Author Topic: John Vennari on the Doctrinal Preamble (Read 10096 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2011, 08:10:18 PM »

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I'm not convinced BXVI is up to no good.

This is a letter explaining his actions in which he represents himself as the average person sees him, as someone who is very conservative, authentically Catholic, keeping firm to the teachings of the Church. That's what your typical conservative in the pew believed until very recently. Probably most still do believe it, those who still have the Faith.

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I dunno. I've always thought the Society can do more good after a reconciliation, at the very least for the fact the stigma will be lifted and some who won't send their children to their schools now, will then feel free to do so. And certainly their parishes will grow.

Everything that Archbishop Lefebvre worked for will be under the control of modernists.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2011, 08:24:10 PM »

One of the main problems with the SSPX is that it's totalitarian in a way the Church never was. A single bishop without a see enforces public conformity on all sorts of issues on which Catholic teaching is not particularly cut and dried - otherwise you're OUT. Priests are simply thrown out. Now the Church was never like that. When decisions on controversies were made - they were made with real authority.

The machiavellian Bishop Fellay has a tight grip on the Society. It's up to the good priests to stand up to him when the time comes. Many have.

Lay people may have to take extraordinary actions if things get too far out of hand.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2011, 08:35:55 PM »

The tree of arrogance yields very bitter fruits indeed, I wouldn't want to have to eat them. I don't think some of these characters understand what kind of supper they're laying out in front of themselves.

TKGS · « **Reply #23 on:** September 21, 2011, 10:31:13 PM »

I happen to believe the Holy See currently vacant, so those who desire may skip my comments.

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Mr. Vennari has identified a long list of concerns, a very long list. It would take me a long time to add to this list if it was even possible for me to do so. Mr. Vennari was able to come up with these concerns even though he is, as is the rest of the world, ignorant of the contents of the "Preamble". Imagine what he could have suggested had he known what is in that "confidential docuмent". I hope his comments are taken into consideration by the SSPX leadership council.

The SSPX leadership does not seem to trust anyone except its own inner circle and they seem to think that they must do everything in secret when they deal with Rome. I don't know what is going to happen. I've heard a number of SSPX priests say that there won't be any compromise by the bishop, but they don't seem to know what will happen either.

Telesphorus has a good insight about how the Society seems to work. Whether it is the best way to operate or not is open to debate. But it does lead to a lot of concern on the part of a great many people and it limits the advice that open communication can generate. On the other hand, complete openness could generate a lot of unsolicited advice that could cause problems, but it would stop rumors.

What causes the trepidation on the part of so many is Bishop Fellay's track record--e.g., concerning expulsion of priests, treatment of Bishop Williamson, the excising of some of Archbishop Lefebvre's online archive, and comments that sound suspiciously like the Conciliar church (e.g., Jews as elder brothers, etc.).

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #24 on:** September 21, 2011, 10:42:51 PM »

I completely agree, TKGS.