Caminus said: This refers to the Church's divine constitution, Her holiness in doctrine, in the Sacraments, in Her intrinsic, mystical relation with Our Lord Jesus Christ. On the other hand, this does not prevent individual members from becoming sinners and marring the Church according to Her human element.
Holiness in doctrine, you mean such as saying that false religions have seeds of the Word?
Holiness in the sacraments, you mean in the bastardized and invalid New Rite of Consecration? Or how about the Mass without any consecration
at all entirely approved of by JPII? I won't speak about the "for all" in the Novus Ordo Mass because you will say that it isn't the official Novus Ordo Mass, and apparently you think that the true Church is kept alive by a rubric preserved in glass somewhere that is never used...
As for individual members being "sinners," it is now nigh-on two years since I've been here that you refuse to address the real issue which is that heretics are not just sinners, but non-Catholics. They are not members of the Church. What does it say about you that you are TRYING to confuse people, to make them equate those who commit mortal sins of the flesh or whatever, with heretics? You are intellectually dishonest. You know very well that mortal sinners are dead members of the Church; and heretics are not in the Church at all. But in your posts, you blur the difference -- now why would someone who wants the truth do that, hm? The irony of you always talking about distinctions is so very rich... You are the last person who should accuse anyone else of not making distinctions. All I can say is that for someone who wants to be the lay version of Garrigou-Lagrange you certainly aren't very rigorous in your arguments, relying on a bunch of sophistry and hedging.
If a heretic could be Pope, when the Holy Ghost has promised the Pope would be infallible on faith and morals, how would we ever know where the truth is? If a Pope could disfigure the Deposit of Faith, Christ's Church has no meaning, no sense. Your "Peter" doesn't have the keys; he is a latchkey kid whose mommy is Bishop Fellay, and who can have his privileges -- like infallibility -- revoked for bad behavior, then given back to him when he's good... Which in effect makes this totally random out-of-nowhere figure Bishop Fellay the Pope... He is the one who decides when what the Pope says is true or not, instead of God. Everything is backwards; we can no longer trust the Pope to teach us correctly on faith and morals, we just pick and choose what we like among his various teachings. This is what you call a rock? It's more like moldy Swiss cheese.
The logical consequence of the SSPX position is basically a subtle form of Old Catholicism -- you have, in effect, established a democratic form of Church government and effaced the papacy. It's yet another form of revolution, naturalizing what is supernatural, taking the Holy Ghost's supernatural protection of the Pope and replacing it with a purely natural and man-made ( and thus precarious and doomed ) protection in the form of Bishop Fellay.