not defending him.  I am defending the ingrained faith that I was taught as a child and which I cannot disbelieve.  Since Baptism imprints an indelible mark in my immortal soul.   If it cannot be removed then neither can my Catholicity.

    You cannot say dogmatically that Fr. Wathen was wrong - you can only say that one of you is wrong - you or him.  

    Baptism and confirmation can only be received once because they leave an indelible (permanent) mark on the soul. If that mark is already present, it is nonsensical to receive the sacrament again since there is nothing for it to do (remember, Sacraments effect what they signify - they aren’t just symbolic).

    Holy Orders also imprints an indelible mark, but there are three levels in the Sacrament that are received subsequently. So, while the ordination to the Diaconate, priesthood, and episcopate can be received only once each, they can all three be received, and all three are properly Holy Orders.
    Matrimony can, sacramentally, be received an infinite number of times, but, as long as the bond of a previous marriage exists, it is impossible (note, the problem is not that it is forbidden, but impossible). So, if one were to have the misfortune of losing multiple spouses to death, one could receive the sacrament multiple times.

    254. (Penny Catechism)
    A character is a mark or a seal on the soul which cannot be effaced, and therefore the Sacrament conferring it may not be repeated.

    I am not a scholar and I respect the work and effort several of you have put into studying the theologians, but to ordinary pewsitters like me, you rarely agree, and you frequently insult one another.    You seem to me to have faith in words, and if the words of theologians do not cover what can only be understood with the gift of Understanding then you opt for the former.

    PS.  The above post by Stubborn expresses it very well.
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    Re: JPII
    « Reply #47 on: October 27, 2019, 09:56:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: dymphnaw on October 27, 2019, 11:19:53 AM
    How old are you and even if you are under 25 have you never used Google or spoken to a Catholic adult in real life?  Can you not   look up Assisi and the rumors about JPIIs mother's alleged heritage on your own?
    No need to be snarky! :fryingpan:
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